*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

I don't have that amount of time. I will have to make a decision in maybe 2 - 3 weeks at most. Had I known that I would have to wait 4 months AFTER the 9900k was announced I would have planned accordingly !

 

Okay....

Here is some info on the current state of affairs...

The P870TMx is EOL, once supplies are gone they are gone. There won't be a new model replacing it anytime soon, so I would not be waiting if you intend on running one.

I am currently testing the RC1 Prema Mod and things are finally working as intended. As usual Clevo's own code is simply broken.
(This Mod is also supporting all 6, 7, 8 and 9th-gen CPUs, but g-sync only for 8 and 9 IIRC).

That's about all I can say for now.

 

Makes me wonder if 2080 MXM will even have an SLI connector then.

Any info on why it was EOL'd?

 

There will be no SLi support from Clevo in the P870 for the next gen NVIDIA GPU’s.

Given that, Clevo decided to EOL it and just do the P775.

Their decision...not ours.

 

If there's not even an SLI connector I guess its RIP SLI even with firmware mods

I wonder how MSI will be doing this lol

 

Interesting, what Notebook brand will support SLI on next gen of Nvidia video cards? It seems this is my first and also last Clevo

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It is unlikely that anyone will be able to support a next gen 70 or 80 series GPU in SLi.

 

The desktop RTX 2070 doesn’t support SLI anyway, so the mobile version not supporting it either was to be expected. It’s a bit disappointing that the mobile RTX 2080 also won’t support SLI, but I guess the increase in die size and TDP was too much to overcome.

 

This means the 18 inch Msibook will just be a bigger sized Jokebook than it's sister GT75. Although MSI can offer cards in different design + (TDP)

 

My understanding is that Clevo confirmed they won't support SLI .. other brands might find the way to give us SLI RTX 2080

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If they do, they will likely be using a less performant version of the 2080.

 

Wow... just... wow. What truly horrible and tragic news. The industry's last and only respectable high performance notebook (and the only remaining legitimate DTR notebook) left on the face of the earth, and the only model left that I even remotely considered to be worth buying is no more.

Too bad Clevo is not willing to continue a single GPU version of the P870, because the P7XX just flat-out doesn't cut it in chassis design or cooling. Everything about the P870 product design was superior.

The smarter move would have been to discontinue production of the P775 space heater and offer only the P870 with single GPU and a full SLI-sized vapor chamber if they are no longer supporting SLI. They could have also used the extra space in the chassis to take the CPU cooling over the top.

Hopefully, a truly worthy successor to the P870 will eventually surface, but the likelihood of that actually happening is probably at or near a zero percent chance, especially considering how hopelessly lame and disgusting all of Clevo's turdbook-loving competitors are.

The industry's last soldier that was left standing is dead now.

 

We will still have the EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1 w/ Intel® Core™ i9-9900K and a single next gen NVIDIA GPU with the SLi Vapor Chamber heat sink for a while, but once they are gone, we will have a day (er...week/month/years!) of mourning.

 

Maybe Clevo has a new secret weapon nobody knows about yet and will surprise us with something better. I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where the P775 becomes their flagship 17-inch product by default.

 

M18xR2 [RIP 2013] - last of it's kind to sport a extreme mobile CPU & dual mobile SLI GPUs in a form factor/design that is still unrivaled (All glass screen with decently thin bezels for its time, anodized aluminum body, etc.)

P570WM [RIP 2015] - last of it's kind to hold a HEDT CPU and dual mobile SLI GPUs (12-Core Xeon or 8-Core unlocked Xeon + 980M SLI)

P870TM1 [RIP 2019] - last of it's kind to hold a mainstream 8-core desktop CPU and dual desktop class GPUs in SLI (i9-9900K + 1080 SLI)

I hope Clevo reconsiders in future or we find a way to get 2080 SLI working.

 

As long as the single gpu solution will offer up to RTX Ti level power then I think it's okay for now to ditch the sli config. But I wonder how much that would cost

 

Called it

 

My condolences to the few of us who were hoping for a new flagship from Clevo that would carried the P870 legacy...

 

It is, indeed, a deadly trend you have observed. We can blame the OEM (appropriately), but the bar being set low by consumers also has something to do with it.

Everything good and right in the world gets ruined by idiots that don't care about what is good and right, LOL.

It's a pretty sorry situation when an inferior product gets promoted to the top shelf without any associated merit or basis for it other than the manufacturer just not giving a rat's ass and killing their the industry's best product

 

The issue is not single GPU. The issue is the overall product quality of the P870 being notably superior as well as the fact that a single 2080 is weaker than 1080 SLI. So, the end result is a downgraded product by every possible measurement becomes the best offering. That blows.

 

SLI is now being done over NVlink so there is the research into a high density connector for that.

 

Was going to say the same thing. It's NVLink not SLI

Side note:
Still not getting rid of my EVOC! That means no one will be coming close any time soon.

 

Are you gonna play with 2080 in your P870TM1?

Kinda wish Clevo went for 2080Ti in the P870TM1 if we were gonna get stuck with single GPU.

 

I would sure like to!

 

That would have required Nvidia letting them.

 

NVIDIA is, indeed, the party most responsible for the degradation of high-end notebook graphics. Clevo (and other OEMs) cannot sell anything that NVIDIA will not allow them to buy/license. They hold all the cards and they don't care what anyone else thinks about anything if they are not going to make easy money off the deal. The day they stopped supporting MXM was our first clue that their intentions are less than honorable. The technology ecosystem is being re-engineered to support the greed of the machine and their lust for control, and they're starting with notebooks because that's where the sales volume is the greatest and that market is the easiest for them to manipulate. Expectations and end-user technical skills (in terms of the majority) are at their lowest.

 

Not only have P870 series models better cooling and better performance than 775. The whole design is a lot more appealing. Both outside and inside.

Give it a couple of quarters and see what’s coming.

775 need a fully re-design shall this be Clevo’s flagship. Both for cooling and internal design. As well the outside looks. Today’s model ain’t good enough.

 

There is always room for change in Clevo systems.

 

Honestly it's hard to assign the full
100% of blame to them (maybe just 99% ); to be fair they're a product of the system they live and breathe in, and they exist in an environment in which the effective endgame of life is perceived as essentially you ruthlessly attain as much money and power as you can, not just in spite of everyone else, but intentionally at everyone else's expense.

Not making an excuse for it, as we all know there's nothing inherently evil about capitalism, and good morals/ethics can go hand in hand just fine with successful business, and there's a fine line between being a cutthroat and a realist, but of course the system does just happen to reward being a total dick.

Well, after all we're talking about a company that literally has envy as their namesake:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invidia

No surprise that the company voted last year as top in the world is basically the physical manifestation of greed and envy.

 

Don't forget green as the colour too

 

. I'm also anticipating what Clevo and HID can do with the 9900k in a 17 inch chassis. I already know that 9900k is gonna have to be delidded to keep it cool.

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Even if they made the bottom cover around 1/4 taller for that much more room, magic can happen with that tiny bit of extra space.
If I can get verification that my Bios would support the new CPU I would already be working up a new shroud/fan housing and would start 3d printing all of us some once i got the flow right. As a matter of fact anyone in the US with a P870 care to test a few things for me ? @Mr. Fox or @Meaker@Sager .

 

GOOD NEWs ! the Beast (P870TM) is back up with the 9900K at . I would love to get some more advice though before pulling the trigger

• Is the DEFAULT cable for the 780W power connecter still very small or longer. Mr Fox says it is smaller in a video :
• Is it a good idea to get the silicon lottery binned 9900k or should I go with with:
  • HIDevolution Delidded - Unlocked, Undervolted and Overclocked 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K 8 Core 16 Thread Processor, 4.3 - 5.0 GHz
• Is there an HID bottom panel mod for P870TM similar to the one mentioned in ULTRA MALE's post below ? If so would love to get it @Donald@HIDevolution
  
• I bought Ram modules on my own during black friday. Wondering if I will get any compatibility issues with it. What I got is :
  
  G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 32GB (2 x 16G) 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) Laptop Memory Model F4-2666C18D-32GRS (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232169) ​
• What is the HID gaming club that was referred to in ULTRA Male's post below. I have read that @Ultra Male dislikes to be tagged so I have avoided it on other occassions but this being a big one I request your insight. I did also want to get those tweaks to my system (once I get it ).

I am also collecting some of the good advice I got below. This will be my reference before ordering the item from @Donald@HIDevolution . Am also tagging in some other people and request them to take a quick look and let me know if I missed something important.
Tagging : @Falkentyne @Papusan @Vasudev @Mr. Fox . Thanks to all of you for being so kind and helpful !

 

High power low voltage cables are short otherwise losses build up quickly.

 

you've been added to my ignore list for tagging me with no valid reason. See ya

 

He wanted to ask you about bottom panel mods like the one you helped HIDevolution do for the MSIbooks.

 

I did not help anyone do any mods. I suck at hardware

 

Hello, welcome and goodbye from this section I guess?

 

With how excellent your bottom panel mod for the GT75 was, I'd rather having you suck at hardware than having someone good at hardware (like MSI) design suffocating heat traps!

@Papusan
Anyway back to flaming Alienware for their upcoming LGA Space Heater. See you on the other side.

 

The Bottom Service Panel Ventilation Mod is not necessary on the EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1.

Yes, that memory is compatible.

 

Actually I tagged you for a couple of reasons and sorry for not being clearer.
1. You mentioned the base panel mod and I did not tag you there just used your name to tag Donald for more info
2. I tagged you about info to the bloatware free Windows 10 Pro. Also for more info/reading on how to do the OS cleaning myself if you didn't have the time
3. I also tagged you since you have mentioned that you MIGHT consider helping someone make those bloatware changes IF they were member of HID gaming club and if joining it would allow me to get help from bloat I would like to do that (and request you to help).

So you see I didn't tag uselessly !!

 

Nice!

Ultra male updated his W10 ISO grab it at the earliest.

 

1- Not needed, tag whomever you wanted to have him reply to you

2- I do not teach people how to create the bloatware free edition themselves. This is the appropriate thread on how to use it and support: MSMG ToolKit and there is a ready made Bloatware Free Edition which I just created last night: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-redstone-5.823238/page-55#post-10844198

3- Correct, I do help HIDevolution Gaming Team Members tweak their machines but I don't see you are an HIDevolution Gaming Team Member as you don't have the HIDevolution Gaming Team badge or any info that you have an HIDevolution Machine. Once you do, then surely you can tag me.

 

Could be it will run colder when the battery run empty

 

Only paperweights remain cold.

 

I think you forget that this is a niche market (high power CPUs + SLI options) and the research costs might be too high to be a viable business option.
It sucks for all the enthusiasts in this forum, but as a business decision is quite understandable.

 

Perhaps. But, the street runs both directions. They should be equally understanding of the business decisions that enthusiasts make when they reject their broken garbage consumer models that fail to meet expectations as well. Companies have to make a decision to provide a range of products that all customers want, or resign themselves to the fact that they are going to lose those with higher standards that will not settle for the chintzy crap that is being offered. Nothing personal, just business.

 

Even if Clevo did go to the hassle of designing a connector without driver support from Nvidia it would be pointless.

 

Hello.

I need to replace the keyboard on my P870TM1 since some keys are not working. Will the keyboard from P870DM be compatible with the P870TM1?

Thanks

 

Yes sir, its fully compatible