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Ballistix Sport LT 8GB DDR4-2666

Yes, this is part of my report from CPU-Z:

Memory SPD
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DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR4
Module format SO-DIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Crucial Technology (7F7F7F7F7F9B0000000000)
Size 8192 MBytes
Max bandwidth DDR4-2400 (1200 MHz)
Part number BLS8G4S26BFSDK.8FBD
Serial number A12006CF
Nominal Voltage 1.20 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 2.0
AMP no

XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 7.0-8-8-17-27-n.a @ 583 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #2 8.0-9-9-19-31-n.a @ 666 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #3 9.0-11-11-22-35-n.a @ 750 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #4 10.0-12-12-24-38-n.a @ 833 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #5 11.0-13-13-27-42-n.a @ 916 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #6 12.0-14-14-29-46-n.a @ 1000 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #7 13.0-15-15-31-50-n.a @ 1083 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #8 14.0-16-16-34-53-n.a @ 1166 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #9 15.0-17-17-36-57-n.a @ 1250 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #10 16.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #11 17.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #12 18.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #13 19.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #14 20.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)

DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR4
Module format SO-DIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Crucial Technology (7F7F7F7F7F9B0000000000)
Size 8192 MBytes
Max bandwidth DDR4-2400 (1200 MHz)
Part number BLS8G4S26BFSD.16FD2
Serial number 236100BF
Nominal Voltage 1.20 Volts
EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 2.0
AMP no

XMP profile XMP-2666
Specification DDR4-2666
Voltage level 1.200 Volts
Min Cycle time 0.750 ns (1333 MHz)
Max CL 16.0
Min tRP 13.38 ns
Min tRCD 13.38 ns
Min tRAS 28.50 ns
Min tRC 45.38 ns
Min tRRD 3.00 ns
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 7.0-8-8-17-27-n.a @ 583 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #2 8.0-9-9-19-31-n.a @ 666 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #3 9.0-11-11-22-35-n.a @ 750 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #4 10.0-12-12-24-38-n.a @ 833 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #5 11.0-13-13-27-42-n.a @ 916 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #6 12.0-14-14-29-46-n.a @ 1000 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #7 13.0-15-15-31-50-n.a @ 1083 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #8 14.0-16-16-34-53-n.a @ 1166 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #9 15.0-17-17-36-57-n.a @ 1250 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #10 16.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #11 17.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #12 18.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #13 19.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)
XMP #14 20.0-18-18-38-61-n.a @ 1333 MHz (1.200 Volts)

Monitoring
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Mainboard Model P870TMx powered by premamod.com (0x00000AFB - 0xDB9AB44D)

 

Oh those.

Can you RMA them? I think the modules themselves might be faulty. RAM usually has lifetime warranty.

 

Are those bad quality modules? Ironically I can get 2666 MHz by using a custom profile, but the XMP just won't work. Any way to test the modules and check if they are not working well?

 

Hmmm so maybe the SPD firmware is corrupted.

You can try the HCI Memtest: https://hcidesign.com/memtest/

Run 6 instances of it to at least 100% since you have 6 CPU cores, and divide your unused RAM evenly between them.

 

Those modules will always boot at 2400mhz as standard as that's their spd. You could try booting at 2400mhz and then manually changing to 2666mhz using the major timings listed in the xmp (leave the others how they are) and see if that boots.

 

Thought I'd add a couple of links to explain some of the memory related terms - SPD and Memory Training. I can spell SPD, and this link highlights some of its importance. I've heard the term Memory Training on a number of overclocking livestreams.

SPD - https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/serial-presence-detect-SPD

Memory Training - https://blog.asset-intertech.com/test_data_out/2014/11/memory-training-testing-and-margining.html

 

Is there an IPS display that I can swap? Preferably 120+hz

 

Thanks! I'll give it a try

EDIT: Tested the RAM with 6 instances for like half hour and no errors. So it seems only the SPD is corrupt. I wonder what happens when you mix RAM with differents SPD

Welll I made a custom profile in BIOS for the memory, with the exact same settings as default, except the memory ratio raised from 9 to 10, and the system boots no problem with the memory running at 2660 MHz:

Thanks for the links. That means the XMP profile should be part of the SPD, I think that's kinda weird the SPD gets corrupted

 

That works too just some modules cant take the same primary latencies at higher speeds. Nice bonus

 

Anybody planning on the expensive upgrade to rtx in the coming months/weeks?

 

Generally not worth it for 1070/1080 owners I would say.

 

Is that specifically because of the price of the cards, or is it a performance issue with the rtx cards?

 

Both really, its incremental.

 

@Papusan
Lol BFV 3 hour run.

 

If I wanted to add another 1080 I'd need to get an MXM 3.0b gpu correct?

 

It would need to look physically identical and you would need an SLI cable.

 

That delidded then?

 

Yep yep indeed , and a Rockit ihs for the 9series

 

Without throwing shade on his wonderful work, how do we all feel about fan controls max temp reading?

I’ve never had it seperately verified...

 

I can run a couple of benches to see if I can get the max higher, and we can look at fan control vs Afterburner for the temps if you want ?
Afterburners temp was showing the same. I'll grab something else to compare it against.

 

Don’t go to too much trouble, it’s not the end of the world but other measures have always reported higher temps by up to 5deg and the reason has been about multiple queries to the EC (is that right?) I just wondered what others experience was...

I’m vaguely interested in upgrading to a delidded i9, and also...don’t tell anybody, but maybe even getting a 2080...

 

It's no troubles . Just as soon as I get a chance I'll peep it out. I do want to say that temps may be shown by XTU given the fan control update . I know previously it was running off of HwInfo if I'I not mistaken. John@obsidian could probably explain more of the app. @ john@obsidian

 

actually I shouldn’t buy a delidded i9, I should just delid my 8086k myself shouldn’t I....should I?

Edit: I’m gonna delid...looks like fun.

@kfxsti does the i9 run at 63deg with the fans on full? Or med?

 

I have never used my fans on full. I just set the curve to hold a steady 40-50% after temps reach 50c. But I do have it to cram 100% if the temps go above 75c The gpu is about the same as far as curve wise, and 100% at 78c for them.
I honestly like my i9 alot better than any of the 8700k's I have. Once delidded and the Rockit Ihs installed, I didn't have to mess around with getting the LM as perfect between the ihs and heatsink like I did with the 8700ks either. But that's your call on making the switch. Whichever you decide, I'd definitely delid either personally lol. Alot of temp issues can be fixed by just popping the top

 

Sweet thanks. Yeah I mostly want it to run quieter. What was the issue with the ihs and heatsink on the 8’s? Did they have Rockit copper ihs’s’s like the 9?
I hate waste (although I suppose I could sell it) but I figure keep what I got and delid.

 

There wasn't really an issue with the IHS per say.
But given the bigger die size of the i9 vs 8700k, the ihs seems to sit on it alot better. I want to say the i9 rockit ihs a smidge bigger than the Rockit Ihs for the 8700k.
But like others have stated here, liquid metal needs 2 flat surfaces to work effectively. So just make sure your heatsink lays nice and flat on your ihs .

 

Does anyone know if the P870TM allow users to boot up running both the Intel i9-9900k's internal graphics simultaneous with the Nvidia GTX 1080 discrete GPU?

Premiere Pro has a feature which uses the 9900k Quick Sync for dramatically faster encoding of H.264 & H.265 files.

There's an article about that below.

Adobe Premiere Pro April 2018 Update: 2x faster export!

http://www.focuspulling.com/cc2018/

According to the article, there are some motherboards that allow users to force-enable internal graphics and discrete GPU to boot into Windows 10 at the same time.

 

I've been reading that Intel will be coming out with their 10 cores Comet Lake processor in 2 - 3 months. I hope it will work with the current Prema BIOS. Anyone hear details about the Comet Lake yet?

 

The iGPU is disabled on all Clevo P7/P8 models, the mobo doesn't even have power phases for it.

 

I've not seen much out there at all to be fair.

 

Disabled.

 

Ya know, if you don’t already have a vapour chamber heatsink, and you maybe wrangle some extras, upgrading from a 1070 to an rtx 2080, is not dissimilar to upgrading to a 1080 in price...

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18970805 anyone see this SLI 2080 in a Eurocom X9C?

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That's not SLI, but run through the PCIe of the MXM slots.
You can do that with any cards without SLI connection (e.g. 1060, Quadros etc), but it's really just for fun as performance doesn't scale the same and isn't on par with actual SLI:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18970805/fs/18496076

 

Interesting I also thought the score was a little low compared to 1080 SLI scores I have seen there's also this time spy score they have posted - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6779611 which actually does score higher than the single 2080 and 1080 SLI notebook systems. Also in both scores 3DMark Notes SLI as On.

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It's a driver hack:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/sli-with-different-cards.158907/page-118#post-3968942

TS is better on RTX in general due to the higher vRAM clocks helping at higher resolutions...

 

The cards dont even have an unsoldered connector for NVLINK.

 

Yes IK I was curious if a new MXM Card came out or something but it's most likely as Prema Says a Driver Mod

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Hi guys, my machine is always at 62C when used in games, but the sound of the fans is like listening to a hair dryer nearby, some way to improve?
Benchmark and full stress never go over 80C.

Thanks

 

Ok so I delidded, but temps are not as dramatically different as I expected (like 5 deg max). Should I be expecting an amazing difference? Im going to pull it apart again to investigate I think. Either the IHS to heatsink is terrible or I was too sparing of the LM from CPU to IHS, (like really I was quite sparing). Also I only did the CPU side, as per Rockit cool instructions, but Ive seen others do both the IHS and CPU. Thoughts?

 

Do both the IHS and CPU.

 

K

This time I’ll try not to strum the die pins as I pull it out....prrring....

 

Don't get your hopes up.

 

Hey guys, from what I've been reading on the last 10 pages or so, it seems possible to upgrade to an RTX 2080 but I was told by my vendors support tech that it wasn't possible. Who's right? (Single 1080/Vapor chamber/Prema bios)

 

It will need a bios mod iirc to get it happy. A lot of money for it though.

 

Yeah, there isn't any cheap way to get a 2080, that's for sure. At least it may be a possibility when I decide I have to have an RTX card. Honestly, it depends on how well I can manipulate ray-tracing scenes on my 1080 when the Nvidia driver drops.

 

Since you are with HID have a chat if you really want to upgrade, since they are a prema partner they may be able to help. Like i say it will not be cheap though.

 

Will do, thanks.

 

Ok so temps are better but still not amazing. Messing with the heatsink to get it flat is the next port o call, but can someone give me a simple test I should run and what temps I should expect? Say a run of fire strike should net max 80 deg, with such and such an OC and UV or something?

 

Every chip is different along with every heatsink.