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Generally speaking....ballparks...playpens....
I guess I could just flick through the last 150 pages...

 

What variables have you changed exactly, what paste are you using etc? What are your ambient temperatures?

So many variables make not just saying somewhere between 0c and 100c....

 

For gtx 1080 with T shaped hs - 70 c max on full fans for FS run.

Same card with VC, 60-64 c max on full fans

 

@Fromont
My single heatsink runs a bit cooler than my Dual card VC heatsink. But like @Meaker@Sager said. There are a crapton of variables that play into this. But both of my 1080s have never seen above 75c. And that temp was due to adjusting Fan curves.
And if you have the VC palllllease be careful with the cold plate. It's super thin for what it is. Shimming it would be a better solution than making any effort of flattening it back out if your plate itself is warped.

 

Ok ok I think my cpu OC is simply too high. So I’ve delidded my 8086k, and I’ve got Eurocom bios, eliminating current throttle. I’ve had clocks up around the 5 mark, getting 90 deg on prime95 large FFTs test. I also have a extra heatsink over the CPU with air drawing over it from the 2nd GPU fan.

Unfortunately I only have tiny chunks of time to mess with it and test things but actually I’m getting happier with where it’s at. I’ll post more specifics later on though...I’ll do a FS run, and then next on the list is upgrade to RTX town.

Edit: sorry I should’ve been more clear earlier about exactly what I’m doing and after. I’m currently ascertaining the effectiveness of delidding my cpu in relation to pasting and heatsinks. Once I’m happy I don’t have to pull it off again, I’m up grading to an RTX 2080 with VC, which is a fair bit different to most people’s setup anyway...

 

I got what your saying. Shimming the CPU heatsink made tons of difference in my quest for good temps. Despite the jajajajaja earlier in the thread regarding butchering my shims. Which I have found out mirror finishing with liquid metal is pointless as your scuffing and marring the surface anyway for it to adhere to begin with . Just take your time with it all my dude.

 

When you say shimming, just to be clear, you mean the ol sandpaper on an ultra flat block scenario yes? It wouldn’t be hard for me to do, I am a jeweller after all, it’s more the CBF factor...

Edit: I did done some reading, I see you followed mr Fox lapping video which I just watched. For some reason I was expecting the lapping to go down on the heatsink a la P370em style, but no on the IHS. This is what you did? Colour me surprised but I would have expected the copper IHS from rockit to come flat no?

 

For the 8700k I did lap the rockit IHS. Just for the gits and shiggles to see if it would help any . The 9900k Rockit IHS I left alone. But I also had a few custom IHS milled for testing something else as well.
*Edit* the Rockit IHS's are thicker and have a bit more surface area vs the stock IHS . Below is what I did to help compensate for that extra sizes , and a normally possible overlooked issue that the extra thickness causes .

@Mr. Fox also has a video showing how to solder a shim on to the heatsink as well. Which is what I played around with the most. Different thickness of shims and sizes to help compensate for the heatsink wanting to cup around the IHS under higher mounting pressures. Given that heatsink is copper, it has a tendency to cup horribly, leaving a big gap at the center of the IHS and it's higher pressure points being closer to the mounting screws vs a level pressure load - if that makes sense.

 

Riiight! Ok, that’s certainly not what I was initially thinking. Very easy to confuse ‘Shimming’ and ‘Lapping’. There’s certainly something going on as core 4 is about 5deg cooler than core 1 under full load. I happen to have 2 cpu heatsinks so will look at that...

 

As you get more cores there are greater variations in core temps as cores on the edge have more cooling potential.

 

Just palllllease remeber if you shim the heatsink to make sure you adjust thermal pad size accordingly. And becareful of heating the heatsink to much as the heatsink/shelf for the vrms will fall off . Lol do not ask me how I know this lol.

 

Lol I think I know how...
All good, I will shim my spare heatsink later when I have more time. I’ve just taken the c clips off the bottom of the cpu heatsink screws and left it at that for now. Installed rtx 2080 no drama, except my g-sync is messed with. I tried to do a run with fire strike as it’s really all I have to compare to previously with my 1070, but gsync is on but I have no option in the control panel to turn it off. Not a major, I just don’t have time to sort it...

 

Few things, Is there anyway to get the premabios for metabox without going through metabox as they don't actually have the one with support for the 9900k and will make you pay for it i feel after paying 4500 bucks a bios update should be free, Second are there any swappable 120hz 1440p ips panels for this, figured one might be out there by now, Preferably glossy, And lastly is going from 1070 to 1080 or 2080s worth it in anyones experience

 

It’s early days for me but I’ve just got an rtx 2080. It was more worth it as I didn’t have a vapour chamber at all and it comes with the gpu, plus I asked for a few extras, so it was comparable to upgrading to 1080 in terms of cost.
The only numbers I can give you are that with gtx 1070 I was getting 130ish frames on bfv (map dependant) with a mix of med, high, ultra settings, on dx12, and now I get 90- 100ish with same settings but dxr on ultra...temps around 60deg. The machine in general is much quieter but that’s going from their single gpu heatsinks to a vapour chamber...
In terms of being worth it, I think it’s only worth it if you’re weirdly obsessed with FPS and having the bestest and smallest stuff. But being an owner of a P870 means your likely to be in that category already, and also having the money to spend. How obsessed you are will determine how worth it it is.
Edit: oh and the game looks nicer...
Edit2: that’s on 1080p by the way, I’ll be using it on bigger better screens later...

 

That's like saying you paid 300k for a car but the new tyres should always be free.

 

Um if I paid 300k for a car I would expect a fairly good servicing plan.

Plus tyres are a consumable, but software isn’t.

I just feel like there’s a better metaphor...

 

Feel you bro. Almost every reseller post on page that they provide "lifetime software support". But after warranty - getting anything, even stupid BIOS update is pain in ass and big trouble.

If you're feed up - try free dsanke bios with support for i9 9900k. Im on it for few months and so far no problems whatsoever.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...esh-thread-bios-for-all-clevo-laptops.825558/

 

I’m all good, but thank you! Actually Premabios is a special sauce as far as I’m concerned and likely should be monetised. It’s a hard one, and some resellers are better with their community than others. I’m just messing with Meaker more than anything.

I’m just glad there are people out there willing to pour their time and effort into these machines. They should be compensated, whether it be Prema, John at Obsidian, the free Dsanke bios, or Eurocom, HIDevolution or other resellers who support them. Also Mr.Fox, Ultra Male, HT wingnut, plus others...it’s super cool for those few of us who have found this Clevo thing that rings our bell...really although the machine is expensive, thanks to these people we really get a lot of extra value out of them.

 

Assumptions and not even true unless you talked to them last year. They have 9900K Mod for a long time. Just talk to your reseller and they'll hook you up covered by warranty!

 

Software is consumable in a way, third party updates dont just write themselves.

 

Any chance of Sager offering a 20xx bios update? I am just about ready to take the plunge on RTX

 

This model is officially discontinued so there is no more official development on newer cards.

 

ok. does anyone know of a bios mod t hat supports RTX that is available to the masses, paid or no?

 

@jfrancis232 I just did a Eurocom RTX upgrade. The bios comes with it...(you may be able to wrangle better stuff too jus sayin...)

 

I do have to question spending so much on such an incremental upgrade at this point.

 

I have to agree with Meaker to some point. It’s stupid expensive. While I didn’t mind spending the money, I can imagine others perhaps not being wise to...I’m happy with it though.

Last time I spent the same on 970m sli which was much more worth it in that scenario.
Perhaps the question is, in a year, will you be able to upgrade to the next generation after 20xx? That will likely be similar price but much more effective yes? The issue will be will it be upgradeable in a EOL machine...

Speaking of upgrading, can I offer to sell a pre loved 1070 here? Or is it better to put it on the marketplace forum?

 

Firestrike results. for anybody who is interested...

 

Maybe re-run without Hwmonitor running in the background. The physics score (cpu score) doesn't look correct for your clock speed. Remember you can see temp and clock speed in "Show Details" in the 3DMark benchmark software. Just click show details after benchmark is finished

 

My rtx is on the way !!! Good scores my dude

 

Heres those results again...All core are set to 4.9, single core is 5.3 I think. God Ive messed with it so much I cant remember...
Do you set all cores the same?

Also for anyone who is interested, heres a cover Ive cut from a textured rubber for my keyboard surround, using those cheap skins you can buy. Man theyre terrible. I had to adjust all the measurements from the skin so that the rubber version would fit nicer...not perfect, particularly the circle for the power buttom , I realised later that I have a circle cutter hiding away...nevermind...no more greasy looking plastic for me...

 

I normally pair my cores. Like 5.1-5.1=1&2 4.8-4.8=3&4 4.7-4.7=5&6 etc.
I have the card in hand woohoo!!!
Did you have to flash your 2080 to work right out of the box with the p870?

 

I got the Eurocom 2080, which is preflashed and tested. All I had to do was update my EC (which I did with their guidance) and BIOS (which they did remotely) before I installed. There was a few tense moments, but we got there in the end. The only issue I really had was that g-sync appears to be non functional...which I’m not fussed about tbh.

Good luck with it. I’m sure it will be plain sailing though...

 

Saweeet !!
I just got done searching to find out what needed to be cut off of the dual GPU heatsink to make this work .I'll have to play with it tomorrow if the bios/EC is my limiting factor at the moment.

 

Your a braver man than I, that’s 4 sure...

 

Ok , if the rtx2080 was tested and or updated from Eurocom.. would there be any reason why it wouldn't work out of the box @Meaker@Sager @Papusan
*Edit*
Got the heatsinks ready. I will worry about getting the card in probably later this week. Unless someone is like - hell yes it will work, cram it in there. Lol

 

Ask them if buying from them

 

Overkill laptop cooler is finally done. I got too lazy to finish cutting the other two circles out. It's controlled by a Noctua NA-FC1.

 

Lol if it was like mine the steel can be a pain to get through.



You could get a grill like mine for safety and a clean look while retaining airflow.

 

Silly question but what are the before and after temps, coz my attempts have made 0 difference to temps. Amidoingitwrong?

 

I can honestly say that having the single GPU heatsink with same cooling pad setup was alot better for me than the dual GPU with said cooling pad. Even now so with my 2080.

 

Didn't even think to use one of those

 

Do you have a good seal between the laptop and the cooler? Most of your air flow could be escaping out the sides.

 

I used some oven liner to give it an even more rounded appearance.

 

You got the 2080 in then?!

 

Yes , yes I did lol. And it to me was well worth it over the 1080. I lost my Gsync but it's all good

 

Awesome!
You had 1080 sli didn’t you?
What did you do for drivers? I wanted to look into modding drivers myself at some point if that’s doable...

 

Yep yep. At least one of the 1080s are probably going to be sold here shortly. Keep one as back up.
Hoping to get the Single gpu heatsink shimmed in the morning so I can get to messing around with my voltage curve

 

With SLI being abandoned the single faster card is better for everything but benchmarking it's true.

Just fairly expensive.

 

For anyone that is attempting to mod the dual or single heatsink for the Rtx2080. Please make sure you completely find everywhere a thermal pad needs to be, and place a correctly sized thermal pad in it's respective location. Also make sure to shim where needed and mill where needed.Or under power limit situations you can damn near guarantee a shutdown. Lol.
Also setting a good curve helps temps alot.
@Fromont is there anyway you can list your pcie-dev1ED0 info from within device manager ? Just so I can check something. Im having to add REV-A1 on the ends of the respective device IDs to inf files for drivers to install correctly. Which I think was part of my shutdown issue as well.

 

Pads must be on the vrm chips (the little black rectangular chips) these are the most important part.