Samsung N510 netbook with Nvidia ION chipset and 9400 graphics

To be honest even the NC10 isn't that good in very bright-outside circumstances. I tried making some pictures of it. They don't tell the whole story but they give an idea. The 190 cd/m backlight just isn't bright enough.

I think the N510 will use a similar panel as Acer 751 and Gateway 11.6". They're quite nice screens but not suited well for outside use.

 

Yes, I found the NC10 SE which I would think had the same display not to be that great for bright outside use either. Fortunately for me I rarely use mine outside, so other than for testing purposes it really wouldn't impact me. I'd certainly suggest to those that would be using them outdoors to find alternatives to these models.

I think this model will have a nice display, but as you suggested I would not expect to see it work very well outdoors in direct sunlight.

I wish we knew when these were going to be released in the US. I have someone very interested in buying my N120. I certainly do want a bigger display with better resolution, yet still light and compact.

 

i think a notebook/netbook has to pass at least 300nits to be usable enough outside.

 

250 works pretty well too imo.

 

Anyone know what screen the Asus 1101HA will have? The specs so far simply say "11.6" LED Backlight WXGA Screen (1366x768) with Color-Shine (Glare-type)"

 

Glossy screens are an absolute nightmare on laptops. A study has even shown that they are bad for you health-wise, causing extra eyestrain and back pain when users contort into uncomfortable positions to minimize glare. Forget about working outside in the sunlight, just a normal environment with a few light sources here and there can lead to glare on the screen.

I hate the glossy trend, and the matte screen was part of why I bought an NC10.

 

and that's about $100 too much.

 

I'm pretty sure we went through yesterday didn't we?

Anyway I expect it's the same panel as the Acer 751 uses. 200 nits bright, 190:1 contrast. It's reviewed by Notebookcheck.

Although it may be a different panel, there's no certainty until you get one.

 

I don't doubt it. My head is starting to spin from all this research.

Time to step back from the computer for a while...

 

i looked at that asrock advert.

i had to laugh at the decibel comparisons with the last one being 'wood'
how can wood make a sound on its own? 15db? has it got woodworm in it?

 

I never noticed that. That's funny.

By the way, I read people with Atoms in nettops are taking their coolers of the CPU, which only leads to 5 degrees more heat but makes the system totally quiet. (this was not the Asrock system though)

 

so the nc510 will have a 11.6” 1366 x 768 display.. i was wondering if anybody knows if the nc510 will be able to do 1024x768?

sorry for the noob question

 

Why would you want to do that?

It will probably be possible but look bad. LCD displays look best in their native resolution.

 

True, you know its funny i never mentioned this but the naming scheme this time around is exactly like LG haha. LG P510 and P310......thats too close for comfort

 

I tend to use 800x600 with scaling disabled on my NC10 when there are (usually older) games that don't support custom widescreen resolutions. Sure I get the black borders but the picture won't get smudged by scaling.

 

the text will get smudged though.

With this GPU you will probably not have to scale down much

 

Delayed, except in France

 

It says itll be out in August though, so i guess thats still good.

 

That's not really what the article said. It said it was delayed in France, but still should be out in 3 weeks.

 

Will this netbook be available in Canada?

 

Good matte screen protector should fix glare problem.

Can't wait for S12 ION vs N510 comparo.

 

How much can the Atom N280 be OCed?

Can you push that further than the normal one?


And from a realistic point of view, when would it be realistic to assume we would get this?

 

I'd expect the opposite. Since overclocking is done through raising the FSB, the N270 with lower FSB is a better candidate for overclocking.

 

Ok.

Do you think this Samsung N510 will perform better than the current Netbook-with-graphics Asus N10?

Do you see the N510 being the new king of Netbook Gaming?

 

It will perform the same because Nvidia 9300 and 9400 perform the same.

 

Ok. Would you happen to know why its bundled with 1 GB ram, when Asus N10 and Lenovo S12 will be with 2 GB?


Do you think the N510 will only support 1 GB ram max, as some other netbooks?

 

No S12's ship with 2GB, where do you see that? And the N10 models shipping with 2GB use Vista, XP models ship with 1GB. The N510 will support 2GB max.

 

I am pretty sure I read the Ion version would ship with 2 GB somewhere? Maybe I read wrong...

Anyway, I wonder if the N510 will be able to get over 2000 points in 3dmark 06.

I saw some people on N10user.com who managed to push it just over 2000 points with OC: http://www.n10user.com/viewtopic.php?id=566

Apparently swapping a new hard drive also makes a difference, but OCing the GPU did not help that much apparently.. I guess the Atom is just so far behind that Ocing something like a 9400 or 9300 is pointless.

 

If they'll perform the same, what's all that fuss about Ion then?

 

Power consumption and price probably.

It's cheaper than dedicated graphics and will consume not much more than GMA950.

 

^ Don't you think combining NorthBrigde, Southbridge and GPU in one chip will make system work faster overall?

Also,

The 9300M GS is a 16-shader chip
64-bit
256MB of DDR2 memory at effective 800MHz
GPU core running at 580MHz
shaders clocked at 1.4GHz
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15940

The 9300 integrated variant is using 16 shader chip
GPU core running at 450MHZ
Shaders clocked at 1.2GHZ

The 9400 integrated variant is using 16 shader chip
GPU core running at 580Mhz
Shaders clocked at 1.4 GHZ
But it is using the faster DDR3 ram, how much memory it is paired up (steals from the rest of ram) with is dependent on the OEM.

 

Could be true I don't know. I'm going by 3dMark06 results of Sony Z with 9300M 256MB DDR3 and Macbook with Nvidia 9400M. Both score around 2200. That's why I said they perform about the same.

Combined with Atom CPU they will score a bit lower but still around 2000 I reckon.

 

I see where you come from now. I hope to see a noticeable performance gain or I'll be very pissed about the wait.

 

wont N510 be more expenssive than Asus N10?


N510 will be like 800 Dollars...? N10 was 600 Dollars I believe?

 

No, US price of the N510 should be around $600. There are different versions of the N10, for example one with Vista, 2GB, and 9300 is $693.79 on amazon while a version with XP and just the GMA 950 would be cheaper.

 

To me, netbooks will worth their money only when they are capable of doing something more then just web browsing and word processing. And Ion will make them worthy lots. It'll turn them into ultimate, ultraportable all-formats-media-players + light gaming rig. Can't wait!

 

Im more worried about the whole Flash problem... (Hulu, Youtube etc..). I think thats a big deal. I heard they are working on a solution to make Flash work with off-loading to the GPU.

 

Yeah, I agree. Flash support would make that device PERFECT to me.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39658857,00.htm

 

They are already coming out with a new version of the N10 it is looking really good as well. It uses the NVidia G105which is like the updated version of the 9300/9400

 

Here is the thing that I am interested in all this versus Ion - even with a new graphics chip like G105, which I understand is a revamped and improved 9300m GS, is that it still uses the old chipset?

So will the new N10 benefit from the improvement? I heard 105 also has lower power consumption(which is really nice).. and if it generates less heat, then its double awesome.

 

Link to the thread which has details. And link to buy it with N280/G105M for $690.

 

Wow its ALREADY for sale? Cool. I wonder if anyone on the site has it yet.

 

Yeah I saw that a while back, cool.

Still.. 945 chipset? Does N510 still have this as well, or is this being replaced by Ion itself?

I heard N10 was also limited by something with it's PCI-express slot or acess or something, but also that it had advantage over Ion platforms because unlike Ion, the 9300m has 256 dedicated Vram which are supposedly faster and much better than borrowing the normal system ram, that the 9400m does in ion.


Thats another thing.. why cant these netbooks support 4 GB? even if the processor is weak wouldnt it make a big difference for vista?

 

I assume Ion doesn't need to have dedicated RAM, 'cause it handles system memory fast enough due to built-in south and northbridge chips.

 

Ion is the name of the chipset yes.

2GB will be enough for Windows 7.

4GB will only pay off during heavy multi tasking, which is not possible on the Atom because the Atom will be the bottleneck long before the memory starts being the bottleneck.

Large image editing with CS4 would also be bottlenecked by 2GB, but that's also not a very good idea on an Atom CPU.

 

4GB would also offer the convenience of having many RAM-hungry applications open at the same time and being able to switch between them without the delay while Windows shuffles RAM contents into / out of the virtual memory.

John

 

All true, but the Atom is grasping for air already in those scenarios. So while it may be nice to have 4GB, it is not very relevant in my opinion.

People intending to run those scenarios are better off with something else than a netbook.

 

that is true, can the cpu run all those programs that makes up 4 gb ram? I dont think so and even if it does there will probably be some major slowdowns.

 

I agree and I think you've jumped outside the scope of the Netbook at that point and need to be looking for something with a bit more power in terms of the processor. Ram will only take you so far in the grand scheme of things.

 

Well with how cheap notebooks are now i think many people are starting to look at cheap small notebooks instead.