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My Droid (1st gen) is so awesome that it made me glitters!

 

Noob question, I am trying to flash a kernel, when I download the file it's a .tar.bz2.. Odin needs a .tar to work, do I just remove the last extension?!

EDIT: Nvm I'm an idiot.

 

Sorry to ask here instead of doing the legwork myself but it's not for me so I can't really be bothered...

Is there an easy way to root Galaxy S i9000 handsets?
Like a simple app or a program you can run from a PC?

 

Yeah I used SuperOneClick, worked like a charm!
Sooo, its my first time using Odin, how long should it take to flash a kernel?

 

The same SuperOneClick that works for the Defy?

 

Which kernel are you flashing that uses ODIN? Most are flashable through clockworkmod recovery.

Should be. One maybe a version or so newer or older...

 

Thanks - now I can get my co-workers off my back...

 

HAL: I got seeARMS' rom, it is designed for the i9000M
It has been a success! Now I'm trying to get all my settings viable

 

Nice! Since XDA is down AGAIN (I'm really not liking XDA these days), what build is that ROM?

Congrats though... Welcome to the custom ROM world.

 

Its a .UGJL2, thats the first reason why I went with it!
Thanks! I'm enjoying it! It just sucks that I have to reinstall all my apps >.>

 

Titanium Backup FTW!

backs up all your apps, app's data, and system settings.

 

Yeah I'll use that next time
Is there anything else I have to know about the ROM world?!

 

Themes?

 

See, that's why OEM crap sucks. CyanogenMod and Nexus S/One re-download and install all your apps/contacts/calendar/gmail automatically upon signing into the Market. OEM builds don't do that, and I've never understood why.

Sidenote though... UGJL2 is an older build? Why that one? If I'm not mistaken that's a 2.2 ROM, not 2.2.1.

 

Is there really much difference in 2.2 and 2.2.1?

 

Indeed it is running 2.2.
But it was made especially for my carrier so I thought it would be great to go with this one.. If you tell me it doesn't make any difference then I might use another ROM very soon.

 

There's more than one might think. Most of it is framework level stuff though. With Samsung ROM's inertial scrolling changes MASSIVELY between 2.2 and 2.2.1.

It doesn't. I'm running native i9000 ROM's on my Captivate and it functions -better- than stock or i897 builds ever would. Gingerbread is actually stable on the i9000 with JVK.

 

Oh lol, hmm i havent really noticed actually I'm on 2.2 now, but i was running 2.2.1 previously.

I got pretty much the same Quadrant score on both 2.2 and 2.2.1 though, so i guess speed isnt an issue.

 

So should I get a Gingerbread ROM?

 

Bit of a tangent but I was wondering whether someone on here might be able to lend a little insight to this.

I was trying to understand the point he was making but he never answered my questions properly and then talked down to me like it was my fault I didn't get it.
But I'm pretty certain he's just wrong - I don't see any justification for his argument/case aside from it being what he wants, which isn't really grounds for the FTC to make a decision...

Anyway, just in case I'm missing something, anyone care to shed any light on it?

 

There's really no reason for them to consider it, but if the FTC actually does do something about it... The FTC here in the states is law. They either comply or stop selling devices.

On that note, it's nice someone is bringing it to the FTC instead of Moto. You can complain all day to Moto, and they don't have to comply with a bit of anything. If there's anyway to force Moto to do it, it's by the FTC. But then that would only apply to US customers, not international customers.

@Thierry19... I'd suggest this one... [29/03/11] *XXJVK* DH2311's Turbo Ginger V.1.2 **2.3.3** - xda-developers

 

But the FTC can't just set arbitrary laws, can it?
There has to be some sort of a justification for them to pass a law and if there wasn't, surely it'd be shredded by teams of high-priced lawyers?

I just can't see the FTC ruling that bootloaders have to be unlocked because someone complains that it 'isn't fair' - so long as the manufacturers don't try and pass their handsets off as having unlocked bootloaders, then it's the end-user's fault for purchasing something that didn't suit their needs...

 

Here's what I found to be different on a Vibrant: 2.2 vs. 2.2.1

Copied pasted from a thread I started at xda.

 

I didn't say they would ever even look at it. But if they approve it, yes. They can dictate what Moto can and can't do while selling products in the US. And up until the minute a judge overturns the decision, it would be law.

About the lawyers... yes, the lawyers can bring opposition, but they have to battle it out in court. Then whatever the judge rules. I can see your argument though, and you're probably correct. No company is trying to pass a phone off as having an unlocked bootloader, and if you ask at the point of sell, they'll gladly tell you yes or no. And with that said, I still say that the FTC probably would never even look at it, but still it's a nice thought.

 

I'm actually not sure I agree with you there.

I mean, as much as I like the idea of an unlocked bootloader, I find these people with a ridiculous sense of entitlement who believe that by lodging a complaint with no case to back it up really annoying and I would love for the FTC to tell this guy how much of an idiot he is.

I guess it comes from working in retail, you get annoyed at people who think that special rules apply to them...

 

Ah ok, ah well i really like the 2.2 ROM i'm on now. It seems just as fast as the 2.2.1 so im staying

 

A little different direction than the FCC chat above, but I had a question for the more experienced Android users out there.

I'm with Sprint, and was locked into a fugly WinMo 6.5 TouchPro2 for awhile for business. Finally able to get rid of that paperweight, but my upgrade period isn't quite here. Trying to get out as cheaply as possible, since I can upgrade in September.

Does anyone know much about Sprint's LG Optimus S? It looks like a decent little phone, albeit it a bit feature sparse, but anything has to be better than what I have now. I had a Samsung Moment before, and while I had my complaints, overall I loved the Android feel.

The Optimus S is going for about $50 on eBay right now. I could sell off my TouchPro 2 for about $100, and come out ahead.

 

It has a tiny screen, thats the main downfall.

Also not really any development for it.

Hardware wise, it has a 600Mhz CPU. not great but managable if you dont try to treat it like a computer.

I'm actually going to have one myself in a couple days. I can tell you how it seems/feels/performs if you would like.

 

If I'm not mistaken, that's the same phone as the Optimus V on Virgin Mobile, i.e. the other Android phone on Virgin.

I've heard good things, at least compared to the Samsung Intercept. It's supposedly better in just about every conceivable way (except the lack of slideout keyboard), and cheaper as well.

 

Running CyanogenMod 7 RC4 on my evo 4g, but not a fan of the camera app. I have vingette for photos, but can anyone recommend something to record video?

 

Yeah, it looks pretty small (the Optimus S), but the thing I have now (TouchPro2) is a mammoth, so that might be a nice change.

Development as in custom ROMs?

Stock Android is fine for me, so long as I can get a halfway current version. 2.0+ is fine with me. Like I said, I plan for it to be temporary.

Regarding the processor, will it be able to handle most apps? I'm not looking for a snappy mini computer or anything, just a functional phone, that can hop on the web on occasion, and kill some time with Angry Birds.

 

Not sure about the Angry birds... but ill try it when i get the Optimus and let you know if it works.

AFAIK, it has 2.2

It should be able to web browse fine.

 

The Intercept is definitely incapable of playing Angry Birds...I don't know how the Optimus V/S compares.

 

BTW I just found out recently that Dolphin is just a front end for the regular stock browser. But it's still good. It and Miren are my favorites.

Also the Amazon App Stores free daily app is on point! Everyday has been good. Hope they keep it up!

 

Its a shame that we can't get these apps in Canada..
in other news, installed my first theme today ;D
I will have to change my rom again soon though, looking forward a Gingerbread based one!

 

The Optimus S is running on a Qualcomm MSM7627. That includes a 600MHz ARM11 CPU with an Adreno 200 GPU. While that's hardly enough to run a phone with an 800x480 panel, it performs quite well on the Optimus phones. They have a 480x320 LCD. Plus since it has a dedicated GPU and is OpenGL 2.0 compliant, it should run the majority of games on the Android Market, if they're not CPU heavy games. To get an idea of performance, read a review on the HTC Aria... Same thing on the inside. Just one thing to remember, this SoC is incapable of running Flash. Flash requires an ARM7 CPU.

Yep, all the Optimus phones are alike (except 2x), but different in minute ways... like the Galaxy S series. The thing that makes it perform so much better than the Moment/Intercept is that it's actually got a CPU cache (L2), where the Moment has none, and a standards compliant GPU.

Brilliant temp phone. It's also got pretty great battery life. It's also got a dev community, so... But yes, it can handle just about anything you throw at it, albeit not as speedy as the high-end phones.

 

It seems faster! lol

Oh well i dont like it as much anymore

 

Thanks HAL. I was hoping you'd chime in.

 

Well, even I don't agree with selling them unlocked, unless it's a dev phone/board/tablet.

I do, however, think it should be written in stone and up-holdable by law that the bootloaders be un-lockable (a la the Xoom). If I purchase the hardware, and I know what I'm doing, I should be well within my right to unlock. Under penalty of a forfeit warranty, of course.

 

Unless everyone goes down the Motorola route of encrypting their bootloaders to the point where it's impossible to unlock them, I don't see the need to have something enshrined in law - especially not if it requires you to trade off your warranty for it.

So long as some manufacturers have unlocked bootloaders, I just see it as yet another thing to consider when purchasing a handset.

 

Just got a Samsung Galaxy S Captivate. ._.

 

Late chime in from me I know, but HTC's ever so slowly going in that direction. If/when they improve their encryption scheme it could look a lot bleaker. There'd always be samsung and others though.

Out of curiosity what do you guys think about Google having more control by hand approving phones.

Congrats. Hope u like it

 

But given how 'meh' HTC's handset range is just now, is it actually that great a loss?
And as you say, there's always Samsung.

They're not doing that though.

 

So true, HTC needs to step up the design game a bit..even Sense is feeling dated.

Actually, in the case of Verizon handsets that include Bing search, they are.

Do Not Anger the Alpha Android - BusinessWeek

Bloomberg BusinessWeek isn't exactly "The National Enquirer" so I trust them, and look at the "on again off again" launch of the HTC Merge...perhaps one of the most botched handset launches in recent memory. It's been 8 months and many people, including myself, are still holding out for it. To find out that there's even a slightest possibility that it could be Google just feeling about not being front and center on the device comes across as just a bit insulting to the end consumer. There's not a good QWERTY keyboard device on Verizon outside the Motorola Droid 2 which many power users refuse to buy given Moto's stance toward user control of their devices. Until Droid 3 rumor's become clearer, this phone is to many (including myself...I wont lie) their only option.

Google's surprisingly anal about stuff like this. IIRC it took them months to decide between two gradients of blue that were super close together for some web service they do.

In any case, I think that having Andy Rubin approve the UI layers himself is a good thing, as it'll allow for differentiation while preventing lackluster devices (99 dollar drugstore tablets anyone??) from giving Android a bad name. However I do think that having him delay and hold up a phone's release just because it uses Bing as the default search/voice search app is petty. Microsoft did no such complaining with Windows Phone Classic when Samsung and HTC, etc. threw Google search boxes and widgets (in the case of Samsung) onto the phones instead of Bing. It comes across as not confident. If Google isn't worried about Bing, why feel so threatened? One can easily get Google Search back from the Android Market if they were that desperate.

 

That's quite a different thing - companies that wish to get the latest versions of Android first will need to play nice with Google but the source code will be published/made available to anyone, so it's hardly as though Google are rubber-stamping each and every handset.

Also, I'm not convinced that a lot of what's in that article isn't just an over-reaction to the delay to the release of the Honeycomb source-code.

 

PowerAmp is great! I'm really liking it so far!

 

Running CM7

Top That ..and still got 30% left

Got the governer running ondemand with 800 MHz - 1.2 GHz, I had moderate/heavy usage.. mostly browsing and navigation, and mp3 use

Love my Evo Shift

 

The 67 in the notification bar is the remaining battery percentage:

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well you just shut me up.. lol

Did you even use your phone lol

 

I can even get through a 18 hour day with my phone
How do you guys get such crazy long battery life!? :0