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Really? Will there be a price difference?

 

They'll likely be released in different markets - same as Samsung did with the different variants of the original Galaxy S.

 

Indeed. The OMAP 44xx line is beast. Seriously. My Captivate with CM7 can already overtake a Tegra 2 platform, graphics wise. Putting the SGX540 with a dual-core A9 is a match made in heaven. I like Exynos, but OMAP 44xx definitely has the better GPU.

 

Makes you wonder what Samsung were smoking when they went for the Mail 400...

If they don't do anything petty like give the OMAP variant an S-LCD screen, it might actually be the best of them.

 

Ah... Being in different markets, it implies that the price will be different? Will the OMAP be more expensive than the exynos, being a better SOC?

 

I know, right?! The only thing I'm worried about from platform to platform, is how many devs will back each... OMAP, Exynos, Tegra 2. I'm guessing most will be Exynos.

The next Samsung platform will have PowerVR graphics.

Shouldn't. The price offsets between the SAMOLED+ and the SoC differences should even out. Now, like if Step666 says, if Samsung decides to go OMAP 44xx with a S-AMOLED+... IDK. That's the best SoC with the best screen option. If that one is made, I WILL be buying that and selling mine.

 

Dibs on buying your old gs2 if that happens

 

LOL. Noted.

 

Double-posted: Samsung Charge LTE at EWR: 20Mbps down, 6.6 up.

 

Anyone use SiMi Folder widgets here?

 

I had it on my phone for a while before realising I had no use for it.

It seems decent for what it is.

 

What SoC is in yours?

 

Exynos.
The Tegra2 and OMAP versions aren't out yet.

 

^Yep.

Exynos.

 

damn.... my phone was just an inch away from being bricked



and it looks like T-Mobile switched to throttling on their end.... im being throttled to 0.10 MBit down on AOSP ROMs and even after modding my services.jar.... so much for "unlimited data"

 

hey I have a TMobile G2 and I was wondering if there is a way to make it so when I click the black button, the screen lights up and allows me to unlock the phone because the button has 0 use for me and I am used to unlocking the iphone like that instead of pressing the power button.

 

Are you using stock rom (software) or custom? There are plenty of custom roms out there that allows for using the optical trackpad (black button) to unlock.

 

stock atm, too busy to look into android custom roms and recently dumped iphone for a G2 and android is seriously awesome. Is there a way to enable it on stock rom or have to put a custom rom? And is stock rom vs a good custom rom night and day difference? like jailbroken vs unjailbroken? I am not finding anything wrong with the stock one atm but then again I dont know what kind of capabilities/enhancements custom roms can deliver. Besides android lets me install any unofficial software on it.

 

Yikes, how'd you manage that?

Hey, it's not truly limited until it either stops coming through at all, or you have to pay extra for it

You can root your device (i.e. gain root-level access to the Android OS), which allows you to do pretty much anything a custom ROM can do, although it's not always as easy. In fact, you need to be rooted anyway to install custom ROM's.

As for the wake via other buttons, I know WidgetLocker lets you do that if you're rooted, although there's no selectivity to it; either you can only wake via the power button, or all hardware buttons will wake it (including the volume rocker, send button, optical pad, etc.) I'm sure there are other ways around this though; I just haven't personally experimented with any.

 

I'm trying to figure that out now. At the airport it seems pretty stable. I'm at home now and although it should have LTE coverage, it's on 3G and has just two bars (out of four). I guess the building sort of limits the penetration. I'll try restarting the phone to see if the LTE signal sticks inside. But in any case the connection is good enough.

Edit: Rebooted the phone, same position within building. LTE sticks, but has just two bars (like 3G). Speedtest.net on my tethered tablet reports 4.92Mbps down, 0.49 up, with some variation. Speedtest from the phone gives about 7.8Mbps down, 0.22 up.

LTE signal still sticking, it leads me to think that the phone downgrades the connection to 3G when the signal was weak enough (I was walking around with it before), and either it doesn't do a good job of switching it back when 2 bar LTE was possible, or hysteresis (for stability) dictates that 3 or 4 bars should be encountered before the phone decides to switch. I'll play with it more...


Edit: Looks like it does switch properly after all: moving away from window forces LTE to switch to 3G, while moving closer switches it back. It seems quite stable.

 

Well that's annoying...turns out my display is permanently burned in :/

The WiFi tethering app I use doesn't work if the phone's display is off; if I turn off the display, the signal stops completely. The app basically shows a large yellow WiFi logo on a dark gray background; that Wifi logo is now permanently burned into the center of my display. It's particularly obvious when the display is showing any solid color, whether it be white, gray, black, or any color.

 

That stinks, there's no way to change this within the tethering app? I know wireless tether for root users has a permission that lets it keep wifi on when screen is off.

The burn in is my worst fear, and is why i never have the "keep screen on while charging" setting enabled.

 

If the system wifi settings doesn't work you should be able to force the settings via "spareparts" (root app).

 

Well it's a bit late for that now

My ROM actually came with Spareparts pre-installed, but trying to launch it just hangs at a black screen. It never force closes and I can get out just fine with the Home button, it just...doesn't do anything.

 

LOL... apple just completely ripped off the notification bar

 

Also ripped off WP7's unlock screen:



Ripped off so blindly, that they made the same privacy mistake: information about user should not be available before the phone is unlocked.

 

Don't see how that rips off wp7s lock screen

 

Calendar info is there, just like WP7. Do you use WP7?

 

Many phone OS's show calendar info in the lockscreen. Displaying that type of information does not qualify as copying... the notification bar is another story.

LockInfo on jailbroken iphones did this years ago. If anything, they are copying work by the jailbreak community.

 

So... if more than one other did it before, it's not copying? Ok

 

They are not copying the lockscreen interface. It still has apple's slide to unlock. If you are extending calling something a "copy" to something that displays similar information... thats just ridiculous. All smartphones have the same type of info on them, saying that because one displayed it on the lockscreen first, any device that shows that info is copying it.. is just absurd.

If they copied the lockscreen interface, including the swipe the page off the screen to unlock with similar style font layout, that would be copying. This isn't.

 

CyanogenMod coming to the Galaxy S 2, thanks to Samsung | Android Central

This confirms it. Samsung is amazing.

 

Yep. Samsung actually loves modders.

But that is, at the same time, a GREAT marketing move

 

Adreno 220 vs PowerVR SGX540?

 

I THINK, from a recent chart from Anandtech, if I remember correctly, the Adreno 220 was N1 against all of 'em ( except the GS2, wasn't tested ).

 

I wasn't talking about the swipe to unlock, I was talking about having notifications on the lock screen, Apple has info on calendar events etc. that should not have been revealed, that's a privacy issue. Why would I be concerned about the swipe to unlock feature, Apple always had it.

Apple didn't have any notifications on its lock screen, unlike Android and WP7.
Now it has. I wouldn't dispute the severity, but if this isn't copying, I don't know what is. An interface isn't limited to the entire screen.

If you say that all smartphones have all the info on them anyway and nothing they do can be considered copying, then why would you say the notifications panel is copying? After all, doesn't Apple already have the number of unread emails shown on its Mail app? Isn't that considered 'similar information' to what's on the notification panel? Or are you just saying anything you want because you want to be right?

 

the notifications thing is definetly copied from Android, no doubt about it lol.

Ah ok looks like i may very well get an Evo 3D. Not looking forward to the heavy metal construction though... i like my light samsung

 

The notifications on the lock screen is not a copy of android or wp7 for multiple reasons which I have already stated.

Before android and wp7 were released, Lockinfo had pretty much all of these features already. In addition all they are doing with this is adding some information to their existing lockscreen interface. They are not mimicking the look and feel of the android or wp7 lock screen at all. It was a natural evolution for the lockscreen.

The notification bar on the other hand is a direct rip of android because it serves the same function of that in android, and is implemented in a pretty much identical way. If you don't understand the difference between these two things, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Yes, this .

 

Actually I like to correct you on that.

The notifications on the lock screen are pretty much identical to Intelliscreen rather than Lockinfo.

iPhone lockscreen done right | Road Monkeys

 

I don't mind giving leeway on how much copying one OS did from the other, what I'm disturbed about is how quickly you believe your own opinions to be right to the point where mine are 'absurd' and 'ridiculous'.

If you talk about implementation in about the same way, did you see WP7's calendar notifications in the lock screen? Have you ever even seen it before? And if I want to be really strict about the word 'copying', I'm going to say it's the exact same code running on iOS5 as it is on Android, down to variable names. In that case, it can't be considered copying.

And if you say that it's just 'natural evolution', why can't I say that having the notification panel on iOS5 is also 'natural evolution'? Is it because only Android had it before? And if there's one more OS that had it before, then it's not copying Android?

 

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The top score is at 1.5GHz. Most games on Android are CPU bound, and the MSM8660 is still using the Cortex A8 architecture, whereas the OMAP is using Cortex A9. The OMAP can push more DMips per Mhz than the Qualcomm Scorpion cores, and the OMAP's Cortex A9 cores feature "Out of Order Execution". Notice the single core Hummingbird phones like the Nexus S and Fascinate do as good, or better than the dual-core Adreno 220 MSM8260/8660. Also notice the Tegra 2 platform. It really shows how weak it is here. Overclock the Tegra 2 or the OMAP platform and it will walk all over the Qualcomm SoC.

Another strike against the MSM8260/8660 is it's lack of a MPCore base architecture. They designed the MSM8260/8660 kind of like Intel did the Core 2, and just stuck two 45NM Scorpion cores together with no kind of cooperative subsystems.

 

Whenever I look at those benchmark charts, I get so excited for the next phone I will be getting. I mean look where the first gen Droid is buried under.

So what are the current competitors, Tegra 2, Adreno, and PowerVR?

 

Yeah i know as for the CPU the whole A8/A9 thing. it sucks that the EVO 3D is using older crap

But its my best option seeing as the Nexus S is my only other option

 

I wouldn't jump on the Nexus S until the next update.. the radio issues on the phone is a pain

 

Yea, I know right! Smartphones got really powerful, REALLY quick.

Competitor wise, it's 4 companies. Samsung only puts their Exynos in their own branded phones. Texas Instrument's OMAP platform (with the SGX540), NVIDIA's Tegra 2 (with the GeForce ULP), and Qualcomm's MSM series (with the Adreno GPU).

On what carrier? My 850MHz 3G version works fine.

 

Nah i wont be, just that its between the Nexus or the Evo 3D, and thats a clear choice

 

I would rather have the HTC Senstation.. the 3D would probably just be something to brag about

The Nexus S 4G on Sprint.. I'm dead smack rite now in the middle of Philadelphia, Pa and my signal since having the phone never went under 65 dBm.. but usually stays between 85-76 dBm's

And that's with the 3G.. a little worse with 4G assuming you can get a connection.. From what I been reading, judging from other owners.. we lose about 200-600 kbps of 3g and 4G about more than half of our etimated wimax bandwidth

Even with the signal issues.. battery life has been amazing, maybe the radio needs more juice

 

Well they're almost the same phone other than the 3D and memory differences

I dont really care about the 3D, I'm only [probably] getting it because its the highest spec'd phone Sprint has. The 3D is just a bonus, but i guess it should be cool