HTC 10

Refund it, get the XDA free version. Anyway it requires root to get access to kernel wake locks. There's not currently a way to get root without unlocking and flashing TWRP and then the special SuperSU with force encrypt on XDA.

 

XDA version http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15869886&postcount=2

You can obviously keep the paid version if you're going to use it but right now without root it's not doing you much good.

 

It's only 1.5 USD unless the free version offers me something which the paid one doesn't, then I'll keep it. What do you think?

 

Ok since it requires root access, I refunded it as it won't benefit me without rooting

 

You can always purchase it later if you decide to root. Bottom line is if your battery isn't draining like crazy on WiFi you don't have the bug.

 

@Ethrem

Try this bro.......

let the battery drain to 50%, then don't use the fast charger to charge it, charge it slowly with the USB cable. Yes it will take longer, but from my experience, once done that way, the battery drains much slower.

Please confirm to make sure this is not just in my head. I have noticed the same with my previous Nexus 6P

 

Doing that can damage the USB port on the computer. I'd rather not risk it. This is a high drain device. It's just defective that's all. As soon as a T-Mobile update comes out I'll flash it back to stock and do a warranty exchange. Or not... The drain is much better with wifi set to turn off when the screen is off. Either way it's better than my Note 5 and I can live with it til November when I do my next Jump upgrade. When I have to leave the house wifi is off anyway and the battery life is insane at that point.

 

NP

 

@Ethrem @bloodhawk @hmscott

Android N rumored to be named Android Nutella

 

It's been rumored for awhile. It wouldn't surprise me and I'd be happier with that than Kit Kat...

 

I just ordered 4 x 26 oz jars.
Obesity here i come.

 

That's partially my fault then, that's the name I picked and voted for Android N

 

Did you get the domestic or did you get the original Italian Blend?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...e79e68-e5bb-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html



International Face Off: Nutella
http://sweets.seriouseats.com/2012/03/international-face-off-nutella.html

 

Domestic

 

Not to worry, it'll go good with...

 

I'm more than satisfied with that.

 

Well I'm currently using a one-year old S5 (so some wear on the battery). 34h since last charge, battery's at 39%.

This is one area where Android needs some work/polish: a single rogue app/process can drain your battery like crazy. I uninstalled Facebook once I realized it was a major battery hog.

It's also why Samsung phones generally last longer than others. AMOLED screens are just must more efficient than the IPS LCDs HTC, Sony, LG and others use.

I'm also looking at the iPhone SE right now. While I prefer the Android ecosystem, I want a great camera and a small phone. I have a tablet for all my media consumption on the go, so I have no need for a big phone. My phone is purely used for calls, texts and music. The only small Android phone that doesn't suck is the Sony Xperia Z5 Compact - all other small/mini Android phones are just dumbed-down, low-spec products. The iPhone SE and Z5 Compact are pretty much the only high-end phones that come in a smaller form factor.

 

@Ethrem

Did you get this update bro??

 

Dude that is dope. I mean you guys are whining about getting more than 20 hours and here i am jolly happy with about 12 hours of battery life after light use, on my M8.

 

I just woke up so I'll have to go check it out. I need to flash my Note 5 back to stock today anyway since my roommate is bringing me by UPS Store when he gets off work. With the way HTC is pushing updates, I almost think I'd be better off leaving my phone stock lol. If I didn't have my two factor authenticators it wouldn't be that big of a deal to stay stock actually.

 

No talk of this mysterious new update at XDA yet so I'll wait.

 

Here's a screenshot of my battery stats right now. Haven't used the phone much the past few days.



Sent from my SM-T705W using Tapatalk

 

Serious spec: HTC 10 camera review: Digital Photography Review

 

To me most of the comparisons look like they lack that sharpening that Samsung is using. All gucci for me.

 

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I currently have the horrific HTC M9, with it's very sucky battery life (it drains so fast that I have to wonder if HTC will feature it in the upcoming season of The Flash, in which we will see which can run out of energy the soonest...), and very mediocre photo and video cameras.
I failed to do the research beforehand about these things, as I was so enthralled and distracted with having dual front-facing speakers that were falsely advertised in the TV commercials to be LOUD (they are not).
I have just chalked this up to a bad learning experience, much like what I did when I bought a Sager laptop with the 7970m GPU 4 years ago....
Anyhoo, how's the battery life on the new HTC10?
Single speaker this time or dual front?

 

Battery life is great until I use WiFi. Then it drops like nobody's business. However they aren't all that way. There are some getting 8, 9 hours SoT while I sit around 4 1/2 to 5 but my usage is also mostly games and this forum - this forum drains the battery on any device because the page is constantly sending and receiving data. Obviously if I didn't have games then I would have better battery life. Same if I used Tapatalk for the forum.

It's a single front with a tweeter on the bottom. Camera is actually quite good. I don't really have many complaints about it although it could be louder. The LCD is awesome unlike older ones but HTC went with two different panels yet again so that part is hit or miss.

It will do until I'm ready for a new phone again in November. Much better than the Note 5 I came from for sure.

 

what's our next phone gonna be bro?

 

It's possible that I end up back on a Nexus. Certainly won't be a Samsung device. Nor LG. The Motorola Z is interesting in theory but time will tell on that one. Zero interest in the iPhone.

 

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I DO have some great news to report about what I just learned about the HTC M9 in getting almost TRIPLE the battery life out of it OR MORE, and it's a really easy trick that we HTC users can do.
What's the trick to tripling the battery life on the HTC M9?
It's easy, just NEVER turn it on....

 

Well the 10 is a massive improvement over both the M7 and M8 but I skipped the M9 as I got a Nexus 6 instead. My M7 was a 3-3 1/2hr SoT phone but I still loved it. The M8 was about 4 hours. The 10 doesn't overheat like the M7 and the M8 did and the performance of the Snapdragon 820 is rather impressive. On LTE only my 10 went 2 days and 8 hours with 5 hours of SoT which makes it the longest lasting Android phone I've ever had and I've had the Hero, myTouch 4G, Evo 4G (original wimax model), Captivate, LG G2x, Inspire 4G, Sensation, Droid Razr Maxx, S3, S4, M7, M8, Nexus 6, and the Note 5 just off the top of my head. Were it not for the WiFi drain, it would be the perfect phone. HTC appears to have made a kernel and driver bug. There are two processes running, one in userspace, one in system, that cause the chip to get confused about what powerstate the WiFi chip is in which causes it to constantly go in and out of sleep. Should be something that can be fixed on the kernel level it's just odd that it doesn't affect every device.

 

I should be getting mine tomorrow

But i checked for the issue you are having on my colleagues phone and his seems to be perfectly fine running InsertCoin.

Its weird why you are having so many wakes, usually its just a app or service related issue. Could it be T-Mobile Wifi calling thing ?

 

I don't use WiFi calling or VoLTE and I'm on InsertCoin myself so it's not that.

It's actually not bad with WiFi off when the screen is off.



Hope you get a perfect one!

 

We raised enough noise to get HTC to look into the WiFi bug.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67407869&postcount=124

 

Nice, how more people one XDA with the same issue? Sizeable ?

 

Hard to say. The thread got stuck in Q&A, a place most people don't ever check. I really can't stand the moderators on XDA because they move things that should be visible to places nobody looks.

Thats a 13 page thread. It's quite likely that everyone has the issue, they're just not aware of it because they're used to HTC phones not lasting a day. I plugged in at 1d7h which 3 1/2 SoT today when I hit 15% which is still much higher than anything I've been used to with HTC but knowing the phone can do 2d8h with 4 1/2 SoT on LTE only kind of makes me upset about this bug. This would easily be a 3 day+ phone if they would fix it and turn kernel debugging messages down a bit (it logs literally EVERYTHING it does which doesn't need to be occurring). It's your typical early HTC glitches. HTC is a lot like AMD - they fix things over time rather than pushing a product out the door that's fully optimized.

 

Yeah, its been ages since i made a thread there. Mostly just post around, that too rarely.

Beats me why they would want to log literally everything haha.

 

It makes no sense to log everything, the log gets constantly purged anyway, it's just eating up CPU cycles and eMMC write cycles. I fire up aLogcat and it just takes off...

 

This was a very heavy usage scenario. I'm actually impressed.

 

Yeah I've actually become quite happy with this thing. 20 hours and 5hr43m SoT is very much acceptable to me.



I have thought about tweaking the big cores to have a lower maximum frequency to see the effect on battery life but honestly I'm so used to 4-5 hours SoT that I don't see the point in tweaking it any further. This is with no battery optimization either. No Greenify or other battery tweaks other than WiFi off when sleeping thanks to the WiFi bug.

 

Mine doesn't seem to have the wake issue.
Wifi is on all the time and the first charge I still have 75% left 12 hours after the initial setup. Still gotta move everything over, install apps, and I'm super lazy.

 

Can you run adb shell and then dmesg and see if you see PM_Enter_L23 messages? If you don't have the bug then as soon as the T-Mobile update comes out I'm going to go back to stock and swap mine out. Sucks to pay for S-OFF again though, maybe I'll just suck it up. Using LTE outside of the house is fine with me and I'd hate to get one with other issues. I've got a 6GB data plan but I've rolled over 20GB into my data stash as well so I really don't need to worry about data.

 

Sure thing, ill probably end up doing it tomorrow or day after. Once im back home.

 

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From your in-depth analysis (which is most appreciated) , it sounds like your experience with the M10 is largely a positive one.
HTC must have been listening to it's customer base, and fixed the battery issues that are plaguing the M9 (which I own and am very disappointed with because of the horrific battery life).
While a very much improved Battery life is a positive, HTC turned around and did some negatives though, by getting rid of the features that I love about my M9, which is the FM Radio and the dual speakers.
If HTC can put those items back in for the M11 model in 2017, then I will think strongly about coming back to them and getting that phone.
Don't know why HTC did those things in removing features that set it apart from other Smartphones, but I can allow them one error in judgement, if they make up for it, by adding those things back in.

 

Well honestly I don't mind the speaker set up anymore. The battery life is about to get a big boost as the developer community has found a WiFi battery drain fix and are in the process of cleaning up HTC's crap code.

I guess the speakers aren't as much of a feature to me anymore. I very much like having capacitive buttons and a finger print reader/home button in the bottom bezel instead. It also just quite frankly looks nicer with the huge grills gone from the front of the phone. My only real nitpick with this thing is the camera... Its a pretty decent camera but I have to wipe it off every time I go to use it with a microfiber cloth because oils stick to it and don't budge and they mess with the OIS. I haven't tried the front facing camera at all yet but I'm assuming it's decent since it has OIS as well and the Gorilla Glass 4 on the front doesn't hold smudges like whatever the back lens is made from.

USB-C really makes me happy too. When I think about how many microUSB cables I broke over the years... Ugh.

 

Nougat is the latest flavor of Android


Android Nougat Statue Unwrapping

 

ohhh so it's not Nutella afterall!

 

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George Costanza won't like this, because he spent too much money at the Car dealership trying to convince people there that Twix doesn't have the Nougat in the middle.....

 

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In taking a look at the pluses and minuses of the new HTC10, not having dual speakers or an FM radio are probably not that important in the bigger scheme of things, if the battery life is substantially improved in the new model, as has been said.
I actually do like those two things from an entertainment POV, because I largely use my M9 for media entertainment, but with little phone usage. As long as the speaker(s) are LOUD so that I can hear them while outside, then I am okay with it, whether it be one speaker or two.
Honestly, the dual "BoomSound" speakers on the M9 aren't that loud to begin with, and were over-hyped and over-sold by the Marketing and PR people at HTC.
They are no more "louder" than any other phone that I have seen, whether it be the iPhone or Samsung Galaxy, which only has one rear-firing speaker on each of them.

 

The 10 is no different in that department unfortunately. Although when it's using the tweeter only (speakerphone or ringing) it's loud... Especially the speakerphone. You can go deaf from that thing.

It's unfortunately not as loud as my Note 5 was when playing music though and YouTube videos are especially quiet for some reason. Works fine in my room but I wouldn't expect any miracles in a noisy environment.

The M7 was by far the loudest. So loud that people complained so the M8 and M9 were much quieter out of the box and the 10 is quieter than the M8 although not by much.

 

Just to chime in,

After my experience with M7,8 and Nexus 6. I think the best speakers are Nexus 6's the amps they use were top but the phone's internal choice of electronics was super flawed, the speaker volume-normalization occurs when you rotate the phone causing the gyro/accelerometer sensor to change values and it restricts the sound, some kernels helped the device some didn't had any issues, the screen split issue was also prevalent, I liked the M7's clear speakers without any distortion no speaker has been able to deliver that, N6 was close, 6P's dual speakers were fine but they are thin when compared to N6, the HTC 10 I was waiting for them to make it close to M9 concept renders but alas !

They didn't and I really don't like the departure of the dual speakers which brought name and fame to the HTC, the phone looked like a mashup of iPhone when the leaks came out and the large chamfeur was also not welcoming with that absurd galaxish finger print scanner and capacitive buttons they did remove that logo but the space remains there with huge bezels. No phone can replace the N6's ultra low bezel design with easy user replaceable battery and nice performance with the QSD805, faster than 808 and 810 except it doesn't have that 64Bit capabilities adding a negative performance with encryption.

Btw the HTC 10 is very expensive at 700$ for no UFS is a huge bummer In hand it feels and looks ok but these are my thoughts. At present I'm using a ZenFone2 till the Nexus 2016 arrives if it fails with a recycled design, I'll get the bang for buck best option OP3 for sure it's a clone of HTC and iPhone but hey It's well made.

Spoiler: 6P speakers Ars

The Nexus 6P has two speaker grills, and they're both actually used for media speakers. This grill design looks a lot like the Nexus 6, with a bar in the center of the speaker slot and a ring around it from which sounds can exit. The speaker bars don't stick out above the screen this year, though—they're only as tall as the screen. These are definitely front-mounted speakers, as covering them blocks a good amount of sound. For quality you'll get a noise that's about as loud as the old Nexus 6, but not as high quality. The 6P is a cheaper phone with a tinnier sounding speaker set
src

Spoiler: M9 concept render

http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/HTC-One-M9-render-5.jpg

Spoiler: Amazon N6 Experience

Amazon is the worst seller for all devices, such bitter experience.
I had bought an Avior from them which had a flawed button QC and then the Nexus 6 happened which was selling for $325, I pulled the trigger on it since I had missed N4, N5 after my galaxy nexus (still running) missed the development and the fun with OCing (ran SGS @ 1.2GHz live OC a.k.a FSB OC, Gnex highest was with morfic's trinity @ 1.8GHz though had it run at 1.5GHz stable for 1.5 years without any issues, amazing chip I have there, N4's S4 pro was phenomenal with super OCing and further the binned banshee QSD805 at a whopping 2.7GHz core speed, This had me make to buy the EOL Nexus 6 and there It began - first device was having this plastic peeling off like a bump on backside I searched and found it's a flaw and can ask for replacement, I did for a replacemnt on amazn and then second device came which had the paint chipped off from the side near buttons and then asked them for a refund, later still addicted to that N6 I took the plunge and ordered another piece later after a couple of months and bam this had those worst split screen issues and there I stopped trying for an EOL product...waiting since then for a better successor the Samsung locks the bootloaders and that Knox trips with insanely restricted ant dev mentality making no src and documentation for Exynos chipsets, even QSD based ones couldn't pull of a proper ROM because of retarded support.....

Btw I didn't had the chance to use those M8 (M8's baseband,wifi all these were delivered from HTC directly (firmware updates packaged with OS) and Devs don't have a chance to mod those, iirc that adds a few nicks to the developement of the device thus, Nexus or closer to Nexii the Op3...) and M7 but my friends have em so light hands on experience...And the HTC exlc ViperOne rom paired with EX kernel should make the devices scream to add, the HiFi DAC on the 10 is superb, like the V10. Too bad LG destroyed the G5 with that B&O's hollow sound and basic on-board default.

Phew...Sorry it's a cluster-mess.