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    My discoveries on Vaio Z’s Hybrid Graphics

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by Nautis, Jan 16, 2009.

  1. ln13ln13

    ln13ln13 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Changing the flag on my Z12 allowed for an option to rotate in the Windows Screen Resolution (but only in speed mode). This worked for me with the original Sony drivers and with the new Z13 drivers. You can also delete RotateFlag altogether for the same effect.

    The 260 drivers appear to have an option to rotate in stamina, but it did not do anything when I tried using it.
     
  2. namaiki

    namaiki "basically rocks" Super Moderator

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    Guys, what's your boot-up time on your laptop with Optimus/Hybrid Graphics?

    Boot time on my laptop with Intel Hybrid Graphics: approx 42 seconds on 320GB 5400RPM hard drive.
     
  3. blue13x

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    I would really love to have that 260 driver, but the whole driver signing and requiring to stay in test mode is just not what I had in mind.
    Isn't there a way to sign these thing and not to require that test mode?
     
  4. homie_g

    homie_g Notebook Consultant

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    thanks, will try and update with results.

    regards
     
  5. koalacarlo79

    koalacarlo79 Notebook Geek

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    260.61 or 260.63?
     
  6. thomaskc.dk

    thomaskc.dk Notebook Deity

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    I have to say that the latest sony beta drivers runs at least as well in games on my z12 as the 260.63 did.
     
  7. ido

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    its been over two weeks now, any updates ?
     
  8. Blahman

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    What is so hard about following the instructions? Once you hide the test mode overlay you have no indication that you're even *in* test mode.
     
  9. thomaskc.dk

    thomaskc.dk Notebook Deity

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    Hi guys,

    I'm trying to figure out what inf version it has been agreed on works best for the 260.63 drivers? test1 or test2?

    thanks
     
  10. Blahman

    Blahman Notebook Consultant

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    don't know that there is any difference, I just used the newer one
     
  11. thomaskc.dk

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    Thanks, I ended up using the default test1, seems to work fine too.
     
  12. hxkclan

    hxkclan Notebook Consultant

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    Nautis any chance of a 260.89 update? Users seem to report better performance on GT3xx series as well.
     
  13. thomaskc.dk

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    that would amazing. But are the hybrid compatible?
     
  14. hxkclan

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    Heard it was tested on M11x, so i guess so.
     
  15. thomaskc.dk

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    I just successfully installed the 260.89 drivers !!!

    here is what I did.

    note: I already had Nautis 260.63 installed. but this should not be needed.

    1. Download the nautis 260.63 drivers

    2. Download the 260.89 drivers MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service

    3. Extract both in separate folders

    4. Copy "nv_disp.inf" from "Z11-12_N26063_I2202_Test\Display.Driver\" (260.63) to "Nvidia Forceware 260.89 Beta for M11xR2 Modded\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\260.89\Vista 64-bit\International\Display.Driver\" (260.89) and overwrite.

    5. Now copy everything inside "Nvidia Forceware 260.89 Beta for M11xR2 Modded\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\260.89\Vista 64-bit\International\" (260.89 - ONLY all the folders, not the setup .exe and the cfg files, into the nautis 260.63 folder and overwrite all the folders (with the 260.63 replacement inside).

    6. Follow the installation guide for the 260.63 since everything is the same from here. The installer will say "260.63" when you start the installer, but when finished it will list what it has installed and "260.89" will show up.

    I hope its not too complicated, i tried to keep it simple because it really is.

    All that happens is I overwrite the inf file from 260.89 with the 260.63 to get the sony Z information, and then i copy all the driver files from 260.89 back on top of 260.63 because we also need the intel drivers (which are already in the 260.63 and NOT in the 260.89 for it to work on the sony Z).

    Enjoy!
     
  17. Anzial

    Anzial Notebook Evangelist

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    It'd be easier if you attached a file you used to install ;)
     
  18. thomaskc.dk

    thomaskc.dk Notebook Deity

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    Haha true, I will repack the installer and upload it somewhere.

    Edit (uploading now/ will take a bit though)
     
  19. thomaskc.dk

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    daleski75 Notebook Consultant

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    Do they still require signing and turning on testing mode?
     
  21. rmcx

    rmcx Notebook Evangelist

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    Couldn't get it to work. It went through what looked like a good install but when I rebooted it just came up with a generic VGA driver.

    Couldn't update the driver any further from the folder and when I said to update it automatically, it just re-installed the 190 driver.

    Sad!
     
  22. thomaskc.dk

    thomaskc.dk Notebook Deity

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    Yes! the circumstances are exactly the same as with the 260.63.

    You need to follow the same instructions to make it work.
     
  23. thomaskc.dk

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    did you do the "test mode" and the driver signing ?? you need to do that for win7 to load the drivers correctly, just like with the 260.63.

    Also you need to make sure the hybrid it put on "speed" not auto.
     
  24. rmcx

    rmcx Notebook Evangelist

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    Well, I thought I followed the directions, but still no go here.
     
  25. thomaskc.dk

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    Hmm strange, what I do is

    1. uninstall previous drivers
    2. enable "test mode"
    3. reboot.
    4. install the modded drivers WITHOUT restarting
    5. sign the two files under system32/drivers
    6. reboot

    And then everything works like a charm.
     
  26. Bommel87

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    @rmcx: There must be a mistake in your procedure. The drivers are working here.

    But there is one issue: Nvidia does not clock down while idle. (but i did not check that for 260.63, so there might be that issue in nautis drivers as well)
     
  27. thomaskc.dk

    thomaskc.dk Notebook Deity

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    I though still can't figure out if they are really better performing on the z12 compared to the 194 betas

    Yeah the down clock actually does seem to be broken, not sure how 260.63 handles it.

    Im going to run a 3dmark06 test now and then revert back to the sony drivers and see too.
     
  28. hxkclan

    hxkclan Notebook Consultant

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    260.63 clocks down perfectly on idle.
     
  29. thomaskc.dk

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    I can confirm that 260.89 actually does clock down perfectly for me too.

    However there is 0 performance change between 260.89 and the 190.24 from Sony when running 3dmark06 and testing in starcraft II in fact i feel that 190.24 does better when it gets tight.

    So i have gone back to sonys drivers since they allow the hybrid to use auto and so on.
     
  30. rmcx

    rmcx Notebook Evangelist

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    OK, I'll give this a try later today.

    Thanks!
     
  31. Anzial

    Anzial Notebook Evangelist

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    I hope that you do realize that 3dmark06 is pretty much useless testing for 3d driver performance, right? I mean, it's such a old benchmark that it's mostly measuring your CPU power rather than GPU, so using it to test performance enhancement between driver revisions is pointless.
     
  32. hxkclan

    hxkclan Notebook Consultant

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    Really freaky, don't know if anyone has noticed the same. But since i upgraded to the modded 260.89 driver posted recently, the graphic switching is MUCH faster somehow.
     
  33. rmcx

    rmcx Notebook Evangelist

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    Well, it took a few attempts, but it seems to be working. Haven't checked out all the auto switching and stuff, but will try to get it later today.

    Thx.
     
  34. blue13x

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    You still need driver signing and test mode stuff?
     
  35. thomaskc.dk

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    I perfectly know that but it gives you A number, which is still better than someone thinking / feeling a game is more or less smooth :) So I know you can't use it to compare performance in games or how "fast" the computer really is. but as for doing the exact same test with 2 different drivers it will give you an idea overall.

    Also in starcraft 2 the sony drivers actually seems better late game.

    Hopefully someone will do some more testing and prove me wrong and that the 260 drivers really are better overall.

    @blue13x
    Yes, still need test mode and driver signing.
     
  36. Anzial

    Anzial Notebook Evangelist

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    It seems like you are missing my point. You probably should read this thread
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...-why-do-people-use-3dmark06-over-vantage.html
    2006 will NOT show any advantage of particular driver set over another even when there is one, because it's much more CPU dependent, and much less GPU. So, even if there was a performance boost with the driver, it won't register in 2006 because you still have the same CPU. If you really want to see A number, you need to use vantage.

    SC2 is a better metric but correct if I'm wrong, it does not have a built-in benchmark and neither does it have a built-in FPS counter which makes your 'feelings' not a very accurate measurement tool.

    Bottomline: before declaring that one driver is better than another, use correct measurements.
     
  37. thomaskc.dk

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    Sc2 does have build in fps counter and how about you help out instead? I know well enough what im doing and what basing my points of thanks.
     
  38. Anzial

    Anzial Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey hey, take it easy. I said, 'correct me if I'm wrong' :) So you proved me wrong on SC2, good for you :cool: . Personally, I don't really have time to mess around with drivers, and I'm not playing games on it (yet) so eking out last ounce of performance out of it is not on my agenda but it is on yours. so choosing appropriate methods of measuring it should be your priority, and that is why I'm insisting that using 3dmark2006 is useless, and if you bother to read the thread I linked you'll see why.
     
  39. rmcx

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    260.x Driver: I tried getting a new Windows Experience Index, but it couldn't complete it because it said it couldn't play back a movie file.

    Now Aero has vanished.

    There are some registry settings to fool with, but I'll probably be reverting back to the 19x driver otherwise.
     
  40. thomaskc.dk

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    Well the big difference is that 3d mark vantage is directX 10 only which is 100% pointless to test on a 330m gpu, also 90% of all games are still DX9 only, like starcraft 2. And that is why 3dmark06 is still used.

    ideally a game with a build-in benchmark would be best, no doubt.
     
  41. Anzial

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    Again, did you read the thread I've linked? and you are very wrong about 330 and Vantage: 330 is 100% Dx10 compatible, so Vantage is a perfect metric for it, especially for your purposes: comparing GPU performance enhancement between two sets of drivers. 2006 will NOT provide any useful metric for that purpose.
     
  42. tripmaster

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    Nautis, did you ever make that post on Z12 driver updates?



     
  43. thomaskc.dk

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    You really don't get do you? there is no point in running a dx10 test to see how drivers do in DX10 when all the games are running dx9.

    Also the 330m supports it by feature but it is FAR FAR FAR from capable of utilizing it for anything useful as even the big desktop cards still struggle sometimes. It's not a feature worth mentioning on lower end gpus.

    Also read this, http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=182659 Im sticking with the 190.24.
     
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    It's a stillborn sickle of consoles, which are stuck in the early dx9 stage, as a result, many games are still DX9. :(
     
  45. Andrew08

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    Found bug.
    Nvidia cuda not working if switched from intel to nvidia.
     
  46. CygnusLPA

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    Not exactly.
     
  47. av80

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    Hi All

    I am new to this forum so I am sorry if I have posted this in the wrong section....if I have please can someone direct me to correct forum

    Anyway...I have just got a Sony vgn-z5

    It has an HDMI and a VGA port. I have 2 new dell external monitors but cant seem to get them working.

    E-mailed sony but they said they only support one external monitor....so i asked them why have 2 display ports

    I had a dell before which worked a treat

    How can I get both monitors to work? Is it my drivers? My graphics card is nvidia 9300m gs

    Also, i dont even have the option to rotate the image like i did when i had my dell laptop (I have monitors in portrait mode)

    Any help would be greatly apprecaited

    P.S. I tried to also download the drivers on the first page by my computer does not all it...says hardware not recognised

    Thanks for your help in advance
     
  48. pyr0

    pyr0 100% laptop dynamite

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    Won't work. Buy a ViDock or a usb graphics card.
     
  49. Ungjaevel

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    Oi!

    Got the 260.63 (Nautis - I'm impressed with your knowledge and work!), and it works fine!

    I've boosted my 3dmark score (3D Mark 2006) to 6550. But can't seem to go any higher.

    Have seen reports of scores ~7500 - wondering what drivers they use? And if they overvolted? (I see a potential here - My temp is nowhere near "dangerzone").

    (I haven't applied the bios hack yet).

    Cheers
    f
     
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    I use MSI Afterburner (you can also use EVGA Precision, both made by the author of RivaTuner) to overclock my GPU to 600/1320/820 up from 475/1045/700 when gaming, it does make a noticeable difference.

    My guess is those higher scores were also with overclocking.
     
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