New VAIO P coming 9th of January

and a Blu-ray Burner that also burns DVD DL. The current Z drive with BD Burner can only burn DVD SL. Caught many people by surprise!

 

True, Apple hardly gives information about their screens. Going by their website people assume there is no difference between the screen of a Macbook and the MBA.

On the color gamut: there's a difference between what manufacturer's specifications and what is actually true in real life. I've owned a Z for a while and I find the claim of 100% color accuracy slightly questionable.

 

In terms of a product as a whole, it is a bit of a joke in many other ways. You can't bend a Sony with fairly minimal effort and have it stay bent. And a great screen - if you get one with a proper screen / one that works that is, and aren't too far away from an Apple Store to traipse several times to it to get it replaced.

Anyway - back on topic on non-joke laptops, I'm vaguely hoping it's a clamshell successor to the UX - not with an Atom, because that would be suckage.

On a slightly different note, you'd think after a decade they'd look at jazzing up the logo a bit. It's not that much of a design classic in any case...

 

From how I understand LCD screens...why the screens are glossy is to improve the contrast and blacklevels, but the side effect of glossy screen is the well known "mirror effect".

now if we compare this to OLED, who does not need any help with contrast, because it have 100000:1 ... i dont think it will be an issue with them.

But remember...any surface that is glass or similar have a reflect...

 

100% is not that much, a lot of desktop monitors are now ~105%.
Dell xxxxWFP-HC or newer IPS models like the 3008WFP are 117% NTSC.

In laptops it's a whole different story. The usual for a good screen like the one in VAIO SR is ~60-65% NTSC. Most of them, like the low-end FWs or Macbooks cover only ~50% NTSC.
There are only a few selected laptops with better gamut: Lenovo W700 (72%), Acer Aspire 8920G (90%), HP EliteBook 8730w (96%), Dell Precision M6400 and VAIO Z (100%), and the best, the VAIO AW (136%).

Regarding brightness, it's not that important. I had one of the horrible SZ1s with LED backlight: Yes, they were extremely bright, but they failed miserably on color reproduction:



Yellows were very soft, and once calibrated, they were just beige
The standard SZ screen was dimmer, but had much better color reproduction, so I ended changing my SZ1VN (which came with a certificate signed by the VAIO Europe Director) for a regular SZ1HP back then.

Black levels are indeed very important (if this new VAIO has a OLED that should be one of the biggest selling points), but a photo of the screen in a dark room tells more about it than a bunch of numbers.

 

I agree brightness isn't that important, as long as it's over 200 cd/m. I love high contrast though and for me it's very important.

About this new model... Maybe it's a model that is already available elsewhere in the world but not in new zealand?

 

If it's true, what a bummer

 

Looking at sony.nz, they already have TT, FW, Z, SR, UX and the newest models with glossy lids: AW and CR

 

That would be so big ownage i would myself

 

It's not available anywhere else yet. It's new.

 

hmm perhaps it will feature the new nvidia chipset? that is in the macbooks? along with oled?

 

Interesting.

I understand you can't tell us much but can you tell us the display size?

 

Or, do you think it is something worth waiting for if I am currently considering the Z6xx series?

 

If its "completely new", then its not a new version of UX serie too. Also not a new model of G serie too.

Must be somethin really big then! I wonder when they will be one sale.

 

If the FCC photos were real this is a 10 incher with ultra wide aspect, which is consistent with the clue "you will change the way you look at laptops. Forever." So it's not something really big...

 

well there is the P and there is the R, the R is 27cm x 20cm whereas the P one is smaller in side at least depth from front to back.

The P's images are prohibited till jan 8 or 9 where as the R are a bit later for some reason.

 

So the P is the revolutionary model coming out on the 9th. I'd say it's probably some sort of netbook with a 16:9 OLED screen.

 

why would that be such a big deal?

Unless sony .NZ is making too much noise for nothing?

 

It's not a huge deal of course but since when is marketing free of exagerating statements. We'll see. We might be wrong and see a really outstanding and revolutionary new design. A 16:9 aspect format netbook is fairly new and the OLED screen would be a small but welcome revolution for laptop world on its own.

 

I think it might be a solid slab of black, rising up from the ground, featureless, bold, sleek and stark

 

Yes, the market...but usually sony always kept their promisses...check the latest vaio laptops...they are still one of a kind and are out for a few months now.

I just hope my excpectations are not too high

 

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/12/22/dont-hold-your-breat.html

Interesting conversation.

 

Hmm... so not a netbook. I must say I agree with what they say. My 10" NC10 is starting to annoy me, it's too small.

(I love it when nixon is dropping small hints )

Where did you find this information?

 

A good point in this interview, I (personally) believe netbooks are so sucesfull just because f their price. I have asus eee, which lies somewhere under the seat of my car, because its not "fun" anymore and I believe many people did the same. Netbooks are something in betwin of a pocket PC and a laptop, which is rather useless today - too small for some normal usage and too big for ultra portable, but because their price is VERY low, people buy.

Just my 2 cents.

I also never wanted sony go down that road, because it would mean to sell a low cost product, that is not sony style...it has nothing to do with "be like no other"

 

Yes, nixon seems to know a little more than the rest of us!

Thou..if it will not be a netbook, and we already have TWO very powerfull machines outthere - TT and Z, what else can be done!?

My guess still goes with 11 or 12" OLED screen + massive battry for close to 20 hours of work.

 

FCC, check near the beginning I posted a schematic from the fcc, and sizes from the image.

 

But that is exactly the size of a 10" netbook. While the guy in the clip is saying there not going to use the same form factor. What do you reckon?

 

why would documents on fcc lie? I took the mesurements 3 times, once from regular size, then 2 more times zoomed in on the image and the width came out to 27 cm.

the person who is there of course is head of the business unit, so perhaps he was referring to no business netbook

He did mention sony will not be entering the netbook market, but into something else, a different category, probably bridging the gap between netbook and notebook in a different form factor.

Sony wants to differentiate itself and will offer something completely different from the market, it is their style.

 

It probably is a netbook, but he doesn't want to call it that because despite the fact that it will come with an Atom processor it will be super expensive and calling it a netbook would be cheapening its value.

 

Or its the impossible (??) - netbook size with "Z power"...

 

Good point. Judging by the size it will be a 10". Maybe it will be a 10" with 1280*800. More expensive than a netbook but much cheaper than a TT.

 

There seem to have two models coming
A model that is 27cmx20cm appeared last week on the fCC - the PCG-4R1L,
link http://www.netbook3g.com/netbook-3g/pcg-4r1l-un-autre-notebook-sony-avec-3g-et-gps-integres

So on the Jan 9th we could get two new models: an UMPC the PCG-1P1L and a netbook the 4R1L

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=333271&page=2

check page 2, I already mentioned the 2 differnet models and added the schematics last day.

 

It does claim a dock connector. It's looking awfully like a TT. If it doesn't have chromed plastic I'll be P'd off. But if it has an Atom I'll be somewhat mollified cuz I wouldn't be buying it in any case.

 

Could we expect any of the following for sure?...
OLED screen
Backlit Keyboard
Dedicated Graphics (hybrid of some sort)
Long battery life
New Design

It seems that everyone is expecting this notebook to have so many features. In the end, it turns out to be the complete opposite.

 

Long battery life looks like a given, if you look how large the battery slot is, unless they short circuit it along the way for fast emptying

 

It might be a competitor for the Mac Book Air. It's going to be test marketed first in a smaller market to see if "any kinks" need to be worked out. It will also be premium priced based on configuration and size. It's not a competitor for the widescreen FW, a line Sony will continue but is likely to upgrade with newer processors and drives next year.

 

I doubt it is a contender for macbook air because of the marketing scheme. It is prob something more than that. However, by the big battery suggestions by some board members, I think it is prob a laptop that looks nice and KILLS the battery life, perhaps over 10 hours of battery.

EdIT: I read the french site and it says it might be a netbook. That would be awsome if it was a netbook with over 10 hour batterylife (without atom).

 

Knowing Sony, we're about to change how we view netbooks literally because of how Sony will price theirs - over 1k obviously -_-'

 

Guys, do you really think sony would introduce a "cheap netbook" on CES and make a big deal out of it? I doubt.

 

of course not, that is not sony's style. lol

 

Well...that too, but CES suppose to be reserved for huge things, like fr example...and OLED TV last year.

Maybe this new notebook will be extra thin and thats why the battery is so wide, because its extra thin? Somethink like a "new" X505?

 

Based on that interview I think it's safe to assume they won't.

It will probably be twice as much as netbooks. I'm guessing close to $1000.

Good point there. Sounds more like Sony.

A TZ like model but then thinner, with Atom, high resolution screen, 1.8" HDD or SSD and no optical drive.

 

I must confess, this thing is getting on my nerves. the more i think about it, the more of a mystery it is :/

Now i am thinking..why would they go for a new design, if they introduced a brand bew design - the cilinder one - with all the latest vaio laptops.

.nz sony s, i really hope to get some info soon

 

well did some digging on the fcc site to see what else could be revealed.

the 'P' series is made in japan and has a 10.5V DC in where as the 'R' series has a 16V DC in. For comparison my FW has a 19.5V DC in, and i never noticed this but the model is PCG-3D1L. The 'R' is made in the USA with foreign made compoents. It's photos like I mentioned are blocked till the 20th, so well after CES, while the 'P' series is only till january 8th.

There is a chance the R series will have a CTO option, since it does mention CTO on the schematics. Both models are also in compliance with canadian spectrum regulations and so forth, so they will probably be sold here as well.

 

Very interesting stuff! My netbook (NC10) has 19volt input.

I wonder if ultra low voltage laptops have lower voltage. Anyone here with a TZ or TT in the house?

 

I checked the FCC TT model specs, the label mentions 16V DC in, but then there is also 19.5V stated on the same pdf file.

 

TZ had 16V input, i am almost sure about this!

 

Maybe it's only 10V because of the OLED screen

 

yup it does

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3956

last image, it says 16V on the notebook.

might be so for the P series, I am wondering what the R series will be? it has a later debut and if it was just a cpu/hdd refresh for the TT the images would not be restricted, so whatever it is, it's new. I just hope some site leaks some info.

Btw anyone know if there is another electronics show after CES in january? or thereafter.