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    New VAIO P coming 9th of January

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by mrhaboobi, Dec 20, 2008.

  1. the_1

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    Is the 10inch OLED screen really viable for Sony financial wise? The OLED TV they launched is super expensive. If they can sell a 10inch notebook for 1000 bucks it would be amazing. OLED really is the next big thing in display technology.
     
  2. b|lly

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    Even UX had 16V, so 10V must be for Atom CPU, and some low power system.
     
  3. b|lly

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    They can put OLED inside their TT or Z serie model and sell it for 5000$, iam sure it ill sell well, because OLED pwns.
     
  4. ascariss

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    I don't think the P series will come with such a large OLED? currently kodak has an OELD picture frame, 7 inches for 999, so it is not cheap. so perhaps a half an inch space at each side so a 8.5 inch OLED? If even that?

    perhaps the comp is running dual core atoms?
     
  5. Phil

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    But my Atom system (Samsung NC10) has 19V input.

    Maybe the Z530 Atom like used in the fanless Dell mini 12 needs less.
     
  6. ascariss

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    btw the link in the first post no longer works, guess sony removed the site :p
     
  7. the_1

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    So OLED is pretty much out of question, unless it will be available as a $800+ option. Dual Core Atoms sounds interesting as well, but I think SONY will simply try to innovate in therms of size/format of the netbook genre.
     
  8. Phil

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    I've read that Dual Core Atoms won't make it into nebtooks for a while because of the higher TDP.
     
  9. b|lly

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    Dual core Atom cannot mean "we will change the way you look at notebooks".
     
  10. the_1

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    True... so the debate continues.
     
  11. Skyshade

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    The "R" should be the Type G (not available in US) replacement. G & T series use 16V AC. Not sure about the 10.5V in the "P", though, anyone knows the AC adaptor for those netbooks with VIA CPUs?
     
  12. b|lly

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    I honestly cant imagine VIA CPU in sony laptops :)

    I think msi wind with atom uses 12V as an imput power.
     
  13. Skyshade

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    Well, they used Trasmuta (sp?) before, why not VIA? :)
     
  14. b|lly

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    Good point, but then again...why bother with "we wil change the way you look at laptops" and put a VIA CPU inside :)
     
  15. Phil

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    Via could be true. Samsung is launching an NC-20 based on Via 1.3GHz Nano U2250 in february.

    Samsung already gets 6 hours battery life with an Atom and 52 WH battery. Surely there must be some reason why they choose Via instead of Atom.
     
  16. nixon

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    Sony's been very loyal to Intel these days.
     
  17. b|lly

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    Thank god!

    ;)

    nixon, throw us another bone!
     
  18. Phil

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    Slightly off topic but possibly related to this dicussion:

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20081223PD201.html
     
  19. ascariss

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    that is not what I meant, I meant that would try to set itself apart by offering it in their new netbook.

    But perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way, it may feature OLED, it may not, perhaps it has some new kind of battery?
     
  20. Phil

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    Extraordinary battery life seems like a plausible guess.

    The drawing points that way and the voltage too.
     
  21. outie

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    Say, will this new series beat the Z series in terms of performance?
     
  22. Phil

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    Impossible. Size is too small and 10V is not enough.
     
  23. armadilo

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    "we wil change the way you look at laptops". The answer a lot of times is in the phrase...LOOK...For me is another netbook with the difference of the 16:9 resolution. There stands maybe the way you LOOK at laptops. But with the same logic OLED fits good in this.

    Nixon will we see a replacement of the G series?
     
  24. ascariss

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    hmm perhaps it will be a touchscreen OLED?
     
  25. b|lly

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    What i have an issue with is the fact, that only vaio .nz have this information on their page....maybe its just their "local promotion". In the new product would be so big thing, i am sure it would be all over the placE?
     
  26. Phil

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    I'm expecting it is a pretty big thing, otherwise I don't think nixon would comment on it.

    Nixon has proven to be a very reliable source of breaking news in the past.
     
  27. Rachel

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    Sony will struggle to sell OLED laptops in any climate and they will struggle more to sell them right now given the state of the economic climate at the moment.

    I think that Sony rep was a bit out of touch about what a lot of people want right now. The netbooks right now are the best selling computers in the UK. A lot of people are buying them as a second laptop. I have seen business people with HP Mini notes commuting with their notebooks. They are good for note taking and general stuff.

    That rep also seems to have forgotten that Sony did make a 10.6 inch notebook in the past.
    A stripped down TT would probably sell well. It is not something that would appeal to me though a budget TT.
     
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    I thought he had a point. In the beginning I was raving to everyone about my 10" netbook (as you may remember :) ). Now, after the hype is gone, it's starting to annoy me. I'd much rather have 12".

    The first time when I heard the Intel exec say that netbooks are only good for an hour I was strongly disagreeing. Now I think he has a point.

    Sure netbooks sell great, everyone wants one.
     
  29. ascariss

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    perhaps, but the link doesn't work anymore, there is no more countdown :p

    as for struggling to move new units, it has been shown that people in recessions tend to spend their money more wisely, less of it, but more on more expensive items like sony since they know they are getting more value for their money (some might question this :p)

    unless someone mentions some specifics about the P and R series, we can only guess what this will be in the end.
     
  30. Rachel

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    There might be some demand for a 12" but some people do want smaller notebooks. To some people a 10" inch is even to big for their needs. Sony has sold 4.5 inch UMPC's for a while. These netbooks offer a little more screen space for a much cheaper price.

    There are some companies selling 12" inch netbooks now. Also, there are some companies that are offering these netbooks with a higher resolution than you will find standard on most netbooks. Some of the HP Mini notes i believe come with a 1280x768 resolution.

    These netbooks are not meant to be laptop replacements so if you want to buy one as your only laptop then you will probably be disappointed.

    Like i wrote in my other post a stripped down TT with a decent resolution will probably sell well.


     
  31. hendra

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    Hopefully, Sony will refresh the FW in January with XBrite HiColor at 1600x900. I need this particular configuration.
     
  32. dampfnudel

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    Yeah, I would prefer that resolution & HiColor along with a GPU upgrade to a 3850/70 or 4650 (doesn't look like it will happen with this refresh). I'll have to wait for CES and Dell's introduction of their new Studio XPS 16. Maybe that model will get a better ATI card. :confused:
     
  33. Red_Dragon

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    hmm thats interesting i could of sworn this was sony's new gaming notebook :D
     
  34. Phil

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    I agree. But Intel has limited use of the cheapest Atom to 10" max. and Microsoft has limited the cheap XP license for Ultra low cost PC's to 1024*600. So it is possible to make cheap laptops with 12" and XP, but they cost more or come with different CPUs (like the Dell Mini 12 with Atom Z530).

    So where the exact line between netbook and notebook is, is open to argument.

    That was not my intention.
     
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  36. Phil

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    Very interesting. By the looks of it that seems to confirm a 16:9 10 or 11" formfactor, very thin.
     
  37. hendra

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    They put the thing in an envelope, just like MacBook Pro in a Manila Envelope. So, it looks like that the surprise is meant to compete with MBP for portability and not necessarily for performance.
     
  38. Phil

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    A lot smaller envelope than the MBA envelope though.
     
  39. b|lly

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    Yes, but with replacable battery, i hope ;)
     
  40. ascariss

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    hmm, I saw it will be under 10 inches in width. hmm, january 9th is still a ways away.
     
  41. Phil

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    Where did you see that?

    Earlier you said "10.6 inch x 7.87 inch."
     
  42. DetlevCM

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    Little detail PhilFlow
    ;)

    Edit:
    Looking at a box - its always difficult to tell which is the width and depth etcetera...
     
  43. ascariss

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    that's the R series, the one which is prohibited from being shown on the fcc until the 20th or so of january, the P series is the smaller device, 10.5V and debut on january 9th or 8th, and it looks like this

    http://www.sonyinsider.com/2008/12/01/3657/

    rahul mentioned it here
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=326592

    btw sony is having a pre CES press conference on the 7th, so perhaps some light will be shed on that day about any new products?

    R series is 10.6 in from side to side and 7.8 inch from front to back.

    P series is around 9-9.7 inch wide and up to 4.5 inch from front to back (this is from engadget)
     
  44. b|lly

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    Not really, a lot of holidays ahead so many people will be drunk most of the time and time flies when you are drunk ;)
     
  45. scadsfkasfddsk

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    Sony has had decent mini laptop offerings for a while. Thing is though they aren't netbooks, netbooks = cheap (and I imagine we will soon find cheap and nasty). Sony doesn't really do cheap to well so, but I do see room for a more luxury option...of course its not the best timing for dropping something expensive on the market.
     
  46. Phil

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    Ok so that looks like it's the one in the envelope on sony.jp

    Super thin, small, expensive netbook. Looking forward to see this.
     
  47. b|lly

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    Me too, thou i fear it might be a MBA clone, which i dont like, because of lack of performance.

    But hey, sony made a super job with Z serie, so lets keep our minds open, they might surprise us big time.
     
  48. Phil

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    Going by those dimensions, it's half the size of a MBA.

    Edit: R series is bigger though. MBA lack of performance? 1.86Ghz C2D with Nvidia 9400M. That's a lot faster than TT.
     
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    So no pocketable U series replacement then? I was expecting this in Q1 sometime.

    Are we sure of the series names P and R designates - e.g. Isn't R series a desktop??
     
  50. b|lly

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    Hm...this is odd. I always had in mind that MBA is based on inegrated GPU and low voltage CPU. My bad :/
     
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