New VAIO P coming 9th of January

I don't think it's possible. In size the Vaio P is a small, very light and thin netbook.

For a ULV Core 2 Duo they would need substantial airflow and fans. This would make it thicker and consume more power.

This is probably the reason why they choose the Atom 1.33. It stays cool without fans.

We can all wish they had used Core 2 ULV or Dual Core Atom, but I think Sony knows what they are doing, and they are probably already pushing borders.

 

I am sure the screen on this machine will be as awesome as on any sony laptop.

Thou the price is still rather low IMO, I dont believe it will be that low. I'd say 800-900 with that specs, and 1200+ if core solo.

Battery life depends on the size of it, but i am guessing it will be ~6h with standard and over 10 with extended. Thou they could easilly push it to 20 with a monster battery, but then we have a factor of size and weight.

 

Sony G11 has a Core Solo 1.33, it has pretty agressive fans on load. So I don't think it will be an option.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4036

 

I looked online and i read on a couple of sites that the TDP for the 1.6 atom was 8 watts. I just had a look on the Intel website and i read that the 1.6 atom has a 2.5 TDP. I find this a bit hard to believe but maybe it is true?

If that is the case i wonder what the TDP is for the 1.33 atom.

 

Well...its awfull CPU, so anything is possible

 

Anyway...here it is:

http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupID=35466

TDP: 2W

 

Intel would be the source to trust. But Intel may be referring to the TDP of the CPU only, while those websites may be referring to the TDP of the chipset and CPU.

While TDP is a useful rating, I believe it's just an indication.

 

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I do believe it i am just a little surprised i never knew that it was quite that low. I thought that the Core Solo ULV might have the advantage still even. 2.5 though that is really very good when it comes to energy efficiency.

Anyway i am interested in finding out about the total power consumption for both of those processors and parts.

 

No need to wait for 1/9, there is a press conference in Taipei on 1/8. That means if the conference is held at 10:00 AM Taipei time then it is 02:00 AM (1/8) in London.
Picture is from www.mobile01.com

 

More VAIO P specs leak out

1.33GHz Atom Z250
2GB DDR2 Ram
SSD or HDD
GPS
3G

http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/01/new-sony-umpc-info-includes-specs-and-a-sub-1000-price:
"The first CES press events are on the 6th Jan with the Sony ‘invitation only’ Press event planned for 4:15pm on Press day, the 7th in Las Vegas".

 

bah, the P series info leaks, but nothing about the new walkman touchscreen, :/

 

John Ratsey may have some ideas.

Another way would be to compare the power draw of Sony G11 and Samsung NC10. I haven't checked it but I believe it's very similar.

 

Phil i was thinking more on how the 1.6 atom compares to the 1.33 atom processor. The power consumption has also been mentioned as the reason why Sony went with the 1.33 over the 1.6 drive. The power consumption of both of these processors i believe maybe 2.5. As you said though other things may also be at play.
I doubt it but maybe Sony was trying to keep costs down a little. Or maybe because the specs differ from some other netbooks they had to go for that CPU? I don't know.
Anyway we don't know for sure yet if these are the final specs.

 

You know OQO is launching with an 1.86 atom processor at the same time, ok not a directly comparable machine because no doubt the OQO will be more expensive, but why only a 1.33? It can't be battery otherwise OQO would have made that decision as its as important to them as well around battery life I'd have thought

 

Rach, don't know if you are aware of it but as far as I understand TDP represents the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate. It doesn't necessarily equate to the actual power consumption of the CPU.

It might have to do with cooling and battery life. The Sony may be so small and thin that they couldn't keep the 1.86 cool.

About the batterylife, one manufacturer may be happy with 4 hours, the other one wants 7.

But who knows, Sony may release a 1.86GHz version too. We haven't seen any official announcement yet.

 

Phil i am aware of the max TDP.
I just come across this table on the Intel website this shows the max TDP for the different intel atom processors.
Intel states that the 1.33 processor has a max TDP of 2 and the 1.6 N270 processor has a max TDP of 2.5. Now in my opinion that does not seem like a real valid reason to chose one over the other for power consumption. Maybe there is still more to it though. I believe that the N270 is used in a lot of netbooks at the moment.

 

As I understand TDP does not really say anything about power consumption. It seems like you treat TDP as an accurate indication of power consumption.

An Atom clocked at 1.6GHz will consume more power than an Atom clocked at 1.33GHz. Even though both have exactly the same TDP.

 

Let's scrutinise the datasheets....

N270:
The operating voltage ranges from 0.75V to 1.10V
The maximum current at HFM (1.6GHz) = 3A
IDSLP LFM: 0.8 GHz @ 0.75 – 1.00 Volts =0.6A
IDPRSLP ICC Deeper Sleep (C4) = 0.2A

Z250:
• Supports new CMOS FSB signaling for reduced power
• Intel® Deep Power-Down Technology (C6)
• New Split-VTT support for lowest processor power state

The operating voltage ranges from 0.75V to 1.10V
The maximum current at 1.33GHz (HFM) = 2.5A
The maximum current at 800MHz (LFM) = 1.25A
IDSLP ICC Deep Sleep LFM: 0.6 – 0.8 GHz @ 0.85 Volts = 0.4A
IDPRSLP ICC Deeper Sleep (C4) = 0.2A

So it looks like the Z250 may save around 0.5W when operating and a bit less when sleeping. it includes a new C6 power power state:

There appears to be a new chipset to go with the Z series CPU.

We can also expect this to use less power than the chipset with the N270.

My conclusion is that Sony probably opted for the 1.33GHz chip because of supply uncertainties more than for power considerations (the datasheet shows the 1.6GHz chip should draw the same current - I attach the relevant page from the data sheet.)

Hope this helps,

John

 

Thanks for shedding some light on this John.

From what I understood Z520 Z530 are often identical CPUs, just labeled different by Intel. If they are identical, wouldn't that imply that, in real life, the one running at 1.6GHz would draw a little more power than the 1.3GHz? That's what I assumed. Just like the Atom N270 in the NC10 draws a little less power if you clock it down, I think.

I understand Intel's specifications may not show it, but it's pretty common that the manufacturer's specification can differ from real life.

Still I wouldn't be surprised if Sony will use 1.6Ghz and 1.86Ghz Atoms anyway, as the differences in power consumption will be small I expect.

 

But we've seen it on the Sony site with 1.33 , that's were this discussion started out, so seems unlikely to have 1.6 or 1.86. Though there could be more than one model eventually

 

They are all the same silicon but get labelled after testing. Probably only a limited number of the chips will run at 1.6GHz within the specified maximum current drain so they may be hard to get and more expensive.

John

 

Yep like yourself ascariss i am waiting for this new Sony touchscreen walkman.
I currently have a Sony M77 (Which was released in China and has a nice 4.3 inch screen) and am waiting for a new Sony media player with a nice large screen.

I was hoping that the new P series would be similar to the C1 Vaio series, which i know it isn't, doh! I loved the C1 series, i had a C1MSX. I would consider buying it again, but it would have to have a faster processor, more RAM and a bigger HD.....................heres to wish that Sony will make it one day.

 

If this little thing really costs 700€ (w TAX) it will surely be a winner.

 

BTW, there is no info about the display yet?

 

The 700 euros is the european price, which we all know should not be converted Euro per dollar for the North American price because usually most Sony products are more expensive in Europe than in US. I am still going with the 800 dollars US price.

 

Half right then. It's still going to crawl on the Atom. I'm betting my year+ old UX's will outpower these machines.

 

8" 1600*768 was speculated.

 

Yes..but...

 

Someone on another thread said the 1.3 Atom can't use 2gb, they were quoting an Engadget discussion but didn't give the link

 

Doesn't seem so interesting anymore...Here's a link:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/02/more-vaio-p-specs-leak-out/

Nearly $1000 for an Atom CPU, 2GB RAM, standard HDD with the option of an SSD...not worth the price!

 

Quite an old news mate, sorry.

 

Normally if a sony costs 700 euros in Europe, it costs about $700 in US, roughly.

Laptops are more expensive in Europe.

 

True. Because europe have big TAX, while USA dont. And some other reasons too, like bigger market, etc...

 

Let's at least wait for the release before panning it wholly

 

700 seems too cheap for sony. and this laptop seems too excusive to be less then 1k

just my thoughts

 

I think the main reason isn't taxes, but that Europe has consumer protection, including mandatory warranty lengths and terms far exceeding what you get in the US.
Including, in many countries, a mandatory 2 year warranty and limited reclamations up to the expected life time of the product. Plus being able to take a broken item that's under manufacturer's warranty to the store it was bought, and it becomes that store's responsibility to arrange for repairs and pay shipping costs. These things cost money, and the consumers pay up front for the extra consumer protection they get.

Oh, and certifications including TUV, CE, BS, NEMKO and others are also needed. Getting a TUV certification, for example, is far from the rubberstamping that UL and FCC is -- the components are actually tested.

Then there's multi-language support and manuals, and often customized keyboards.

 

I don't know what it is, but somehow Sony is way overpriced here, while Asus is relatively affordable compared to the US.

 

CE is rubber stamping...
The company agrees to comply with certain standards and therefore may place the CE sign on its products...
TÜV is testing - that is correct.

 

I doubt it is consumer protection that increase the prices, but indeed the European higher prices are due to the costs associated with the sellers. One thing I might add is that if you don't live in Europe, the P will seem a far more attractive netbook.

 

the launch is so close but we still don't know exactly what mistery feature the new P will have to deserve all this hype.

 

Actually "the hype" was here, because of sony .au, which had a pretty hardcore add.

 

Not to mention that CE also stands for "China Export", with a logo that's confusingly (and intentionally so) similar to CE... Yep, that's a pretty useless one.

But TUV marking is a must for being able to sell a device in Europe in general, and Germany in particular. While it doesn't denote "top quality", at least it means that it has been tested and the quality requirements met. Which is why I look for the TUV mark on what I buy even here in the US, where it's not required. Much like buying a bottle of wine with "QbA" on it doesn't ensure that it's going to taste good, at least it shouldn't be swill.

 

Will the new refresh for the rest of Sony notebooks be announced on the same day? I have seen some new refresh from Sony Support site and third party stores but they have not been listed at SonyStyle Online Store.

 

I think the refresh announcements will flow out slowly, but like you said, you can see basically what's coming in the refresh on resellers websites right now.

Only a few more days! Yay!

 

hmm, well there is that 'R' model still which is very similar in size to the TT, so perhaps a refresh of the TT is due as well?

 

Is there anything to look forward to besides a high-resolution display?

 

I'm guessing the weight will be - like no other.

 

The bottoms of PCG-4R1L and VAIO TT are quite similar
http://www.netbook3g.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sony-pcg-4r1l-label-location-t.jpg
http://support.vaio.sony.de/tutorials/memory/memory.asp?site=voe_de_DE_cons&c=-1&s=-1&m=6957

So is it really a new series or just a TT with GPS?

 

Indeed, I posted the dimensions and it was noted by someone that the size was quite similar to the TT.

 

TT and AW are actually the only models that did not get refresh yet, so maybe its just a refresh of TT.