Sony TT Announced

It doesn't look to bad but thats thinking posotive.. it makes the tz look a lot better i must say...

 

btw has it been released yet or what? where have people got picds from

 

now it hasn't just announced they will be available around mid October. The base models will be around 2k if you want blu ray min will be 2700. and around 4400 for blu ray and ssd raid 256gb

 

The URL has been posted before...
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665511248

 

Hmm... I don't think I like the look either. It's like a bad cross between an FW (and I don't like the look of the FW) and a netbook. Also the carbon fiber weave just doesn't seem to fit well with it's rounded, toy-like appearance.

I have a feeling the Z is going to become really popular for Sony as TZ and SZ owners start upgrading to it. With such a small weight difference between the TZ and Z, I doubt the TT will be nearly as successful as the TZ.

 

This way of reasoning is in line with mine. Hope Sony learns quickly from these many negative feedbacks, and presents a brand new T series very very soon. This Dell-like crap is not what we expect from Sony´s designers. The TT reminds me most of a toy-like computer, with regard to its design.

Sympatically intended negative feedback is worth GOLD, and Sony should listen immediately and change its course with regard to the T models.

Perhaps a good solution would be to make a bit smaller (and MUCH MORE elegant) machine again, but with a big enough footprint to make touch writing possible and with a big enough right shift key, located in the same manner as the TT, not "hided" in the keyboard, like MSI Wind for instance. And please give us again a white option.

 

Well at least it's not that bad

 

The TT really isn't that bad, but to me if they really want to make a stunning ultraportable, marry the X505 with the sensibilities of the T series (i.e. with a DVD or BR drive) and you've got a winner. That would be a real stick in the craw of, say, the Macbook Air and you'd have a much bigger distinction between the TZ/TT and the Z. Sony's got overlap - much moreso than they ever have in their notebook line - and it's going to hurt, not help them.

 

I'm a little surprised that people are THIS dismayed about the design. I agree it doesn't look as nice as the TZ, but for those of you tossing up between the Z and the TT was it really a matter of which looks the best?

If you were considering a T series surely it was because of the small size and exceptional battery life, something I'm sure the TT will still have over other models.

What I'm interested in is whether or not they've beefed up the construction a bit. I've never damaged my TZ but like many owners the thinness and flexiness of the screen has me handling it very carefully all the time. TT kinda looks sturdier, though it really is impossibly to tell.

 

bmoc: It's not just the looks. It's the looks, combined with the weight. I think after Sony released the incredibly light 3.3 pound Vaio Z (replacing the 4.0 pound SZ), everyone was kind of expecting a similar weight decrease of the TZ to keep up with the new generation of laptops (for example, the 12" Dell E4200 weighs 2.2 pounds, surely Sony could at least match that weight with this 11" laptop?)

 

When you use premium materials it is hard to decrease weight.

 

Well, the whole point of carbon is to decrease weight. The G weighs in under the TZ/TT ... so it can be done.

 

make it weigh like the X505

 

I agree, the Z is half-way between the TZ and SZ in size and weight, with more power than the SZ ever had. I was umming and ahhhing for so long between the two, but now it's upgrade time and it's a no brainer.

That said, I really like the TT in carbon black. I think you'll see an iteration soon with blackened chrome around the edges and normal flat black paint. Think about the style evolution of the SZ from a silvery mish-mash to all black.

 

Yes, I remember that, I hope the TT/Z can be refreshed to be all black like the SZ had.

One reason is the E4200 lacks an optical drive unlike the TT.

 

I just looked up Dell E4200. It is obviously larger because of a bigger screen. But, it is not really 2.2 lbs, because it does not include a dvd drive.

 

While I don't like the TT's look compared to TZ or Z, the fact that Sony changed the LCD hinge -- exactly where TZ has trouble and is being recalled -- to silver/chrome does make me wonder if there are engineering reason behind it...

Still, I will forgive Sony if they just throw in some light color casing options, like violet or silver...

 

is it me or does the Z look alot better now after seeing the TT?

 

Funny you should mention that - I was thinking exactly the same thing!

 

Well, for me, the pictures of Z do look better now because its grey is much better than the silver in TT (let alone the syling cues).

In person? I think Z looks awesome, even better than a pure-black TZ with standard battery, as the dark grey is not really reflective and does not stand-out from the black in the other parts of the notebook -- I will still give the pure-black TZ with light-weight battery a slightly higher score in the looks department because of its shape and lines, though .

I doubt TT would change that much if I see it in person, but maybe we will be surprised...

 

Maybe this same designer designed the Dell XPS M1330 & M1530 laptops as well!?!?!

 

To the experts, I have a question. Is the HDMI output going to be standard on all TT models or is it going to be restricted to TT models that have got Blu-ray drives? By the way, are we going to be able to output from the HDMI-out port if we're not watching a blu-ray movie or something? As in just working on stuff like Excel or surfing the internet....

 

Yeah, it's not just you guys, I feel the same way. BTW, I am guessing the SSDs are MLC and not SLC. If they are SLC, the premium price would absolutely be justified.

 

HDMI ports work similarly to DVI ports and you should be able to use it to connect to any external display that supports HDMI and standard HD resolutions. I've used it on my Z to extend my desktop onto my TV.

 

Yeah Dell has this habit of mentioning "starting weights". This is often articially low. Real weight is quite a bit higher.

Like here with the E6400: http://www.notebookreview.com/revie...D=1&productReviewID=5122&productFamilyID=1157

 

i'm still annoyed that the australian version has been dumbed down - i really can only think that is because electronics cost more here, but to not offer the SSD here at all when we have SSD on the TZ just defies belief to me.

i still don't like the design - now i've seen the gold and i think it looks awful - well the photos do. its entirely possible the TT looks much better in person.

i was really hoping the TT would wow me but it leaves me disappointed, for me the TZ is much nicer and will do me fine. hopefully the white is still at the store!
will still be interested to see how the white TT will look but i guess it would take at least 3 months to possibly eventuate

 

You cannot use the E6400 example to demonstrate similar deception on Dell's part for the E4200 because it doesn't have the 'starting weight potential' like its larger sibling. For example, the E6400 has a blank weight saver that goes where the optical drive is. Conveniently, that's how they start off on the weight along with the lowest capacity battery which may or may not be useful for road warriors. That bay can be used for the drive as well as an extra battery, significantly increasing the E6400's weight.

The E4200's weight cannot be increased except by switching batteries and due to its ULV CPU, it is perfectly usable for 4+ hours with the four cell battery that comes standard. The 2.2lbs is very much on target. The only argument to be made here is that the E4200 has neither the optical drive, nor a camera (negligible) nor a larger capacity battery built-in. On the other hand, the screen is larger though the resolution is lower. However, for most of us, it's a perfectly functional machine as is, though I really wish it had a camera. In my opinion, the E4200 looks better than the TT, at least in the pics. OMG, I said this in the Sony forum. Kill me now!

 

I was waiting to see the refresh of the TZ before pulling the trigger to any laptop. Now that I saw the TT and comparing prices and specs, I ordered a Z yesterday night. I took also the extended battery so I will have also a great battey life.

 

Did anyone else notice that the design looks very similar to the vaio TX? (The shape of the LCD and the right at the back of the keyboard.) I thought they would go forwards in the design, not backwards...

http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/news/sony/vaio_tx3_01_c.jpg
http://news.idealo.co.uk/wp-content...-tt-series-netbook-blue-ray-disc-hd-front.jpg

 

Well in my opinion Dell' starting weight for E6400 was incorrect. Even with all the weight saving options. Sure the E4200 will be closer to the advertised weight, but how close is the question. I've seen Dell pull of tricks many times.

We'll have to wait for the reviews to see who is right. I want to see a working E4200 on a scale.

Sony is usually very honest about weights.

 

great news! .. i was waiting for something like this! now Z or TT ?

 

Haha, I won't kill you, but you definitely need to see an eye doctor...

I think E4200 is a good machine (it's still butt ugly for my taste), but when we are arguing about the weight there are a couple things to note.

First, a DVD drive easily weighs in at 0.2 lb, which when you are counting 0.01 lb here and there it becomes a big factor.

Second, you don't just throw a bare DVD drive inside the casing and expect it to work. You need structure to hold it securely and a couple of screws, at a minimum, and all these weights add up. Not to mention volume for the DVD and structure so that increase your material used on the bottom case.

Same goes for the camera -- the camera maybe light, but you need to beef up the top case structure around it so you don't lose case strength, which will increase your weight much more than the actual camera weight.

And of course, you have covered the battery yourself. While it is still unknown about TT, TZ does have light-weight battery in Japan that allows you to bring a SSD-equiped, DVD-less TZ down to 970 gram.

Anyway, I think TZ is quite an achievement and now Lenovo, Apple, Dell, and others have definitely come close to it, but TT, as of now, does not seem to be such a big improvement over TZ in the portability and looks department so it may not hold such an edge as TZ did. We will see. I am still hopeful for the violet TT...

 

I really liked the TZ. Its a pity I couldn't keep the one I had, but it was a very nice looking laptop. The TT, not so much. The rounded corners look stupid and so does the chromed plastic trim, just makes it look cheap.

I might be getting a TZ if prices drop enough.

 

Same here. For some reason, I actually like the TT design better than the TZ design. I guess this is once again subjective.

 

Yeah, I don't see why everyone's so upset with the TT design, I think it's fine... but that's just me. At any rate I think it's hard to really judge how something looks till you see it in person.

 

Does anyone know when the TZ would probably get discontinued? I don't think that Sony announces when a series is going to be discontinued; but with its "replacement" right around the corner, how long does it have left on the Sonystyle site?

 

TZ owner here, interested in TT now
Since this last little debacle with having to send off my cherished TZ to the "Depot" for the refit of the wiring, I have once again began to look around at what I can get to replace it. The Z has caught my eye and now the TT. The TT features are outstanding and IMHO , the case style is a retrograde from the crisp line of the TZ
We have several SONY notebooks in our home. I see the stylists in action.
The TT has the rounded lines of the original S series and the Z carries the lines of the SZ
I am in awe of a SSD of 256 capacity, after experiencing the blazing speed of the TZ with its puny 32
I want to see a TT in person to see and touch the keyboard , doubtful though...

 

As long as Sony has stock, they'll sell it. Look at the SZ - they just pretty much got rid of stock. I would be shocked if once the TT hits the stores that the TZ is long for this world. Given the announcement just happened and the TT is shipping next month, I'd say you have 30 - 60 days, maybe 90.

 

TZ is no longer available in Sonystyle store in Toronto for about 2 months now.

 

if your good you can score a TZ for cheap right now since they are phazing them out

 

Good Eye, it's pretty much the same casing lol

 

The lid and the case have a more matte feel and look to them than the TZ, and also a much more solid and firm feeling case. I'm torn on the chrome parts, but the case over all feels much better, and the lettering on the keys on the keyboard are much brighter and easier to read than they were on the old TZ.

 

Going through the specification lists of the TT models in the following link:

http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcategory/notebooks/ultra_portable/tt-series

I realized that only the TT models with Blu-Ray optical drive have got HDMI-output port. TT models without Blu-Ray optical drive do not have HDMI-output port. Maybe I'm wrong. Is anyone about to confirm this?

 

hmmm this model TT190NIB has a HDMI output according to its specs and it doesn't look like a blu-ray version
its the very bottom one on that page

 

I would take those specs with a grain of salt. Sony USA is not very good with their website information. Wait till they have PDF specs link on the side, which tends to be a little bit more accurate than the specs shown in HTML -- yeah, completely weird, but it's true, because you would think they would just copy and paste from the PDF to the HTML and both would be correct or wrong at the same time...

 

I believe all new TTs come with HDMI because the new Intel integrated graphics chip supports it unlike the old TZs

 

Not Sure if this was posted already, but it has some pricing info, although it may not be final (it is an odd price).

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665511248

 

yah it has been posted before thanks anyway

 

OMG tell me this isn't sexy
http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/TZlimited/
thats the TZ 505 special edition released only in Japan

 

Old news and long out of print - it came out last year I believe and was around $5k.