Chrome OS

Ok buddy. lol.

When this revolution takes place and Chrome takes off, send me a PM.

 

Ha.

What's great is that while I've brought up multiple examples of how google's taken unknown products and marketed them to the point where they're a dominating force... you've basically shown nothing to prove that ChromeOS will go the way of linux netbooks.

I'll be sure to send that PM...

 

Man. I try to get out and you gotta pull me back in. Alright.

What you're saying is so biased it's crazy. So if you market something people will buy it? No matter what it is, ha? So what happened to the Kin? The Pre? Eventually, people have to actually buy it and use it. And when they do, for no other reason than the cheaper cost, and find that it can't do all the things Windows can, they are going to send it back. Just like what happened with Linux. People bought Linux netbooks and went home happily thinking they got a steal. Popped it open and started looking for their taskbar and start menu. Same thing will happen with Chrome.

A browser IN an OS. Yes. But not just a browser by itself. People want programs. Not web apps. If what you're saying is true, the Linux netbook would have taken off. People bought it because it's cheaper and then everyone who bought it returned the bloody thing. There would have been continued demand for Linux based netbooks. You're saying the Linux netbook failed because there weren't enough commercials. No. The Linux netbook failed because people want Windows on their machines.

Just because people know about Chrome doesn't mean they will take it over a Windows based netbook. Besides, more people know Windows...lol.

You can't compare Android to Chrome. Different animal. Android is a full-fledged mobile OS. It makes sense why it took off. There, yes, marketing most definitely helped, but the marketing was backed up by a very good OS. When you have a great product and add great marketing, you have a winner on your hands. But you can market a useless product all you want, but at some point, well, there has to be some quality to the product. If people don't like it, that marketing will count for nothing.

Google TV is/was? being marketed pretty heavily, but once again, it's stupid. It hasn't taken off and it won't.

So because Android worked for Google, that means Chrome will work? That's your other argument? lol.

I've shown nothing to prove that Chrome will go the way of Linux netbooks? How can I prove it? lol. It's not even released yet. But the logic is very very simple. Why would a person buy a Chrome netbook over a Windows netbook? The price. There are no other advantages. Anything you can do on a Chrome OS you can do with Chrome on a Windows PC, lol, and much much more. So we are back to the price. What's the price difference going to be? $50? I doubt any more. Look at the prices of Linux netbooks vs Windows netbooks...there's really not much there. You can find both at similar prices.
Who is going to take a Chrome netbook over a Windows netbook? You really think your average user will? Na man.

Heck, would you? You got one netbook for $300 with Chrome and a Windows netbook for $350, you're really telling me you will go with Chrome?

Like I said, if they push it for $50? Ya, those are going to sell like crazy. Maybe $100.

Also, you say Google is sending out machines...lol. How many are they sending out? To people who signed up for their newsletters? I'm sure the average mom/pop are going to receive it. Heck, I hope they don't, because first problem they are going to run into is that they don't have a gmail account and they have to go sign up for one on their Windows machine...haha.

 

Absolutely =p I hate one sided arguments...

I agree that marketing alone won't do a whole lot. The kin is the perfect example, microsoft sunk a ton of money into it and failed miserably. What you have to ask yourself is: what can windows do that Chrome OS can't? And make sure you're thinking purely on a netbook... and for netbook users.

Linux and its distros are about the LEAST user friendly things out there. They're ridiculously difficult to use or adapt to without already having a background, especially for the average user.

As for looking for familiar things like the taskbar, they'll have that. If you look oat Chrome OS demos it's all just like the browser, you have tabs and everything is very simple. You have an app store, just like a smart phone, which we know is a hit on smartphone OS's.

Again, show me how Chrome OS is any less than Windows. The nice thing about operating systems is they're very subjective when you try to see which is better and that leaves a lot of room for marketing. Google is also just far better at marketing than microsoft, to briefly go back to the Kin point.

Not my argument, an example. Android was unheard of... it's a nice operating system and Google enhanced it and marketed it. I could say the same thing about Chromium browser, which is a nice browser... but they added a ton to it and marketed it. These are just examples of thigns that google has taken from nothing and turned into something...

Would I buy one? If I wanted a netbook sure. The price difference... I don't know what it'll be yet. It's hard to say what they'll mark it up as. The fact is taht netbooks are for taking notes and watchign videos and going online... windows does it, chrome does it too... chrome just cuts out all of the support for thigns that netbooks can't do because they're limited by hardware.

They're sending out 60,000 I believe. Anyone can apply for one. And to use cloud features you need to sync to gmail, just like you'd need to sync to a Windows Live account, which is a lot more annoying to set up. And they'd be perfectly capable of signing up for one on their chrome machine obviosuly lol

Really it's impossible to say how things will turn out. Google TV is a good point... although frankly that was a bit of a gamble, google TV was going into a very new market, and it's the market that failed not the product... I would say operating systems are a pretty well established market by comparison.

 

I looked back in this thread, seems like you been going all out for a while now..haha.

Thinking purely for a netbook? My man, people buy netbooks and want them to do everything a normal laptop does. That’s what they expect. Why can’t you understand this? Acer might only want you to check your email on a netbook, but people who buy a netbook want to do everything that their main machine does. If they only wanted to check their mail, well, that’s where tablets come in. Heck, that’s where phones come in. That’s the issue with ChromeOS that Google isn’t getting and neither are you. Netbooks are going instinct in that capacity. Dual-core CPUs are hitting and have hit. The specs are going up. Why? Because people want a good Windows experience. If we were still on those Via spec’d netbooks, then you might be onto something. AMD is going to enter the market with more powerful CPUs with GPUs, and that’s going to push Intel even more.

Most users out there have never used Chrome. It’s not familiar. People are open to using a new OS on a phone. People on a netbook/notebook, want Windows.

Regarding what Chrome can’t do compared to a Windows machine, since you didn’t single out netbooks this time. I want to install Office. I want to work offline. I want to play a game. I could go on and on. Please don’t try and argue that anything you can do on Chrome, you can do on Windows, because Google themselves won’t say that.

Ya, Google took Android and ran with it. A lot of people and companies have succeeded at one endeavor only to fail at another.

If you would buy one? Well, you’re going to be pretty lonely. Lol.
Hardware capability on netbooks is only increasing. Again, a year ago? You might be onto something. But the line between netbook/notebook is really blurred now. Most netbooks have 10in+ screens. If Chrome hit at the onset of the netbook when they still crawled with Via CPUs, they may have been onto something then. But hardware capabilities will only increase, we know this to be the truth. Chrome will continue to be limited in what it can do compared to Windows. Therein lies another problem.

Anyone can apply for one, sure. Does the average consumer even know the CR-48 or whatever is out though? I mean, come on man. They are sending it out to tech geeks and journalists. Their questionnaire or whatever says as much.

Aha. But that’s the beauty with Windows, I don’t have to sign up for anything. Mom and pop can use their comcast email account. They want their pictures saved on their hard drive. They don’t want to have to connect to the net to see them. And no, if you don’t have a gmail account, you have to go and use a Windows machine to sign up for one. I guess you haven’t heard, but you can’t sign up for a gmail account on the machine Google is sending out. Now obviously, this will change….but, that’s another step you don’t have to take on a Windows machine. Most people already have their email address, they don’t want another one.

And Chrome isn’t a gamble? Microsoft Os’ are very well established. Too well established as far as Chrome is concerned. That’s the problem. For all intents and purposes, it is a very new market.

Oh, and seems like you can get a netbook with a Via chip with linux on it for $200 and an Atom based netbook (atom>via) for $260. That's the difference at best, that's going to be between ChromeOS and Windows. Pop hears one has Chrome for $200, gets told he needs to be connected online all the time and all of it's limitations, and then hears for $260 he can get Windows (which he knows) and do whatever his other machine can do. What's he going to get?

Just like before with Linux, he's going to get the Windows machine. And those Linux systems had those nice looking quickOS type covers that were actually very simple to use. And that's what ChromeOS basically is. Oh right, but with a lot more marketing. Well, marketing can only get you so far....see GoogleTV, Kin , Pre.

 

@Hungry Man: I think the distinction between Android and Chome OS is exactly what you said - the OS market is already established.

At the time of Android's release, the smartphone OS market was still wide open. There was the iPhone's OS for iPhones, Blackberry OS for Blackberries, Symbian (even then a dying platform), and Windows Mobile. The smartphone world had the hardware, they just needed a good multi-platform OS to unify many different companies. For this need, Android delivered, and it's been (generally speaking) a success.

The OS market, however, is already established. Macs have their OS, and Windows machines from the budget basic to the advanced workstation are already unified under one OS with great compatibility. The applications that will install and run on one Windows machine will (generally) run on another. Consumers don't want or need anything more at the moment, and it'll take a lot to try to convince them otherwise.

Personally, I'm not too keen on the whole cloud idea. I like the idea that things will be synced, but I don't like the idea of data storage in the cloud. I want my programs, my pictures, my data on my computers, backed up on my network. Why should I store them in the cloud? To share with others? I'll choose what I want to share, and make them available if I need to. I'm ready to give the idea a chance, but I don't see the same vision for the cloud that its loudest activists see.

Of course, if I got my hands on the CR-48 Chrome OS netbook, I'd give it a chance to change my mind (hint, hint, Google ).

EDIT: nu_D beat me to it!

 

When people by netbooks I certainly hope they aren't expecting to be able to play games, and if they DO expect it they'll be very disappointed. Hardware is improving... what's your point? A large part of that is marketing. Tell someone they need a hecta-core processor and they'll want to shell out the cash for it.

And netbooks line processors are going an entirely different direction. The atom line isn't trying to add more cores and it doesn't follow the same tick-tock as other processor lines do. Instead the atom line is all about die shrinking and energy savings, not necessarily about performance. But of course performance plays a role, we want to be able to open programs fast... I just don't see how that's relevant?

a) I want to make it clear that in this topic I'm always talking about netbooks, sometimes I just like to remind users of that...
b)Office? Done. Microsoft has an app for Chrome. Dont' like microsoft and want a 3rd party app? Google docs.
Want to work offline? You're joking right... of course you can work offline...
Games? Well gee, I welcome you to try to run games on a dual core atom at 1.6ghz and integrated graphics... but feel free to check the app store for Plants vs Zombies/ other games that will run low.

You're confused. I know a few people who have gotten it... they're just people. One is a college student, the other guy is unemployed... neither know much about computers. The questionnaire says nothing of the sort. Maybe you're confused because blogs tend to receive new tech pro-bono as a way of getting the word out there, google has done this and various blogs have received them (pcworld for example)

Yes, their alpha machine doesn't allow you to... you said yourself that's not an issue. I'm not talking about the cr-48 OS I'm takling about full fledged Chrome OS. Obviously that won't be an issue when it comes out.

This is a cloud based operating machine, no one would ever argue that it isn't. You do have to sign up for an account to use it, just with literally any cloud program. I know my mother just made the switch to gmail... she was able to set it up all on her own including having her own aol account sync to it.

But ask yourself, are old people really going to be buying these? Possibly, but unlikely. Netbooks have always been aimed at students as a cheap way to take notes in class. Students are much more accepting of change... and I'm sure could handle going to gmail.com

Is it a pain? I don't think so... you might... many other people might. I don't think everyone will.

Certainly, Windows is practically a monopoly... it's certainly not easy to enter the game. Good thing they're not competing for the same market. While they are both OSs they're targeting different people... or in different ways. Microsoft targets everyone, they're trying to have the most function packed OS, for netbooks, for laptops, for desktops. There's no version that's made for any of those specifically though and it's just made to run on anything.

Chrome OS is just going for netbooks where arguably most of microsofts features go to waste. You can't do everything you can do on a desktop on your netbook.

60 bucks when you're buying a budget computer (which netbooks often are) is quite a lot to consider. You realize that 60 dollars is more than a quarter of 200 right? That's 25% off... not a bad sale.

Limitations? Again... there's offline mode. It's not as if the computer won't turn on when you're not connected to the internet. Sure pop, who I assume is old?, might go with Windows. Google won't care much... they're targeting students... students who grew up on the internet, using google since they were children.

Phew end of your post lol "Marketing is the most powerful force in the universe" ~ Einstein. Not that you should take him at his word, but I feel he puts that nicely. You can't market ... so googletv failed... they had no idea it would be because no other product had been tested in that market.

Oh gosh another post >.< lol I think I covered your first half... I'll just reply to the second. I'm cooking.

That's a very complex preference most people wouldn't know the first thing about. They hear "all your files are safely lifted into the cloud" and they're all good. You already choose what you want to share with cloud...

And I think a much more interesting idea behind cloud is not storage but computing. Cloud computer really seems like the future... I'd like to find the link and show you but I don't have the time BUT cloud gaming is basically where you take a ty laptop and it can play games due to cloud computer (all of the heavy work is done in the cloud by the fast server and the computer only has to do the end work)

I personally love cloud... I love having a dropbox account and I love having an email system! =p Same with text messaging, voicemail... all of these features are cloud based and I'm being told it's not the future? I suppose in some sense that's true, can't be the future if I've been using it for years.

Anyway, I won't try to sell you on it. My goal is only to inform. For instance: you thought you coudln't work offline or use microsoft office. The reason I came into this topic is because a LOT of people don't realize that neither of those thigsn are true.

I don't work for google... I won't try to sell you an operating system =p I just want to make sure people aren't spreading false rumors.

 

@Hungry_Man

How much you paid for the Chrome based machine ? In what way it can beat my 230 bucks Netbook with Windows 7 Home Premium ?

Are you saying Chrome OS can run Microsoft Office ? If that is the case, I would be very much interested to see how it does that.

 

I haven't bought any machine... so it would be hard to say.

I am curious to know what you use your netbook for? If you wouldn't mind... just like... list your daily programs?

 

Honestly, I didn't even bother reading it...lol. It's reached the point where you are trying to convince everyone that a circle is a square...man, you must love Google. Heck, I got Google stock and I'm not that blind in their support.

It's cool though. Whatever floats your boat.
You been going at this long enough, I'm sure someone will take my place. Don't have the time or care to go 100 rounds with someone clearly very enthusiastic about such a thing.

I'll be waiting for that PM. If it ever reaches over 10% market share in the netbook space, let me know...

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jdbcdbdkiaadpbkggggekjcpmgjekkke

Knock yourself out.

My internet is REALLY crapping out... I'm not sure if that's the official microsoft web-app. Anyway, microsoft does have an official app for office, excel, and some other ones. It's confirmed and there's a video of it... I'd gladly post it if I could browse right now lmao

it's on google's youtube channel I believe

"You're blind"
"I won't read your post"

Irony is oh so delicious on the internet

Anyway, as I said. I'm not trying to convince. My purpose in this topic was to point out the various flaws in arguments against it/ inform people who may be confused (no microsoft, no offline, etc) as well as others.

 

It would be used as a low cost travelling device. I don't want to bring a full size notebook when I am travelling. It would be used for simple browsing(I believe 80% of the time), very occasional office document(urgent work matters) editing and leisure video watching and may be RDP to my work/home machine(for really high security stuff).

That is not running microsoft office, completely different thing.

Even OpenOffice is a long way behind Microsoft Office, let alone those 'online' version.

 

Ok so in your case I would say... what is windows 7 bringing to the table taht Chrome OS isn't?

You spend 80% of your time on the internet... that's literally the userbase that they're aiming for lol

office is fully supported in it, it has built in video players, and I don't know what RDP is =p so I can't tell you lol

So to answer your question, I would say Chrome OS does everything you want it to do without the apps that you won't use... and no viruses.

It's obviously your decision.

Ohand it would save you 20 bucks lol

Must have been the wrong link. I'll go ahead and fish the youtube channel since I see you guys are going to need proof... it may take me a few minutes. There is a legitimate office program, made by microsoft for Chrome OS.

 

20 bucks for something I don't know what it is vs a proven OS that is 100% the same on desktop, notebook, server ?

Linux also does everything I want(and it is at least proven with a huge community) and I personally knows a lot about linux including hacking it into Xbox or a WRT54G or managing my VPS hosting 5000 Miles away but I would not carry a linux machine with me as my personal device.

 

Will it run MS Office? I know alot of netbooks run Microsoft office. Will... - gdgt

My intenret is too slow for youtube videos right now. ArmpitOfDeath here will just have to vouch for me

"Chrome OS will run Office 2010 for the web" "Microsoft are building a cut-down version of Office fort he web... which allows for 'format-corruption-free' file transport between the web, mobile and desktop."

This is a VERY old response... the video was newer and showed it in action, I'm sorry that my internet isn't allowing me to look for it.

The 20 bucks is really the cherry here... I use linux as well, ubuntu/mint specifically for various uses. I stick to win7 most of the time as I dislike almost every linux distro for personal use. I absolutely wouldn't use any current linux distro as my main computer... even for my netbook. But linux... I mean what does taht really mean? Not a whole lot. It's the basis for the operating system and it uses the linux kernel... but everything else is determined my google. So yeah, linux kernel, but not really a very "linux feeling" operating system.

I too use a wrt54gl =p

Oh and no viruses, did I mention that? I troubleshoot viruses all the time on other peoples computers... and windows certainly has a reputation for it.

 

As I said, that is totally different thing. It is by microsoft but more in the class of Google Doc and no, that is a toy comparing with desktop version. OpenOffice is miles ahead of it and the true desktop version even more so.

It is ok if you are restricting yourself to simple documents created by yourself or the 'online' community(using the online version), once you receive some files created by a typical office user, you would know you need Microsoft Office.

And what makes you think that google can magically change that ? Their search is obviously the best but for anything else, they are IMO just so-so.

 

Because I've used plenty of linux distros and chrome os obviously doesn't look a thing like any of them.

Would you mind explaining how it's different? It's designed by microsoft... it's definitely Office, it has all of the features, it's just rebuilt to use cloud.

Open Office is pretty terrible compared to google docs... constantly crashing on multiple computers I've had. It's my personal opinion that google docs is miles ahead, and if you want to use the MS version you can go ahead... they made it.

 

8 pages already .. and this topic doesn't even belong to this sub forum 'Windows OS and Software Software and OS discussion for Windows XP, Vista, and 7"

Google is giving this netbook out too ppl free .. you just have to give out your name address, photo and everything you ever type on them ;D .. now you can guess why the give it for free

 

lol they want your address to send you a package? >.< call the fbi

 

Do you think it is so easy to just replace the crown jewel of Microsoft with something that can be run in a standard browser ?

As I said, for very casual usage, google doc or Microsoft new online 'lite' version is fine, anything beyond that, you need the real thing.

Have you used Office before ?

I don't mind free stuff, where can I get one ?

 

I've used office before... lol and what exactly about this browser is standard? This is not "just" chrome... it's obviously got many added features. I see no reason for it not to be able to run a full Office. Whether it's the "crown jewel" or not doesn't change the programming.

 

You see no reason for it not to be able to run a full Office ?

Do you know that Office for OS X lacks behind Windows Office in terms of release cycle and feature.

You have used office before and you cannot tell the difference between an online version and the desktop version means that you are actually the target customer of the online version, though I am not sure if you are the typical office user.

And I would give up because no matter what I say, the message is not going to get across.

 

I haven't used the online version. No idea if it's different. Neither have you I assume since I'v eonly just told youa bout it lol

As for the message... likewise lol

 

I'm not getting back into this.

You guys keep going.

 

I hope you know what you are talking about.

You assume I haven't used online version ? I was on their beta program before it was out.

Not trying to be rude but you seem to have a pattern of having opinions on things that you have no idea what they are.

 

Two warnings:
1.- Stay on topic. It's perfectly fine to debate the merits of Chrome OS and its potential versus other OSs, but any personal attacks or bickering, and this thread will be closed. If you have nothing more useful to contribute, simply post elsewhere.

2.- Use the multiquote/edit buttons. I had to merge a ton of posts in this thread, and the next time I have to come in here and clean up the entire thread, I will give out warnings.

Thanks, and carry on

 

I haven't felt personally attacked... and I don't think I'm dishing them out either.

I also wasn't aware that there was a beta... link?

 

A few questions regarding Chrome OS:

1) Is Chrome an OS built within a web browser?

2) What kind of programs or apps will we be able to run in Chrome?

3) Any chance it will allow for emulation to Windows apps and programs?

4) When is Chrome OS RC ready for rollout?

 

1) Chrome OS is in fact built withing a browser. If you downloaded Chrome right now it would not be the same as Chrome OS, but you would see quite a lot of the features.

2) Most any app that a netbook can run will be natively supported in Chrome OS. You'll also have access to 3rd party software.

3) Unknown at this time. If virtualbox or VMWare come out with an app or someone else... than absolutely =p it's not impossible, someone just has to do it.

4) RC? Not sur ewhat that means. But the full Chrome OS should be coming out in ~6months.

 

Thanks !

RC = Release Candidate

 

Oh I see =p

 

Disagree with #2. You cannot run/install any 3rd party app to ChromeOS. Only can use 3rd party WEBAPPS.
Also, you can run any OS, there is a switch on the CR-48 that will allow you to "jailbreak" it, if desired.

 

How do you not have 3rd party access to software? I'm not google... and I can make apps for google. Just like I'm not microsoft but I can make applications for microsoft.

 

Because ChromeOS does not allow it.

 

What? How are you defining 3rd party application?

 

...For ChromeOS, any program not made by Google. For Windows, any program not made by Microsoft. Read what you wrote in relation to his response. You are saying you can install, say, Firefox, to ChromeOS?

 

If there were a firefox application made... yeah you could. Obviously there won't be.

There are PLENTY of 3rd party apps for Chrome OS... the majority of apps are not 3rd party.

 

?

Anyways...then your answer to him is incorrect. A netbook can run Firefox, ChromeOS can't.

 

I haven't heard of Chrome having an OS but it's possible. How does it differ from other OS. Has someone knows its specifications?

 

"Most any app"

Doesn't sound wrong to me...

edit; And as I said, it could run firefox... if there were a firefox app. Just as mac OSX doesn't have some of the apps microsoft windows doesn't have... doesn't make it any less of a computer, and vica versa.

 

There are MANY reviews and videos from Google and other tech blogs that answered all your questions.

I really don't get what you are saying. By these "apps" you are speaking of, you mean webapps right? I can name tons of apps that I can run on Windows that will never be able to run on ChromeOS-based on its functionality as of right now.

 

This is getting weird. He asked what kind of apps he could run... I told him he could run just about any app that a windows netbook could run. How is that incorrect?

 

That is what I am saying. That is completely incorrect. You cannot. How can you do that?

 

You can only "install" Google Chrome Store apps. Only some of them are available for offline use. A lot of them are just websites that render in the chrome OS browser with/without toolbars.

I guess you could root it and run linux apps, but then again you are better off installing Ubuntu and putting the Chrome browser on top of that.

Honestly, I have no clue why you would buy a Google netbook other than the fact that you get 100MB of free WWAN internet per month for a year and probably a cheap price. If they had better file management features and native gaming/office suite, it would be a whole another thing, though!

 

It is actually for 2 years free! But yeah, let us all remember though, this is a BETA OS, you won't see the final market GoogleOS book till mid 2011. A lot can change by then. The app store will have better cloud apps, they are working on file mgmt and other features for sure as we speak.

 

That's cool. The funny thing about Google stuff is the crazy long beta periods. That's not so bad though, it gets more users testing and encourages early adoption...

 

Cool - just found out that the Google laptop has a developer switch to enable dual booting into Ubuntu, lol
Ubuntu meets Google Cr-48 laptop, keeps Chrome along for the ride -- Engadget

 

Wow, so much Chrome OS hating going on, I'm scared to post a "Yay! Google sent me one!" Here are my first impressions though.

 

He he .. now go and rip the 'os' off from it and install ubunt

 

Nice. When did you apply for the pilot program? Did Google notify you that you would be receiving it?