Vista SP1 Thoughts and Discussion

Nice alex, some people were going crazy over getting rid of the watermark.

 

A couple of questions regarding the update.

First off, when the final version of SP1 comes out, what will the upgrade procedure be if I had the RC version? It would involve an uninstall of the SP then a install of the final version, right? There sounds like there is no reason not to go with SP1 RC, but after all the issues people had installing Vista from the various pre-release forms, I would imagine there could be quite a few issues with SP1 as well.

The next part is, since this is the Release Candidate, how long would it be if I just wanted to wait for the official release from this point? If it's just going to be one more month, sort of thing, I could do that, and still have that extra level of precaution. Any thoughts?

 

First question. Yep you would need to uninstall this rc and then install the final sp1. The main issues with installing I believe is people who try to update through windows update while tons of other people were trying to, too causing very very slow download rates. I installed right when it was announced and ha no problems.

No word on any official release date of the final version. Just quarter one of 08. So we may see it in a month or may take another 3 months. This for all intesive purposes is the final version, its the release candidate. Little to no extra features will be installed in the final version.

Its up to you to decide if you need it. Things are a bit faster, copying files takes alot less time, and the main thing I noticed was drop in cpu temp. As you can see from the poll most people agree its an improvement but I guess its up to you whether to decide whether you need it or not.

 

May I suggest adding this link to the first post?

 

Done. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Hey guys, I have tried both the stand alone installer and through windows update, both ways it finishes installing 3 of 3 and then it says sp1 was unable to install, reverting changes and then everything is back to normal. Any ideas as to why sp1 will not install?

 

how do you uninstall the SP1? It messes up my Zune atm.

 

Avast found a trojan when i downloaded the rar file.. is it a false positive?

 

I would say so, as my McAfee said nothing about it...Is that because the rar contains something that changes the window file so that your Avast said it found a trojan?

 

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this already, but the transfer speeds of files on local and external hard drives are weird after installing RC1. On my USB HD for instance, it first shoots to an incredible 47MB/s and after 30 secs or so, slowly drops down to about 12-13MB/s. This is normal and does anyone know if this will be addressed in the final version of Sp1?

 

Hell,just be glad you comp`s booting.Mine after installing SP1 went dead

 

This is normal... It writes data to cache first, when cache fills, speed falls down to usual values.

 

I have not installed Vista SP1 RC yet due to installation errors. I'm going to wipeout my hard disk and start from scratch.

 

What do you mean went dead?

 

No improvements with sleeping/resuming...

Hmmm... the system does appear snappier than before overall.

 

Don't know if it has already been posted, it's various infos about SP1:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/bb738089.aspx

 

You guys make this update seem really worthwhile! Still, Vista functions well enough for me, I have no complaints really (although maybe slow network transfers). I think I'll wait for the final SP1 release till I update to it, but I am really glad all of you are taking the time to make sure it works for the rest of us when it does come out.

 

I really like SP 1. My CPU idles at 0 - 1 % with nothing up and like 4-6% doing basic tasks.

Also FINALLY my hard drive stops clicking from being accessed every two seconds.

I put aero back ON (i had it disabled) and my system still keeps its zippiness, and just in case anyone was wondering Aero is disabled when you do graphically intensive things so no problems there . My windows index also went slightly up, now I get 5.9 for Aero 5.4 Games whereas before it was something like 5.2 for 3d games and 5.6 for Aero.

Also my system does start, sleep, and hibernate quicker.

I'm gonna keep messing with it but overall my OCs are still stable, my system is quicker (not that much quicker but definitely noticeable), and I can keep some of Vista's eye candy on for no performance hit. Can't wait for final release.

Oh and also, idk if it's just me but my crysis performance did improve drastically in some places. I also just got 169.25 so it might be that or a combination of the two but I was cruising around at 35-40 FPS in the Vtol while aliens were chasing me with everything at med - high settings except volumetric and shadows which I had set to low. Overall game looks great and plays even better now. Now if Crytek would optimize there engine maybe I could play on all high >_<.

 

SP1 installed fine for me, and CPU usage did go down, but I didn't have much time to see any other changes - any time I tried to use a torrent, and at some other random points, I got a BSOD. Uninstalled the update and everything works fine again. I wouldn't mind SP1, but until I figure out this little deal, I guess I'll have to put it off.

 

Went dead as in did not boot up , until I inserted the Vista disk,cancelled the install, rebooted,and booted with the "last known good config that worked".
I have not rebooted since, I`m scared it will come back...

 

I installed SP1 RC yesterday and noticed that CPU usage has gone down, my computer now resumes faster after sleeping, and the overall system responds faster. Some games also seem to play better but I'm not completely sure on this yet. Noticed no problems yet, it's definitely a worthwhile upgrade!

 

Yeah, overall same for me. While SP1 isn't earth shattering, its a nice improvement.

 

Hey I installed SP1 and in the System Properties it shows my version as SP1

But still how come I dont have no watermark?

 

Have you rebooted your system after installing SP1 RC1. The watermark will appear the first re-boot after you have installed SP1 RC1.

 

Hi,

If you want you can easily remove the watermark, its very simple...

Just do this:

1. Download the patched or cracked user32.dll.mui. ( http://depositfiles.com/files/475315)
2. Reboot the computer and boot into Safe Mode by pressing F8 right after the BIOS loaded.
3. Go to \Windows\System32\en-US\ (normally c:\Windows\System32\en-US\ file location).
4. Make a backup of user32.dll.mui file or simply rename the file to another name such as user32.dll.mui.bck.
5. Copy the patched user32.dll.mui to \Windows\System32\en-US\ folder.
6. Restart the computer.

The user32.dll.mui is the file that is responsible for the appearing of the watermark, that patched file have only the resource text of the watermark deleted, so its completly save to change.

 

I am trying to uninstall SP1 RC but it says it was unable to uninstall because not all of it was able to uninstall. Anyone know whats up with that?

 

I have Vista x32:

First impression: It actually recognizes the full 4gb of RAM I have in my laptop.

Second impression: The Hard Disk is accurately depicted. The numbers add up now (120gb).

Booting is a little bit on the slow side. It takes a while for the log-in icon to show but once running I don't feel much difference in speed. Could be because I already tweaked to the max before I installed it. The file is large and warns that it will take an hour or so to install. No hiccups so far. I just installed it so it's too early to say.

 

Read official changelog. It will just confirm that you have 4gb installed, but it still will not use more than 3gb in 32-bit Vista.
I call this sneaky, not the actual solution.

 

Well... there are certain "prerequisites" that you cannot uninstall. However, I'm not sure why you can't uninstall the main part.

 

yeah I am really stumped on why it is not uninstalling. As for some reason my wireless wont connect after i installed SP1 RC1 so that is really pissing me off as well. Plus the Zune wont sync. Argh.

 

Will system restore work to uninstall it?

 

Yep it worked for me...
Patching with VistaGlazz messed up the system...so....
A restore brought me back before the install of SP1...from there i re-did the SP1 install...which work almost flawlessly now

 

There is no solution and there will never be a solution. A 32 bit OS can and does recognize that there is 4 gig there, but it has to reserve part of that 4 gig of address space for all of the various input an output addresses of the hardware DEVICES on your system. The architecture of the Intel chips all the way back to the 8008 are such that the hardware devices and the memory all share a common address space.

Vista is not being sneaky, it is trying to be less confusing. Many folks installed 4 gig of memory and then did not understand why the OS said it didn't find it. Now it does. It doesn't say it will use all of it, only that it found it. If you want to give the OS all of the memory it can possibly use you have to install 4 gig, because the memory manufacturers don't make 1.5 gig memory stick available.

Gary

 

Has anyone ran Windows Update lately to see Vista SP1 RC listed as an important update?

It came up when I checked for updates today. Titled "Windows Vista Service Pack 1 Release Candidate 1 - Build 6001.17052 (x86)

I just didnt expect a RC of a SP to be rolled out in Windows Update.

 

I just ran windows update and the only update it showed me was a definition update for windows defender. I saw no SP1 RC update available.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...0e-4275-482d-9524-de850c4dd91c&DisplayLang=en

Unzip the above to your desktop.

Run the .cmd file as Administrator

Keep running and installing the updates (2-3 in my case) and then SP1 will show up in updates.

 

I know that, and I am not complaining about the fact they they didnt actually solve it, as it truly impossible to do (well, without problems associated with PAE).

At least before users instantly knew that they will need to upgrade to x64 to take full advantage of their memory.

Now it misleads users into beleiving their 4GB of RAM works while in fact whole 1GB lies as dead weight.

Actually, it does not say anything of above. If there was that exact kind of phrasing, I wouldnt say anything. But it deliberately indicates only terse "memory(RAM) - XXXX", so, honesly, do you think that any user will somehow suspect that 1/4 of it goes to waste?

This is just a hack to easely stop users from complaining and bothering tech support, by witholding vital information from them (yeah, if they dont know all technical facts above its their own fault. right.)

 

If only that were true! ...big ol' grin... The folks this fix was directed to were CLUELESS to this fact. You and I knew it, they didn't.

I understand what you are saying, but think "misleads" is a tad strong. But I only say that because if you look at the messages about this issue the vast majority are along the lines of "why does stupid, dumb, inept (insert your favorite derogatory term here) Vista not see all of my 4 gb of memory I just installed?". They rarely say why doesn't it USE it. Also it's not a whole 1 gb that is unused, more like 512k. (But that varies by manufacturer of the machine.)

I agree the wording SHOULD be changed. And no, I don't think they will suspect it or care about it. For those folks, by inserting 4 gig they were trying to max out their memory, they were not trying to insert 4 gig.

Again, though I think "witholding vital information" is a bit harsh, for two reasons. First to get anything over 3 gig of memory, your ONLY choice is to install 4 gig. As I said before until the memory manufactures release a .5, 1.5 or 2.5gb strip, we are stuck in this situation. And second, while this might be characterized as a "hack", I think it does address a very real situation. The previous version of this display was MUCH too technical in nature and in a place commonly used by "non-tech" types. It ill served their needs and provided nothing for the "real-tech" types that they couldn't find in more detail elsewhere.

Gary

 

I installed SP1 last night and found this morning that I can't access the control panel!?! I can't even get into the restore center to get rid of this, what can I do?

Edit: I got it, Control panel is only accessible through My computer though... odd

 

I tried installing SP1 RC twice, and no matter what, eventually my system blue screens.

I'm back to the official non-SP1.

 

Has anyone tried Vista's Defragmenter with SP1? How is it compared to the original? Does it actually do a good job and give details like in XP?

I hope Microsoft gets the final version released soon. I'm ready for the update.

 

FYI you can easily uninstall SP1 through windows update.

 

not really any performance gains

 

I had huge internal gains, less problems, and the CPU shut up.

 

Are there any big games in terms of Gaming? i have just installed the SLI-Crossfire hotfix, so is it worth installing Vista Sp1 RC for now?

 

My gaming performance is much better now, with SP1 RC1 installed!

 

ok i'll get it for sure just can you tell me like how much FPS more are you getting? xD

 

Can anyone post a link for Windows Vista Service Pack 1 for x64 baed systems? I can't seem to find it.

Also, I have almost all the updates installed, if I install SP1 over them, will there be a cluster****?

 

Here it is for x64

 

mm still no actual benchmarks for gaming. i doubt that the increase will jump above 2 FPS.