Why I don't like Windows 10

Not knowing the files W10 hid makes the statement just a bit unsubstantiated. Then again the thought of the possibility is just so wrong. I hate to say it but this is one software that needs to be the biggest failure ever.

 

this website will say what I mean.

http://www.alphr.com/microsoft/micr...sable-your-pirated-games-and-illegal-hardware

If you search "microsoft can disable your pirated games and illegal hardware", you'll find other sites quoting similar stuff, each with their own references .



EDIT by ADD ON:

Looks like Windows 7 and 8 latest UPDATES have already installed these keyloggers as well /facepalm

https://m.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10

I haven't found the links that spesifically says "these are the updates", but if anyone does, PLEASE SHARE for everyone.

I hope Microsoft gets sued to kingdom come in the EU court, and then the US Court.

 

Well as far as unapproved hardware I know of some Samsung laptop that updated bios and all of a sudden lost the bootrec on W10.

 

That's why i'm now only installing security patches on my OS. MS can go Fish !

 

Everytime I hide the updates that trigger the Windows 10 upgrade, a few reboots later and one of them would appear again! MS wants me to install their virus by force!



@Mr. Fox @TANWare

 

Found a little something, its kinda funny and sad at the same time. Can anyone confirm that this is true?

http://s7.postimg.org/boyc9kcrt/1438151921584.jpg

 

This is the whole problem dude...off-course its true

All our base is belong to Micro$haft

 

Why would I change my comfort especially there is a truth called "Windows 7"

 

Here is what Mr. Fox has installed for Windows 7 Updates.


And, since I never use Internet Explorer for anything except manual access to the Micro$lop Update Catalog (using IE is mandatory for access to it)... I'm still using IE8.

 

Nice = Better benchmark tests No wonder that Micro$oft has begun to cripple Windows update. LoL. It will be interesting to see how long time Microsoft is going to force Windows 10 users garbage drivers that they do not want .

 

KB26708383 is the evil update that messes up AERO and messup Windows fonts in some locations. If you ever noticed fonts look blurry or funny on any page (it's random you cannot tell where it would happen), then keep this in mind I wouldn't ever install the evil Platform Update on any system that I touch.

That's why I don't update IE either because it is bundled with IE 10 or 11 so if anyone has IE 10 or 11 firstly they won't see the KB2670838 update since it has already infected the system when the use updated their IE

 

Yeah, I know. We even have a thread on that very subject here. It's in the index linked in my signature. [WARNING!] KB2670838 - You don't want this Windows Update!

I don't remember what it was that I had installed a while back (some benchmark or game) that required it be installed to run. I haven't removed it yet because I'm not benching the R2 any more since NVIDIA hasn't released a properly functioning driver for GTX 780M SLI since February. KB2670838 also greatly impairs performance in some cases and has even broken AVI playback in Windows Media Player. It's one of the many reasons I originally decided to completely disable Automatic Windows Updates a little more than 2 years ago.

I need to go ahead and uninstall it again just as a matter of principle.

 

Whats the supposed update that must be avoided in windows 8.1?

i think there's a way to uninstall it in windows 8.1, but I haven't seen the exact update.

What I got after downgrading was a lot of windows defender updates and some security updates, but I couldn't pinpoint any.


Should I post a screenshot here so that you kind folks can help me to identify the culprit?

Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

 

Windows update doesn't have any bad updates except for the Windows 10 updates that trigger the Windows 10 updrade as it doesn't have AERO to start off with

Make sure you don't have any of these installed or if you are doing a clean install, make sure to hide them. They won't all appear so you must scan carefully with your eyes to make sure none of them appear after you have installed a few updates.

KB3035583
KB2952664
KB3021917
KB2505438
KB2670838
KB2976978

 

Thats pretty damn scary. Its just to show that when something is free its not always a good thing. Thats why im sticking with Windows 8.1 and will never upgrade

Win 7 is the new Windows XP, It still dominates the marketshare and manufacturers are still selling systems with Windows 7 until this day.

 

This isn't surprising, these days, 90% of free apps contain ads or spyware with the exception of CCleaner and a few open source apps. That's why I always ensure to have a paid app for anything I need.

Heck even the whole free app hosting Site Source Forge is infecting users with injected spyware/malware in their installer so I put their whole domain on the blacklist via my hosts file.

Here is my magical self tuned hosts file that blocks OpenCandy, SourceForfe, AliBaba ads that popup sometimes overriding the browser popup blocker...

Sourceforge pushing crap EXEs instead of filezilla installer

SourceForge serves up malware-infected phpMyAdmin toolkit

VERY IMPORTANT! Infected download from Sourceforge.net mirror

Video = Spyware from Source Forge in Action:

Code:

# Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.
#
# For example:
#
#  102.54.94.97  rhino.acme.com  # source server
#  38.25.63.10  x.acme.com  # x client host

127.0.0.1 localhost
127.0.0.1 bi.bisrv.com
127.0.0.1 www.softonic.com
127.0.0.1 softonic.com
127.0.0.1 sourceforge.net
127.0.0.1 www.bestvistadownloads.com
127.0.0.1 image.online-convert.com/convert-to-ico
127.0.0.1 tracking.opencandy.com.s3.amazonaws.com
127.0.0.1 media.opencandy.com
127.0.0.1 cdn.opencandy.com
127.0.0.1 tracking.opencandy.com
127.0.0.1 api.opencandy.com
127.0.0.1 offer.alibaba.com
::1 localhost

 

One good thing came out of my Windows 10 experiment. I decided to give Linux another try. I installed Ubuntu LTS and i'm digging it.

 

Well I am finally home, Windows 7 HP that is. The reversion went like crap. locked up on restart, after 1 hour forced a hardware reset then is sat stuck reverting with no system activity for another hour. Punted to the system image but now the calendar for live mail was corrupt. What fun 21,000+ emails ha to be retrieved from my iSSD. I first tried that to the HDD, what a mistake that was.

Well a few hours of arguing with the system and the primary one is back. Tired now but tomorrow is the secondary system. Eventually the secondary will be for the Windows productivity apps, DVD backup and pictures. Eventually the main system should be Linux mint.

I just do not see M$ backing off all they have employed and I see the situation is worst everyday. Some consumer group needs to place a serious boycott on this and a severe class action against M$.

Now if they do a total reversal on all those insane policies, I may be back.

 

Welcome back home, prodigal son...

I'd venture a guess that you've got a better chance of winning the lottery...

 

Now, why I like w10:

it makes 8.1 (& 7) really look excellent in every way, realizing (after testing most iterations of 10) that 7 & 8.1 are even better than I thought they were :O)

7: very good
8: catastrophy
8.1: very good (with a few addons & deleting store\app bloatware)
10: catastrophy

 

That information is only disclosed on a need-to-know basis and Apple doesn't need any of their Mac OS customers to know the answer to that question. Plus, it's probably safe to say a ton of their customers don't ask why, they just do what Apple thinks is best and roll with the punches. That could be why Micro$haft got so ballsy... they obviously don't know their customers very well or they would know what works for Apple is precisely why we choose Windows instead... at least that used to be so. Perhaps they thought they might get away with the similar shenanigans. A herd of goats is not nearly as compliant as a flock of sheep, but they are still manageable to a certain degree. Throw Power Users and enthusiasts into the mix and now you are herding feral cats, and the best efforts will fail. With cats you have to use tranquilizers... even the domesticated ones have a mind of their own.

That's a good one. W10 makes us appreciate how great W7/8/8.1 truly are... accurate assessment.

 

Goes to show, you W7 users though we got bad with 8 and 8.1, wait till you see what we have for you this time around.

 

Yup, yessir... zombie-ware OS in so many ways.
Got Telemetry?

 

Are win8 and 8.1 really 2 different OS's? I sort of assumed 8.1 was really "8 + sp1". ??

 

Not really, a lot of drivers of Windows 8 don't work on Windows 8.1, especially for example Bluetooth Drivers are known to cause problems.

Example, on my previous ASUS G750JX craptop, if had the Atheros driver installed for Windows 8, if you attempt to upgrade to Windows 8.1 without first installing the WLAN + Bluetooth Drivers of Atheros that were meant for 8.1 you could end up in a non booting laptop. This problem caused lots of headaches at the ROG forums back in the day as I remember.

 

@Mr. Fox Another quirk I just discovered.... glad you finally went back to Windows 7 @TANWare

Firewall list of apps is empty!

Why is it empty? I have to manually go to the file in its installed folder to add it. In previous Windows you had a list of all installed apps.

 

Many were lured into buying Windows 8 . But several of these could not upgrade to Windows 8.1 with improved functionality because the hardware was not compatible with Windows 8.1 (only with Windows 8). The only alternative to these people was to go back to Windows 7 or XP. Technically speaking, the Windows 8 and 8.1 are two different os.

 

@Matrix Leader - I suppose if all the apps were conveniently listed there it would be too easy to block them from having internet access. Since the ability for their bots apps to "phone home" is key to Micro$haft's data harvesting, it is likely by design.

 

Was just refering to the practical use of different os's here, mostly shunned 8 due to ..many things + crazy tileworld, then when 8.1 came along gave it a new chance and tamed it, very stable os here.

About 10, lotsa small bugs + the general MS telemetry\spy\update religion. Could\will\may be fixed\controlled in the future, then will re-evaluate (in 2023 ? :O)

 

Yeah I remember back in the day when I was shopping for a laptop, the muppets at the store would tell me yes sir this laptop comes with Windows 8 but you can upgrade for free to 8.1! as if it was a simple program update! It's a whole OS re-installation as you would see the Windows.old folder after the upgrade has been done and most likely the system will become broken due to incompatible drivers.

 

Nah, it's just a bloatware service pack that should have been called Update 1 and Update 1 should have been called Update 1, Service Pack 2. I used all of the same drivers from Windows 7 for 8 and 8.1 and they all worked for me. Maybe I was just lucky and had the right configuration. But they really had no option except to pitch it a something new because Windows 8 was such a dismal failure. So, they pulled strings in a effort to fake us out and pass it off as something awesome. They had so many abortions to fix you almost had to have the Windows.old folder to make it work. They cannot afford this many repeat failures, and they don't deserve any more second chances.

 

M$ played to their consumer base and Tech people right up to the RTM of 8.0. Making it appear they wanted the PC and other devices to live together in a type of harmony. Then then just before the RTM the hammer came down, gadgets gone, no start menu, forced metro, aero glass done for etc. etc. etc..

Then 8.1 on the dismal failure of 8.0 and that was not of too much help. Colossal driver issues there hampered it even further. At least though with add ons it became somewhat tolerable.

Now With W10 they will push the PC as a device further. Not only that but a device that is under their control. One that also feeds them your information for their consumption. There is no longer anything you can do on a PC that is private or sacred anymore. Essentially you purchase the hardware to hand it over to M$ for their bidding.

 

Damn, I just did a clean install of 8.1 over the weekend.
Can one uninstall the update and then hide them so they aren't re-installed via Windows Update or is it too late?

 

Hey guys, just thought I would share this:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/2...-singularity-amd-and-nvidia-go-head-to-head/2

It seems that, according to the first and only available DX12 benchmark, that DX12 doesn't really bring any performance improvement to Nvidia's hardware (when properly optimized around DX11) and a strong unlocked CPU with large core count (i7 5960x).

What is stressed in this article is that Nvidia has up until this point invested heavily in driver development alongside software and game developers, resulting in DX11 performance on par with DX12 performance (using this CPU, there may be an advantage with CPU's of lower core count or with the inability to do HT).

AMD, on the other hand, is as of right now what appears to be the sole beneficiary of DX12 API (again, with a strong CPU of high core count) whose R9 Fury X is now on par with Nvidia's GTX 980 Ti, unlike testing under DX11 where it lagged by 170% at 4K.

Have a look for yourself. Just another reason to not buy into the Win10 kool-aid (at least if youre on Team Green, if youre Team Red then this is an argument for "ugprading" your OS).

 

You surely can, uninstall the mentioned updates then check for updates again then hide then although the GFX entries for Wincrap 10 updates will still be there but at least you won't be nagged to upgrade

 

Yeah, I figured as much. I actually did that Elemental DX12 benchmark for 980M SLI and there was really nothing remarkable about how it runs under Windows 7 DX11 versus Windows 10 using DX12... really a big to do about nothing IMHO. I more or less saw no advantage to DX12 using that one benchmark.

Edit: and wouldn't you know it...
NVIDIA: We Don’t Believe AotS Benchmark To Be A Good Indicator Of DX12 Performance

Just looking at the type of AotS game is (RTS), I am already totally disinterested in that title. I don't play games like that... ever. Kind of sucks that the first DX12 title is the RTS genre. I hope that is not an indicator of what we can expect more of with DX12, LOL.

 

"Tread Lightly" Oxide tells Nvidia, as though they've been (rightly so) restrained in defense of this nonsense Nvidia is peddling about "AotS is in it's pre-alpha state and therefore not optimized". The same countenance exists in the original Extreme Tech article with a similar opinion of the matter by that site; that Nvidia has no way to explain for the lack of DX12 improvement other than AMD hasn't been very good at optimizing their drivers (thus far) around DX11 and that now DX12 removes this hurdle and equalizes the playing field for both vendors.

What is equally troubling about the wccftech article you pointed to is the comment from Oxide that DX11 was "....quite terrible at first and that went on for a few years".

A couple of years? I was hoping there would be some example of DX12 improvement like this holiday season, hopefully with Star Wars: Battlefront but if AotS is any indication (I actually think this is a good indication) possibly only those with CPU's of lower core-count and / or the absence of HT and / or an AMD GPU may benefit from DX12.

I'm absolutely not upgrading now. I think the revelations that DX12 brings next-to-zero performance improvement for those with Nvidia hardware and capable CPU's are going to be momentous.

I read recently that only 1/3rd of Windows 7 users have actually "upgraded" to 10 (despite M$ pronouncements to the contrary). I'm willing to be that many of those yet to make that leap were waiting to see the hub-bub about DX12. Well now that there is a solid early indication that the gains to be had will only benefit those with certain CPU's or AMD hardware M$ is probably going to have to reconsider their stance on a lot of what the public does not like, and will not tolerate with their OS, particularly the bits about forced automatic updates and their ability to have access to and share details of your personal life with governmental officials and corporate affiliates, let alone rumors of them being able to outright deny you access to pirated software (something I don't entirely have a personal issue with, probably the only thing with 10 that I don't).

Watch M$ announce Win 10.1, without the nanny-ware options and forced updates to try and compel the 2/3rd's of us on 7 who refuse to budge now that DX12 is realized for the flop that it is (for at least 70% of hardware owners, AMD lost market parity years ago).

 

Oh well... it's really hard to get excited about things. I suppose having a closer to level playing field between red and green GPUs is a good thing if that spurs NVIDIA to flip the switch and put some distance between itself and the competition again, but they've been doing so little for so long because they could get away with it that it's not even funny. What, for 2 or 3 years now their only real competition has been their own products from the previous generation, and that's really horrible for everyone. I've still got a nasty taste in my mouth from all of the screwed up AMD MXM cards I've had, but we are way past due for NVIDIA to get jack slapped. Fury gets closer than anything else has on the desktop side of the house, but since since it appears that the Fury doesn't overclock very well, that's not even a good choice. Here's hoping they pull a fast one on NVIDIA and surprise us all with something amazing, and then do it again in MXM form factor... and actually be reliable/durable rather than failure prone.

 

The problem with those "upgrading from 7" is allot of those users, probably the majority, downgraded too.

 

More BS from Micro$haft, hello to all of those BETA Testers may the lord be with you on this tough quest...

Microsoft is listening to its customers' feedback

@Mr. Fox @Papusan

Windows 10 build 10525 released to Insiders (AKA Beta Testers AKA anyone using Windows 10)

 

Lol, yet M$ still counts this group as having upgraded from 7 to 10.

 

If they call complaints about colors listening, Do'h.

 

I completely agree lol.

 

My point exactly, it was a bit of sarcasm from me there.

Everyone is complaining about the bloody driver updates delivered through Windows update despite the user choosing to not allow device drivers to be delivered through Windows updates, this has crippled my and your machines TANWare including thousands of others rendering either their Audio missing specific features which the OEM driver had, touchpads not working, etc...

Yet what do they do? They give us some colors to play with! YAYY!!!

 

When I first created this thread, I thought it would be locked and marked as trolling to be honest, I am glad this community agrees with most of my points and it has actually gotten so many replies/pages....

I am also glad I was able to open the eyes of some who may or may have not missed the points mentioned in this thread because the irony with Windows 10 is, when you first install it and boot to the desktop, it actually feels nice, you feel like you just got a new toy....then the more you play with it, the more you see what a disaster Micro$h4ft created and gave the world for FREE! Off-course, give it to them for free so we can hack them and collect their info 24/7 and report them to the authorities if they have a pirated game!

Regards, Micro$h4ft FBI Team

 

Yes youre not alone with your view of Windows 10, but it has to be said right here and now that I am the real Neo, the real Matrix Leader, and I demand that you desist from putting on this charade any longer!

 

OK, since we are offering confessions... I'm really Batman. That's right. I'm not a fox, I'm a bat. My parents were Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. But, just for the record, I am not BatBoy. He was a different moderator, but we're both bats. I pretended to be a fox because nobody likes bats. Sorry for the charade all of these years.

 

The biggest issue I see here is even if they do a 100% reversal of policy then what is to prevent them 2-3 years down the line from going right back to where they are now or worst.

Edit; I am Aqua Man, I shake my fist at you M$ from my puddle in the parking lot.

 

As you can see Win 10 is the same junk as Win 8.1... Micro$oft fails to make an OS that has the correct information about the hardware. Same as Win 8 and 8.1. Microsoft has only tinkered a bit on Win 8.1, but done a lousy job. A sad future we're going to get. How can Microsoft approve all hardware and (software) to their os when they do not even manage to create an OS which reads the correct hardware information?

 

LOL! So sad really, better support for new hardware when they cannot even get the system properties to get the right CPU speed!

What angers me the most is that you see how our attitude towards Winfail 10 here is? It's the exact opposite on Anandtech Forums, My Digital Life Forums, and every other forum I visit! They consider it the heaven of all OSes!! If you say something bad they will stab you with a virtual dagger! Do not insult their baby or badmouth Micro$h4ft