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    Windows 10 20H2

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. jc_denton

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    That's after removing all the spectre/meltdown patches and turning off the synthetic timers? Since LTSC 2019 (1809) is 10MHz after all the tweaks. 1709 was ~3.5MHz afaik
     
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    It seems like it can still force install older drivers.
     
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    I just checked, I don't have that option. Is this on a insider flight?
     
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    If this is true, then I take back what I said.
     
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    Right, so it still forces some unwanted driver updates like the Killer Software Extensions driver but some of the drive updates are now optional. Still not what we want. It should be like Windows 7 where all driver updates are optional and the user can select which ones he wants to install.
     
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    My main concern is the GPU driver. NVIDIA is fine, but with Intel it tends to install older drivers after you've put on newer ones. Obviously you can disable driver updates all together within group policy editor in W10 Pro, but of course, not everyone has that.
     
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    You can still disable driver updates using Winaero or a simple reg tweak
     
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    New Slow Ring / Preview Updates for 19041/2 (19041/2.488):

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4571744/windows-10-update-kb4571744

    Cumulative Update =
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/d..._f061609c66d8e1b969c606252c02be121ed97b71.msu

    .NET Framework Update =
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._126503548e88a3978a43cb6f1103d744952df0d6.msu

    Changelog:

     
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    Microsoft releases the “optional, non-security, C/D/E Week” patch for Win10 version 2004 askwoody.com

    Microsoft just dropped the last “optional, non-security” August patch for a still-breathing Win10 version.

    Yep, the “optional, non-security, C/D/E Week” patch, KB 4571744, is now available via Windows Update – if you click the Download and install link.

    And look. At. All. The. Changes. I do believe that’s the longest list of changes in a Windows update that I’ve ever seen.

    Here’s the one I was waiting for:

    Addresses an issue that causes the Optimize Drives dialog to incorrectly report that previously optimized drives need to be optimized again.​

    Microsoft’s way late in the game for Preview patches – Patch Tuesday is five days away – but at least we’re going to get a little bit of out-of-the-box testing.

    Of course you don’t want it. Of course:D
     
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    Sept 8, 2020—KB4571756 (OS Build 19041.508) + KB4577266 as SSU

    Known issues with KB4571756
    Problems fixed by KB4571756
    • Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or pen).
    • Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.
    • Updates for storing and managing files.
    • Updates to improve security when using Microsoft Office products.
    • Addresses a problem with a possible privilege escalation in windowmanagement.dll.
    • Addresses an issue with a security vulnerability in user proxies and HTTP-based intranet servers. After installing this update, HTTP-based intranet servers cannot, by default, use a user proxy to detect updates. Scans with these servers will fail if the clients do not have a configured system proxy. If you have to use a user proxy, you have to configure the behavior with the Windows Update policy "Allow use of user proxy as fallback if detection with the system proxy fails". This change does not affect customers who secure their Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) servers with the Transport Layer Security (TLS) or Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) protocols.
    • Security updates for the Windows application platform and frameworks, Microsoft graphics component, Windows input and composition, Windows media, Windows shell, Windows cloud infrastructure, Windows basics, Windows management, Windows kernel, Windows virtualization, Windows Storage and file systems, the Microsoft Scripting Engine, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.
    • support.microsoft

    Remember the servicing stack update must be installed first.

    1) SSU (Servicing Stack Update) KB4577266 as SSU | Sept 8, 2020
    2) CU (Cumulative Update) KB4571756 | Sept 8, 2020


    September 8, 2020-KB4576478 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 2004

    Direct Download link.

    http://download.windowsupdate.com/d..._83f09dc64c451be104a7a4f737e576c413a51650.msu
     
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    Just had an update and the trim problem looks like it has been fixed, It now says 0 days after re-trim after you run the optimize and reboot instead of showing needs optimisation all the time.
     
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    Windows 10 update is reportedly causing issues with Start Menu
    September 15, 2020
    https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/09/15/windows-10-september-2020-update-issues/

     
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    I use StartIsBack app, Instead of the default Win10 Start.

    I have a problem with the Windows Security icon on the taskbar, It says actions required when i hover the cursor over it.
    But it will not open with left or right clicks and does nothing, But If i go to security using action centre/settings and then click on Security there is no problem.
    This has happened twice so far, I have run sfc /scannow and it finds NO problems.

    A reboot usually fixes the problem.

    Thanks

    John.
     
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    Who needs that useless icon anyway!

    From Group Policy Editor:

    Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Security > Systray, then enable the " Hide Windows Security systray" rule

    Also disable all Windows Defender services using this reg file so it doesn't even run. See: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...es-index-post-1.779394/page-120#post-11046096
     
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    Hey guys. I need help stopping my current Windows 1809 from updating to later versions. It is stable at the moment.

    "Update is ready to install" (pending restart). I'm praying it doesn't restart on its own...

    Current OS build: 1809 17763.1158 - rig info in signature
    I keep getting nag screens about updating -- "current version of Windows is nearing the end of its service"
    I only connect to internet when I need it.


    I've closed all the "doors" I can see for disabling any kind of Windows Updates.
    I've attempted to stop Windows from downloading anything using the "metered connections" settings.
    I limited the download/upload to the lowest it'll go (5%) in the background/foreground.

    I've followed Spartan's guide to disable Windows from updating drivers.
    I've run the "Disable Driver Updates.reg"
    I've run the "Are you sure you want to run this file.reg"
    I've disabled driver updates in the System / Hardware / Device Installation Settings

    Is there anything else I can do to maintain my current 1809 OS version?
    Should I just let it update and cross my fingers?
    I've had multiple sound issues because of updates..

    As always, your help is greatly appreciated.
     
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    1) Right click your Start Button, choose Powershell (admin)

    Paste this command into Powershell and hit Enter:

    net stop wuauserv

    Leave Powershell open

    2) Open Windows File Explorer, then navigate to this folder:

    C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download

    Delete the contents of that folder

    Then navigate to your C drive, do you see a WindowsUpdate folder there, delete those:

    $WINDOWS.~BT

    $Windows.~WS

    ESD


    3) Ensure that the Windows update is disabled

    4) Reboot

    If you really wanna stay on 1809 I suggest you backup your data, Format, then install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC FTW
     
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    Wow you're fast lol.
    Much appreciated! I will try those suggestions.

    Wish me luck.
     
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    I managed to complete the net stop wuauserv (stopped successfully) but it needed internet access to do so.
    I managed to delete all files in C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download

    The $WINDOWS.~BT file was located at the root of drive C:\
    I started the deletion process, but many files cannot be deleted, even though I have admin rights..
    I can't tell if the files I deleted stayed deleted or not bc there are so many left.
    There was no update folder at the root of C:\.
    $WINDOWS.~BT is a semi-hidden file that is still about 16.6 GB.
     
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    Try booting into Safe Mode and doing it. Also take ownership of that folder and grant the Everyone Group all permissions [​IMG]
     
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    If you don't mind a few processes running in the background...
    StopUpdates10 — New tool to stop Windows Updates

    The best tool is still Win 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC
     
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    October 1, 2020—KB4577063 (OS Build 19041.546) Preview

    A new awful list with improvements and fixes as usual. A never ending game.


    Highlights
    • Adds a notification to Internet Explorer 11 that informs users about the end of support for Adobe Flash in December 2020. For more information, see KB4581051.
    • Updates an issue that causes games that use spatial audio to stop working.
    • Reduces distortions and aberrations in Windows Mixed Reality head-mounted displays (HMD).
    • Ensures that new Windows Mixed Reality HMDs meet minimum specification requirements and default to a 90Hz refresh rate.
    • Adds support for certain new Windows Mixed Reality motion controllers.
    Improvements and fixes

    This non-security update includes quality improvements. Key changes include:
    • Adds a notification to Internet Explorer 11 that informs users about the end of support for Adobe Flash in December 2020. For more information, see KB4581051.
    • Addresses an issue with Microsoft Edge IE Mode that occurs when you enable Configure enhanced hang detection for Internet Explorer mode in Microsoft Edge.
    • Addresses an issue that, in some instances, prevents the Language Bar from appearing when the user signs in to a new session. This occurs even though the Language Bar is configured properly.
    • Addresses an issue that fails to recognize the first East Asian language character typed into a Microsoft Foundation Class Library (MFC) DataGrid.
    • Addresses an issue the prevents you from reconnecting to a previously closed session because that session is in an unrecoverable state.
    • Addresses an issue that causes games that use spatial audio to stop working.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents the deletion of stale user profiles when you configure a profile cleanup Group Policy object (GPO).
    • Addresses an issue in which selecting I forgot my Pin from Settings>Accounts>Sign-in options fails in a Windows Hello for Business On-Premise deployment.
    • Updates 2021 time zone information for Fiji.
    • Addresses an issue that affects the Microsoft’s System Centre Operations Manager’s (SCOM) ability to monitor a customer's workload.
    • Addresses an issue that causes random line breaks when you redirect PowerShell console error output.
    • Addresses an issue with creating HTML reports using tracerpt.
    • Allows the DeviceHealthMonitoring Cloud Service Plan (CSP) to run on Windows 10 Business and Windows 10 Pro editions.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents the content under HKLM\Software\Cryptography from being carried over during Windows feature updates.
    • Addresses an issue that causes an access violation in lsass.exe when a process is started using the runas command in some circumstances.
    • Addresses an issue in which Windows Defender Application Control enforces package family name rules that should be audit only.
    • Addresses an issue that displays an error that states that a smart card PIN change was not successful even though the PIN change was successful.
    • Addresses an issue that might create duplicate Foreign Security Principal directory objects for Authenticated and Interactive users in the domain partition. As a result, the original directory objects have “CNF” added to their names and are mangled. This issue occurs when you promote a new domain controller using the CriticalReplicationOnly flag.
    • Updates the configuration of Windows Hello Face recognition to work well with 940nm wavelength cameras.
    • Reduces distortions and aberrations in Windows Mixed Reality head-mounted displays (HMD).
    • Ensures that new Windows Mixed Reality HMDs meet minimum specification requirements and default to a 90Hz refresh rate.
    • Addresses an issue that causes a stop error on a Hyper-V host when a virtual machine (VM) issues a specific Small Computer System Interface (SCSI) command.
    • Addresses an issue that might cause attempts to bind a socket to a shared socket to fail.
    • Addresses an issue that might prevent applications from opening or cause other errors when applications use Windows APIs to check for internet connectivity and the network icon incorrectly displays “No internet access” in the notification area. This issue occurs if you use a group policy or local network configuration to disable active probing for the Network Connectivity Status Indicator (NCSI). This also occurs if active probing fails to use a proxy and passive probes fail to detect internet connectivity.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents Microsoft Intune from syncing on a device using the virtual private network version 2 (VPNv2) configuration service provider (CSP).
    • Suspends uploads and downloads from peers when a VPN connection is detected.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents Microsoft Internet Information Services (IIS) management tools, such as IIS Manager, from managing an ASP.NET application that has configured SameSite cookie settings in web.config.
    • Addresses an issue with ntdsutil.exe that prevents you from moving Active Directory database files. The error is, “Move file failed with source <original_full_db_path> and Destination <new_full_db_path> with error 5 (Access is denied.)”
    • Addresses an issue that incorrectly reports that Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) sessions are unsecure in Event ID 2889. This occurs when the LDAP session is authenticated and sealed with a Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) method.
    • Addresses an issue that might cause Windows 10 devices that enable Credential Guard to fail authentication requests when they use the machine certificate.
    • Restores the constructed attribute in Active Directory and Active Directory Lightweight Directory Services (AD LDS) for msDS-parentdistname.
    • Addresses an issue that causes queries against large keys on Ntds.dit to fail with the error, “MAPI_E_NOT_ENOUGH_RESOURCES.” This issue might cause users to see limited meeting room availability because the Exchange Messaging Application Programming Interface (MAPI) cannot allocate additional memory for the meeting requests.
    • Addresses an issue that intermittently generates Online Certificate Status Protocol (OSCP) Responder audit events (5125) to indicate that a request was submitted to the OCSP Responder Service. However, there is no reference to the serial number or the domain name (DN) of the issuer of the request.
    • Addresses an issue that displays strange characters before the day, month, and year fields in the output from console commands.
    • Addresses an issue that causes lsass.exe to stop working, which triggers a restart of the system. This issue occurs when invalid restart data is sent with a non-critical paged search control.
    • Addresses an issue that fails to log events 4732 and 4733 for Domain-Local group membership changes in certain scenarios. This occurs when you use the “Permissive Modify” control; for example, the Active Directory (AD) PowerShell modules use this control.
    • Addresses an issue with the Microsoft Cluster Shared Volumes File Systems (CSVFS) driver that prevents Win32 API access to SQL Server Filestream data. This occurs when the data is stored on a Cluster Shared Volume in a SQL Server failover cluster instance, which is on an Azure VM.
    • Addresses an issue that causes a deadlock when Offline Files are enabled. As a result, CscEnpDereferenceEntryInternal holds parent and child locks.
    • Addresses an issue that causes deduplication jobs to fail with stop error 0x50 when you call HsmpRecallFreeCachedExtents().
    • Addresses an issue that causes applications stop working when they use Microsoft’s Remote Desktop sharing APIs. The breakpoint exception code is 0x80000003.
    • Removes the HTTP call to www.microsoft.com that the Remote Desktop Client (mstsc.exe) makes at sign out when using a Remote Desktop Gateway.
    • Addresses an issue with evaluating the compatibility status of the Windows ecosystem to help ensure application and device compatibility for all updates to Windows.
    • Adds support for certain new Windows Mixed Reality motion controllers.
    • Addresses an issue that causes apps that use Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) to stop responding when you attempt to close the app.
    • Adds an Azure Active Directory (AAD) Device Token that is sent to Windows Update (WU) as part of each WU scan. WU can use this token to query for membership in groups that have an AAD Device ID.
    • Addresses an issue with setting the “Restrict delegation of credentials to remote servers” Group Policy with the “Restrict Credential Delegation” mode on the Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) client. As a result, the Terminal Server service tries to use “Require Remote Credential Guard” mode first and will only use “Require Restricted Admin” if the server does not support “Require Remote Credential Guard".
    • Addresses an issue in Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) that generates an “Element not found” error when you try to start WSL.
    • Addresses an issue with certain WWAN LTE modems that might show no internet connection in the notification area after waking from sleep or hibernation. Additionally, these modems might not be able to connect to the internet.
    If you installed earlier updates, only the new fixes contained in this package will be downloaded and installed on your device.

    Direct Download link: KB4577063


    October 1, 2020-KB4576945 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004

    Direct Download link: KB4576945
     
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    How come all the updates now are Preview for the past couple of months have Micro$h4ft l0$t !t? [​IMG]
     
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    A small change. Look at is as a warning for what will come the next patch Tuesday :D

    Or see it as “Don’t visit the Update button” :vbbiggrin:
     
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    I can't see a single reason to jump on the new and flawed. But this is as expected. It looks like Windows as a Services go from bad to even worse. And they have still not reached the bottom of the hill. As a railroad down to Hell with no escape route. The only viable Win 10 version is 2019 LTSC. And this barely.
    [​IMG]


    How to block Win10 version 20H2 askwoody.com | October 12th, 2020

    Microsoft’s ready to push that puppy out the update chute. You don’t want it until it’s been thoroughly tested, and tested again.

    Susan Bradley and I have teamed up to take you step-by-step through the process for blocking Win10 version 20H2 until you’re good ‘n ready to install it.

    Details in this Computerworld How-To.
     
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    wouldn't it be weird (and maybe superstitious) if MS actually released the 20H2 version to the public this Tuesday October 13 (hmm, the 13th of October)?
     
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    I'm wondering when it's going to be? I can't wait to have a more cohesive start menu design.
     
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    Still on v1809 and WU is showing "Your OS version is reaching end of support upgrade to latest"
     
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    Don't you have Enterprise LTSC?
     
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    No I don't. I don't use win 10 most of the time unless I'm gaming or using Ms office. Most of the times, I use Linux.
     
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    I have not gotten that message when using either 1809 education or ltsc 2019 (win10 pro is not good enough 4 me - at least the enterprise/education and ltsc editions have longer support life spans than the home/pro editions)

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    looks like that did not happen at all. instead MS released another new 20H2 build to insiders in the beta & RP channels this past Tuesday with build 19042.572
     
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    Even Stupid can sometimes see their limits.
    Microsoft should rather use all aviable engineers to fix flaws and bugs in current versions. And May Update is still not available for everyone. The 20H2 update should have been scrapped and rather be pushed as May 2021 update.

    KB4579311 cumulative update is causing numerous problems for Windows 10 users betanews.com | Today

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    A few days ago, Microsoft released a new cumulative update for Windows 10. The KB4579311 update was supposed to fix a range of issues with the operating system including various security problem, but -- once again – this update is proving problematic for many people.

    The problems that have been reported range from failed installation with a 0x800f0988, 0x80073701 or 0x8007000d error code, to black screens, printing issues, to not being able to log into Windows 10.

    HP Business Notebooks: Trouble with Sure Recover and Windows 10 2004
    Posted on 2020-10-17 by guenni
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    [ German]Are HP business notebooks with Windows 10 2004 are having currently issues with HP Sure Recover? I have just come across a case in connection with an HP Elitebook and HP Sure Recover that raises questions. Here is a short summary of what I have just come across.

    HP Issues Sure Click Enterprise 4.2 Patch 1 to fix Initialization Failures caused by Windows Updates (October 2020) askwoody.com | October 16th, 2020
    Posted on October 15, 2020, HP announced the release of HP Sure Click Enterprise 4.4 Patch 1 and Bromium Secure Platform 4.1 Update 8 (Patch 5) to fix Initialization failures caused by October 2020 Windows Updates.

    Issue Description
    After installing any of the referenced Windows Update KBs below, HP Sure Click Enterprise and Bromium Secure Platform will be unable to successfully initialize. New initialization attempts will fail with error UPDATEGUEST_NETWORK_SETUP_FAIL. Your devices will continue to work until a new initialization is needed, giving you additional time to rollback the Microsoft KBs. New initialization requests would generally be caused by:

    • Upgrading supported applications to a new major version, such as Chrome, Microsoft Office or Adobe Reader.

    • Manually requesting a new initialization from the Desktop Console

    • Installing a new version of HP Sure Click Enterprise
    This is a list of the Windows Updates affected

    • KB4579311 – Windows 10 Version 2004 x64
    • KB4577671 – Windows 10 Version 1903 x64
    • KB4577671 – Windows 10 Version 1909 x64
    • KB4577668 – Windows 10 Version 1809 x64
    • KB4580330 – Windows 10 Version 1803 x64
    • KB4580328 – Windows 10 Version 1709 x64
    • KB4580346 – Windows 10 Version 1607 x64
    • KB4580327 – Windows 10 RTM x6
    HP Sure Click Enterprise 4.2 Patch 1 Released.

    According to Windows Central

    There’s HP Sure Click Enterprise. HP calls this the “world’s most secure endpoint application isolation and containment solution.” Supported on Windows 8 and Windows 10, Sure Click Enterprise brings enhanced run-time protection with non-persistent virtual machines. It can also protect user credentials from phishing attacks and supports large-scale deployments.

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    Why Windows 10 is pushing outdated drivers via Windows Update windowslates.com - October 15, 2020

    Windows 10 is now pushing outdated drivers and it could cause issues if you have the habit of installing updates without paying attention to the driver version number and its release date.
     
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    well Microsoft has pretty much prove that statement otherwise (like f**k that or "screw that") and have just released the 20H2 update to the general public moments ago

    It’s official 20H2 is now out
     
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    I am running it, I like the new start menu visuals. The system "seems faster" as well.
     
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    And what changes make you feel that? Can you point out what changes made the differences? 20H2 is built on the still buggy 20H1. Windows 10 20H2 is released, here are the new features

    Maybe bro @Mr. Fox will do a new crash test dummy installation with the new and shiny to see if he can feel the same as you. The 20H1 May Upgrade failed in his testing. And I'm sure he won't see a any positive change or trend with 20H2.
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    See also.... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-2004-20h1-20h2.830339/page-16#post-11006470

    "Snappiness is nothing worth if it comes with degraded performance". And even worse if the feeled snappiness is <Placebo> and paired with decreased perfomance.
    Start menu changes... for the worse
    One of the more significant changes Microsoft has made to Windows 10 via the October 2020 Update involves the Start menu, and I don’t like it.
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/357...020-update-inches-in-the-right-direction.html
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    if this earned 3 stars, I'd hate to see what their definition of a 1-star update looks like :rolleyes:

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    I don't know. I just said my system seems faster. And.... I don't care if someone else doesn't like the new visuals. I do. Go to Linux or something and stop constantly *****ing here about it.
     
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    Are you upgrading or clean installing?
     
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    Why? Why should I jump on a more messed up OS two times a year? I can't see a single reason jump on the latest and greates.
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    Linux is down the hall and to the left. Might as well use that from now on instead of wasting copious amounts of energy constantly complaining and moaning about windows 10 day in day out here.
     
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    There is ample room for fans and haters at the same table. It's a big table with plenty of chairs. If the only people sitting at the table are those drinking the Kool-Aid it will never be a good product. It may never be good regardless, but the chance of it getting better with universal support only from yes-men that are accepting of it as is, warts and all, is slim to none.

    We shouldn't ignore Micro$lop's past successes just because they aren't doing great at the moment. Windows 7 is also an option unless you're using hardware that lacks driver support. It doesn't have to be Linux. Although, Linux would be the best option if it had the ability to run all of the software Windows users would like to run. It would be nice to have the option to eliminate Micro$oft and stop using Windows entirely if software options were equally robust and fully cross-platform compatible.
     
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