Windows 10 20H2

You don't need to be a hater because you pointing out what is wrong. And Win as Services is a darn flawed approach to become awesome. It should be up to the users to jump on the New feature Updates or not. Want the old working version (let it be from 2015 or the years after) then let us have it. If they can do it with the LTSC version they could easily do it with the Pro and the woeful Home guninea pig Edition as well. I haven't seen any performance gains, better snappinness with the new. Only more useless features who bring with it new bugs. Remember the defrag feature that have worked well the last years in Win was screwed up +6 months on the 20H1 May Update. This right out of the box. They screwed up this feature due their working on coming Updates. Damn disgusting. And there is still machines out there that still can't be upgraded to 20H1 because of the newer changes to the worse. Again, You don't need to be a hater because you don't want be anyones fanboy.

Edit.
Administrative templates (.admx) for Windows 10 20H2 (2009) are available for download

Info and download:

• microsoft.com/download/102157

 

No thanks, Im sticking with 1909 for now.

 

If they want everyone to move to a newer version they need to give everyone a valid reason. A real one. Not because it's what they want it or expect it. It's not their decision and it is none of their business. If they want to be loved they need to be lovable. They're not even trying. They don't care about anything except their agenda. They deserve what they get. If it's not good, they need to take a look in the mirror. Smart people reject crap and they won't be told what to do or how to do it.

 

You won't find one. Because there isn't possible find one.

One of many reasons Microsoft should stop up messing with what worked well before.


Older Intel/nVidia video hardware is no longer supported...
https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/system-compatability-error/td-p/11131207?page=1

With the forthcoming feature update, driver updates will be moved to the "Optional updates" section of the Windows Update page. That means that if you have the newer driver that has not yet been verified by the system OEM, then Windows won't automatically revert back to the obsolete driver, but will instead merely nag you to install it.

 

sure there is. HOWEVER, when it's just constant pissing and moaning about the same blah blah blah it gets old. create a windows hate thread here and be done with it. It's getting old. Even when someone likes windows, a certian couple of people here swoop in a start *****ing about it constantly it's getting tiresome.

 

YOUR OPINION....Not fact.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that many of us strongly dislike the horrible things that have happened to Windows is a fact. The unhappiness, hate, and disrespect of millions for that is an undeniable fact. When the dripping faucet continues dripping it does tend to become annoying. When the annoyance becomes unbearable something usually happens to stop the dripping. The solution is the fix the problem. If we can be annoying enough to cause it, that's awesome. I doubt it though. They'll most likely just ignore the problem and allow the dripping faucet to continue building up lime deposits and begin rusting out the porcelain sink while remaining oblivious to the erosion that is taking place right in front of their faces.

 

Again, Opinion. the unhappiness, disrespect of millions? WOW, jumping off the deep end there fox'y my boy. Again, Windows 10 works awesome for 99 percent of the people using it. the 1 percent like yourself who try to tweak etc is who has issue with it. Goto linux and be happy, it's tweaker's paradise there. If you spent your time using linux instead of always crying about Windows here, you would get alot more done. I never have issues with my windows 10 installs. Why? because I leave them the hell alone and USE IT. It seems only the people who are hell bent on changing crap in windows are the ones who have issues, not the millions and millions like you claim.

 

Hm, you sure about the numbers here? You seem pretty riled up about facts vs opinion, but have you done the research required to throw around figures like this?

As reported by various sources over the last couple years, dissatisfaction with Windows 10 has been on the rise, keeping pace with increasingly-problematic updates. Works awesome for 99% of people? Nothing could be farther from the truth, from the information I can find.

Customer satisfaction with personal computers is slowly on the rise, but Microsoft's missteps with Windows 10 updates are dragging down consumer perceptions of software. According to the American Customer Satisfaction Index's Household Appliance and Electronics Report 2018-2019, satisfaction with software for desktops and laptops fell 1.3% to an ACSI score of 78, wiping out gains from a year ago.

According to the ACSI (American Consumer Satisfaction Index), the statistics don't support your statement at all:



Meanwhile, both consumer and professional surveys indicate similar trends, going back to the initial changeover to Windows 10; the majority of users didn't find feature updates useful, and the majority of users were dissatisfied or very dissatisfied with automatic updates. Furthermore, as for whether or not their business needs were being met, less than 50% of consumers, and only 52% of IT professionals, answered yes--and more than 1/3 answered direct "No".

As the report explains: "A total of 170 consumers (20.02%) were unable or unwilling to answer yes or no to this question. In general, however, Windows 10 only meets the requirements or expectations of less than 50% of home users.

A total of 167 consultant/IT professionals (14.74%) did not answer this question with yes or no. In general, however, Windows 10 only meets the requirements or expectations of just 52.52% of IT professionals. Would you use software with such a poor coverage of requirements if there was a choice?"









As for the appropriate nature of criticizing Windows 10, or the etiquette of doing so in this thread, I would remind you that it's generally the people who are most active posting information and updates about Windows 10, and providing the substance for discussion in the first place, that also complain about it. In other words, I don't see many "supporters" posting links to official update news, patch reports, and bugfixes on a regular basis. In fact, rather the opposite--people that don't seem to care one way or the other about Windows 10, don't really have much to say in the first place. Yet I'm sure many people who don't have a huge issue with using Windows 10, benefit from reading these threads in some way, even if it's small--there is a lot of information and some pretty knowledgeable posters that are motivated by helping people, not just trolling.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, at the end of the day what's less useful to the community? An attitude of "if you don't like the president, move to Canada" or an attitude of "this sucks, here's why, but change only happens when people complain enough"?

To each their own, but if you don't find whining to be healthy for anyone, just avoid it? I'm sure you could start your own Windows 10 thread and focus on the positive aspects instead if cheerleading is more attractive to read.

 

I think a better question is why hasn't the DOJ launched an anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft? Standard Oil, old AT&T - companies that truly exerted market power to dictate less than ideal quality of life on consumers. I guess Google represents a bigger threat to mankind than a software company whose products extend everywhere in society across the world.

 

It's anecdotal evidence, but of the 20 or so in my circle at work, more and more are at least starting up a Linux boot disk. The telemetry and other nonsense MS is putting into each new release is becoming tiresome. Not all 100% have converted yet, but at least 3 or 4 have or will be making a change from 12 months ago to sometime in the next 6-8 months.

We'll see if this move away from Windows gains any traction over the next 12 months. @cfe's numbers may be showing a trend or just a blip. Too hard to read these tea leaves right now.

 

I dont mind critisim, but the constant whining, which it is, about it is getting a little old and repetitive. Simple. If it were here is the new update heres whats wrong. it would be fine, but the load of crap papusan and Mr. Fox spew constantly in here is un called for....if you dont like move along.

 

I respect your opinion. I don't see it as whining. I see it as calling the balls and strikes and not mincing words.

It seems from a previous post that you may think I have technical issues with Windows 10 and that is not the case. I tweak it to conform to my expectations aesthetically because I find it to be atrociously ugly in its natural state. But, that is subjective and I have no problem accomplishing what I intend to in that regard. What I find unacceptable and call as "balls and strikes" are things that I measure. It is so slow and bloated and overburdened with trash that it is nothing short of a freaking miracle that it will run itself with less than 32GB of RAM. Everything is slower on the newer versions of Windows 10. CPU, memory, drives, and graphics. I am also disgusted and appalled by their control-freak behavior. They assume more control over things that they should be allowed to, and I am capable of making decisions for myself. Anyone that wants to should be able to. They are not entitled to decide how things work on my computers.

To be clear, I don't have any of the technical issues so many of the links point to. In fact, it just works for me, but working as expected isn't good enough. The bar needs to be higher than that. I only complain because I care enough that I would like it to be better. I already use Linux and I like it. But, it's not good enough. If it was good enough to replace my use of Windows it would have already replaced it. But, I don't see any point in giving the clowns at Micro$lop a pass for their incompetence. They can do better and we deserve better. I am sorry that you think having that opinion and expressing it is whining, but don't expect it to stop any time soon. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

Passive acceptance is the worst thing a consumer can do. If we all did it we'd be driving around in shiny new Ford Pintos that would explode during the slightest fender-bender. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that crap. (and to Mr. Fox's credit at least he does keep a stock, up to date version of Win.10 to justify the complaints - I can't speak for Papusan)

The biggest issue I'd take with the way Windows is being deployed is the forced indoctrination of changes. I was talking with my mother a while back and she was pissed that a recent update completely screwed with her web browser, among other changes. Granted, the Edge improvements are supposedly way better, but she sure as heck didn't ask for it to be dumped on her laptop unannounced and without her asking for it. I imagine this switch to the new Edge is going to be yet another curveball for her (FTR, my mom is hardly tech savvy enough to know how to go about avoiding "updates" like this and IMO, she shouldn't need to be).
Just my 5¢ and the last you'll hear from me on it.
Cheers

 

I am guessing all your tweaking of visuals slows windows down to a crawl. I have two computer systems with 4gb of ram and it works fine, quit tweaking it and you might find it fast. But your mind is made up. Try Linux. It's more your style.

 

No, actually quite the contrary. And, you know me. There is no way in hell I am going to intentionally do something that decreases performance. Everything I do to it makes it better, in terms of both performance and aesthetics. If I leave it in the natural state it is totally unacceptable by all aesthetic measurements. Unfortunately, the aesthetic tweaking doesn't help it perform better, only looks acceptable. Every new version of Windows 10 has run slower than its predecessor. There is a pretty remarkable slowdown visible after 1809. But, even if I were not able to make it perform better through tweak, the aesthetic changes are necessary or I won't make any attempt to use it because I find it too disgusting to tolerate. So, yeah... those changes are absolutely not optional as far as I am concerned.

 

It must be what you are doing since you claim your windows is running slow as molasses with 32gb of ram. In reality, it works fine for basic tasks with 4gb and my computer with 16gb runs fast with no lag what so ever. So what you are doing makes the problem. Don't tweak and it runs fine. Again, use Linux, you have a choice. Seems like you want to be tortured and ***** here 24/7 about it. Make a thread called windows whiners or something. Stop flooding every thread about windows with your nonsense. Oh, btw just as you won't stop complaining I won't stop calling out your bull.

 

If you think 1809 is fast, try Build 10240 (Threshold 1) that is like Windows 7 on steroids only with newer hardware support. Minimal bloat, it's like a diff. OS entirely.

 

Isnt that just 1507?

 

Spot on

1507 Threshold 1 N/A 10240 July 29, 2015

 

Yes, I was an insider for W8 and W10 and began using both long before they reached the public, as were many others around here. It's still slower (both were, but 10 is slower than 8) compared to W7 and the idea of improved hardware support is nothing more than a fabrication. They have to be creative with their lying or people won't drink the Kool-Aid. Anything W10 will do W7 does or would do if they have not intentionally interfered with it as a means of manipulating consumers. I am open-minded and forwarded-thinking, but not very forgiving when it comes to results and meeting expectations. They've had ample time to iron out the kinks and have been treated with far too much leniency. They do not deserve any more chances and they have abused the privilege for long enough. A spade is a spade. When it smells like feces, I'm going to call it as I see it and make no effort to identify what bits and pieces of their sh♥tshow were done right.

 

Should try 3.11. Should be superfast on your amazing computers!

 

Interesting diversion, but I don't think so. Although, it would probably be more secure than W10 for any people that claim to care about that.

 

Regardless of personal feelings or politics, it's extremely important to consistently report negative feedback when warranted. Without harsh criticism, the entire ecosystem simply stagnates in its own microcosm of self-validation. Windows already exists in an echo chamber, with thousands of developers and millions of "satisfied customers" producing endless assurances that their product is meeting or exceeding expectations, and this money-focused falsetto is regurgitated and further embellished-upon at each step of the supply chain and "upper-management" ladder, all the way up the hierarchy--and this cancerous cycle is the definitive decay of all that makes capitalism, industrialism, and free-market entrepreneurialism good.

People rarely want to be the one to tell their colleagues that they half-assed a project, or that their boss is clueless, and they certainly don't relish the prospect of telling their boss those things either, let alone their boss' boss' boss or the shareholders who their boss' boss' boss' boss' boss ultimately answer to. When money (and boss' boss' boss' stock options) is on the line and money = survival, you do what you must. The circular model of software development vs engineers vs marketing vs management is known to suffer from many faults. Luckily for both consumers and the professional sector, these issues are not impossible to combat and address; it just requires speaking out, whining, being honest, and the whole host of pejoratives that are often ascribed to those that don't just focus on a zero-sum outcome and report to work, do the minimum required to earn their paycheck, and rinse/repeat.

Causing a stir, creating a fuss, whining about everything, always complaining, being a stick in the mud, being a negative nancy, ruining the good vibes, giving the boss a headache, making management look bad--all these things are commonly cast in a bad light, and used in an unflattering context, because opposing the status quo on its race to the bottom means interrupting people's lives and livelihoods and making their jobs more stressful and threatening their financial security--so going against the grain and being vocal when the product is in need of improvement tends to be ruthlessly silenced whenever possible.

Fortunately, people always have--and always will--speak out when they've had enough. When either their unhappiness or their conscience demands it, they will let ACE Asbestos Co or Uncle Sam know. Consumers will protest being force-fed a subpar commodity and professionals will protest selling a subpar product. If not for this, there'd be no forward movement.

You can read any number of publications, journals, blogs, update notes, and reports filled with the puffery of those who in some way have a stake in Windows and project the value of the product in as optimistic a tone as possible. There's no end to the self-confirmatory bias of designers and marketing directors and unofficial employees (those who rely upon the continued existence of the market-share capitalization for their own means of earning a living), who recycle the marketing-friendly, sales-focused rhetoric of explaining how great Windows is and how wonderful it works for most people and how it's continually being improved and only trolls and outliers are dissatisfied with any aspect of it.

It's their job to think and say that. We're under no such obligation, and consumer protectionism is a real concept, which relies upon unhappy customers voicing their concerns and demanding accountability from both the corporate interests responsible for producing subpar commodities, as well as governmental regulators responsible for promulgating an environment where rampant greed runs unchecked and the interests of the few are placed above the needs of the many.

If you think Windows 10 should be " good enough for us" because it's " good enough for you", you can just scroll past our comments and turn the blind eye that you're so eager to demand we concede to Microsoft. If you don't like it, move along, right?

The acceptance of mediocrity is one thing, but the acceptance and promotion of sub-mediocrity deserves every bit of vitriol and backlash that it triggers. That's how progress works. There's no room for political correct-ness and back-patting in the theater of technological advancement, or in the realm of free enterprise capitalism, for that matter, and the junction of both is--surprise--where Microsoft is squarely perched. The fact is that Windows 10 suffers from many serious flaws, and the ecosystem could far better serve both the consumer and the professional. Pretending that "they're doing the best they can", and we should just accept what they sell us, is no more productive than whining.

You're right, we don't have to complain as dramatically or incessantly, but then again, you also don't have to read it, right?

 

Bravo... Nailed it. Very accurate and articulate. That is perhaps the most well-written post I have seen in a long time. I will come back and add rep after I have distributed to others enough to allow it.

 

I have no issues with it. works fine for me. Like I said, linux is down the hall to the left, give it shot if you are so disgusted with windows. Why use it? all you do is piss and moan, I would stop using anything if it made me feel that way all the time. You must love torture or something. Show me on this doll where windows and microsoft touched you...

 

Most posts by me is info for the users. Of course I add in my comments on this. Mostly all of my posts contain info from reliable Webpages that have "main focus on Windows".

Here is new patch that soon will hit the users running latest and greatest. A huge new loads of improvements and fixes... A never ending game. And it will continue until new main build comes out based on the same buggy coding as from before. The ball continue roll


Windows 10 October 2020 Update Gets a New Build 19042.608

Changelog of Windows 10 20H2 Build 19042.608 (KB4580364)

• Earlier this year we introduced Meet Now in Skype. Meet Now makes it easy to connect with anyone in as little as two clicks for free and each call can last up to 24 hours. Today, we’re excited to share that we will be extending this capability in Windows 10 by bringing Meet Now right to the taskbar. In the coming weeks, you will be able to easily set up a video call and reach friends and family in an instant by clicking the Meet Now icon in the taskbar notification area. No sign ups or downloads needed.
• We fixed an issue with using Group Policy Preferences to configure the homepage in Internet Explorer.
• We gave administrators the ability to use a Group Policy to enable Save Target As for users in Microsoft Edge IE Mode.
• We fixed an issue with untrusted URL navigations from Internet Explorer 11 by opening them in Microsoft Defender Application Guard using Microsoft Edge.
• We fixed an issue that occurs when using the full suite of developer tools in Microsoft Edge for remote debugging on a Windows 10 device.
• We fixed an issue that displays nothing on the screen for five minutes or more during the Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) session.
• We fixed an issue that prevents certain Windows Virtual Desktop (WVD) users from searching for files using File Explorer.
• We fixed an issue that causes a device to stop responding after you have been using a pen for several hours.
• We fixed an issue that causes an application to stop responding temporarily, which causes extra z-order operations that affect the Topmost property of a window.
• We fixed an issue that might cause DDE apps to stop working.
• We fixed an issue that causes the ImmGetCompositionString() function to return the full-width Hiragana when using the Microsoft Input Method Editor (IME) for Japanese instead of returning the half-width Katakana.
• We fixed an issue that occurs when you first sign in to an account or unlock an existing user session using Remote Desktop Services (RDS). If you enter an incorrect password, the current keyboard layout changes unexpectedly to the system default keyboard layout. This keyboard layout change might cause additional attempts to sign in to fail or lead to account lockouts in domains with low account lockout thresholds.
• We fixed an issue that displays the incorrect CPU frequency for certain processors.
• We fixed a performance issue that occurs when PowerShell reads the registry to check if the ScriptBlockLogging registry key is in the registry.
• We fixed an issue that randomly changes the time offset of the time format returned by the command exe OS Get localdatetime/ value.
• We fixed an issue that prevents Microsoft User Experience Virtualization (UE-V) from assigning the Microsoft Outlook Signatures.
• We fixed an issue that prevents Hybrid Azure Active Directory joined devices from updating portal information when a device name or Windows version changes.
• We fixed an issue that might prevent the Smart Cards for Windows service from starting.
• We added a new Microsoft Event Tracing for Windows (ETW) provider named “Microsoft-Antimalware-UacScan”. This ETW provider reports the details of the context for each User Account Control (UAC) request in the ETW provider manifest.
• We fixed an issue with virtual private network (VPN) connections that use Secured Password (EAP-MSCHAP v2) for authentication and have enabled the “Automatically use my Windows logon user name and password” property. When you connect to this type of VPN, an authentication dialog box incorrectly prompts for your credentials.
• We now display Recovery Partitions in the diskpart utility.
• We fixed an issue that causes stop error 0xd1 in sys. This issue occurs when moving certain arrays from one cluster node to another.
• We fixed an issue that causes the IAutomaticUpdatesResults::get_LastInstallationSuccessDate method to return 1601/01/01 when there are no active updates.
• We added support for the Transport Layer Security (TLS) 1.1 and 1.2 protocols when connecting to SQL Server using the data providers in Windows Defender Application Control (WDAC).
• We fixed an issue with SQL Server that might cause performance issues if you configure a Linked Server provider to load out-of-process.
• We fixed an issue that might degrade Windows performance and prevent the LanmanServer service from starting when third-party software uses LanmanServer custom file system controls (FSCTL).
• We fixed an issue with deduplication that causes long wait times on Resilient File System (ReFS) Cluster Shared Volumes (CSV).
• We fixed an issue that might prevent some applications from behaving correctly. This occurs when you publish them as Remote Application Integrated Locally (RAIL) applications using Remote Desktop Services (RDS) and change the docking for an AppBar
• We fixed an issue with a deadlock in the Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCPIP) driver that causes the operating system to stop working or stop responding.
• We fixed an issue that causes the Routing and Remote Access Service (RRAS) to stop responding for new connections. However, RRAS continues working for existing connections.
• We fixed an issue that causes the RRAS administrator Microsoft Management Console (MMC) to stop responding randomly when you are performing administrative tasks or at startup.
• We fixed an issue with starting Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL2) on ARM64 devices that occurs after installing KB4579311.

For more details, head over to the official blog post.

If you don't tweak your Windows 10 you'll come last on the bot. Tweaking the bloated OS mean better performance. Not less.

Yeah, many say exactly the same as you. But not all is able to catch the flaws with the OS.

MICROSOFT
Microsoft fixes known issue blocking Windows 10 upgrades bleepingcomputer.com

Microsoft has resolved a known issue that was blocking customers from upgrading some devices running Windows 10 1903 and 1909 to newer OS versions.

MICROSOFT
Microsoft shares fix for broken Windows 10 'Reset this PC' feature bleepingcomputer.com

Microsoft has acknowledged a new known issue affecting some Windows 10 devices and preventing users from using 'Reset this PC' to reinstall Windows.


And here you can see Microsoft try grab new computer users as Guinea pig. The legit way isn't enough.

Microsoft now lets you bypass Windows 10 update blocks
Microsoft has added a new Windows 10 group policy that allows users to bypass safeguard holds placed on devices due to conflicts with hardware or software.

Fantastic post. Wish I could be equal good in English +rep.

 

How's it working for you spartan?

 

Just like every other update. Perfect! I have not any problems with Windows updates EVER. Including those ones you highlight which others experience. Remember the update you mentioned a few months back about printing issues? I can still print

Perfect. 20H2 is way better than 20H1, it has all the fixes that should've been in 20H1 in the first place. I did a clean install.

 

Exactly my point. Mine works great.

 

A timely link, although again the data is anecdotal, but it shows the "brilliance" that are new features of Windows 10 isn't just resonating here at NBR.

https://www.codeproject.com/Messages/5755993/So-I-got-a-new-laptop

 

99.9 percent of users could care less if git programming works on their machines.

 

I think at the end of the day, I just want Windows 10 on my machine to work. I want to play games and get the most out of my investment. I really don't want to waste my time trying to revert changes that MS keeps putting back. MS will always win. They are truly a monopoly. Lawmakers could care less if their computers are bloated and prone to unexpected glitches and possible failures. Once something truly bad happens and the lawmakers open their eyes they will see MS for what it is. Google. Apple. All the same - different flavors but the same idiocy. There is no choice when it comes to Windows. Sign of the times I guess. I'm glad that there are users out there who can take matters into their own hands, and provide some relief to others. If computers were not so darn expensive I would say throw them out into the trash and buy a fresh computer. Just like a pair of tennis shoes.

 

I run Pro on two machines, including one Insider. I have never had any of the horrible bugs that get hyped up, but then again, like spartan, I also know how to make Windows 10 play nicely. Many people don't have the luxury of time, knowledge, or ability (such as having no control over their installation, as in many professional/academic settings) to either tweak the consistently problematic mess, or repeatedly fix it.

Let's be very clear: cases such as mine and spartan's are not the norm, and there are people who undergo loss of time/productivity due to numerous serious issues when vanilla updates go awry.

Pretending like Windows 10 works perfectly unless you are "fiddling with things you shouldn't" is quite objectively and patently disingenuous. The rife of monthly reports attesting to this is not some anecdotal overdramatization, it's very real and very much based on evidence and fact.

Trying to pull magical numbers out of a hat can't change reality, and the reality is that despite savvy users proving that not every KB is broken to the point of unusability, much more could/should be done. Acting like it's a fantastic product that "just works" is no more help than hating it and refusing to acknowledge any positives.

 

Which is why I stopped doing the Windows 10 Bloatware Free Edition ISOs for y'all using the MSMG Toolkit. Windows 10 has become so deeply integrated with Cortana and telemetry that even after you clean out the ISO from everything, the moment you do a Windows update, 50-80% of the stuff that was removed gets put back so I stopped bothering.

 

Some enjoy the flawed. I enjoy the freedom without being tethered to my chair repairing what worked before

Windows 10 20H2 Upgrade - Windows 10 Forums


Yeah, nice Microsoft finally can see own mess

Microsoft released fix for broken Windows 10 'Reset PC' function
Posted on October 24, 2020 by Günter Born

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Some users run into problems if they want to use 10 function to reset the system, the onboard Windows. Microsoft has now confirmed the problem and at the same time published a workaround to work around it.


Windows 10 cumulative update to fix CPU frequency bug windowslatest.com - October 24, 2020

Microsoft is testing a new Windows 10 cumulative update that will fix several bugs in the October 2020 Update (20H2) and May 2020 Update (version 2004). The patch with build number 19042.608 is currently rolling out to testers in the Release Preview Channel and Beta Channel of the Windows Insider program...

The mess in the pict looks like the mess we see from Redmond nowadays

How to Uninstall Windows 10’s October 2020 Update howtogeek.com


You Only Have 10 Days!
Windows 10 only gives you ten days to uninstall big updates like the October 2020 Update. It does this by keeping the operating system files from the previous version of Windows 10 around. When you uninstall the update, Windows 10 will go back to whatever your previous system was running. This will probably be the May 2020 Update.

 

Micrososft is not a monopoly. You have choices, you just don't use them. There is Linux, chrome and macOS for operating systems and you can game on playstation. All free of anything microsoft.

I have the exact same experiences as @Spartan@HIDevolution as well. I install update, update works perfectly. Been that way since around 2016. I have been on insider program once and that caused issues, I rolled back to normal release and never had an issue with any update. I am not acting like it's a fantastic product, for me, it has and is been. Just because others here messing with registry and other crap and always have issues don't mean it's a bad product.

 

Perfect. Ty for beta testing these and running it through its paces. Now I feel comfortable moving to 20H2 from 1909 (and from 1809 before that and from 1709 before that) when it is time to move - based on your endorsement which I trust.

The nice thing about these "fall/autumn" releases of Windows 10 is that on Enterprise edition, you get about 30 months of support!

 

Brace yourself for more stupidity. Change for the sake of change is how it's done now. No real reason, just because they can and because they get their jollies pissing people off that don't like pointless change that produces nothing of value. This is what happens when they have nothing to offer and feel compelled to do something to create an illusion of innovation.

Where Did the System Control Panel Go on Windows 10?

 

Linux don't change.......ever. Try that. The whine is strong here.

 

Interesting older discussion about MS:

https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2003/09/cyberinsecurity_the.html

From the paper:

• Microsoft is a near-monopoly controlling the overwhelming majority of systems.
• Microsoft has a high level of user-level lock-in; there are strong disincentives to switching operating systems.
• This inability of consumers to find alternatives to Microsoft products is exacerbated by tight integration between applications and operating systems, and that integration is a long-standing practice.
• Microsoft’s operating systems are notable for their incredible complexity and complexity is the first enemy of security.
• The near universal deployment of Microsoft operating systems is highly conducive to cascade failure; these cascades have already been shown to disable critical infrastructure.
• After a threshold of complexity is exceeded, fixing one flaw will tend to create new flaws; Microsoft has crossed that threshold.
• Even non-Microsoft systems can and do suffer when Microsoft systems are infected.
• Security has become a strategic concern at Microsoft but security must not be permitted to become a tool of further monopolization.

There is choice alright. There is also a reason the other choices have not caught on. I fail to see the acceptability of MS pushing out flawed bug fixes to 70-80% of deployed systems; the impact of such bugs is not only lost productivity time as a result of having to revert changes or recover lost data, but also national security and national infrastructure. To become solely dependent on one company's OS is risky indeed.

Here is another link comparing the top OSs:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-vs-mac-vs-chrome-os-best-operating-system/

This is the reason many continue to use MS:

"The problem of complexity does remain. You will likely encounter more bugs with Windows than with its competition. But these bugs are rarely the fatal errors that used to drag Windows systems to a halt, and they’re balanced by features and hardware compatibility that is simply unavailable with Microsoft’s competition.

That said, MacOS is disadvantaged for gamers, as most new games are not available on the platform. In 2019 there are more MacOS supporting games than ever before, but it’s still a paltry list compared to Windows. For people who really love MacOS but still want to game, though, they can always leverage Apple’s Bootcamp application. This utility helps users prepare any Mac computer to run Windows instead of — or as a switchable option to — its built-in operating system, allowing access to most Windows applications and capabilities.

This requires a separate Windows 10 license purchase, though it’s possible to run other operating systems, like Linux, on Bootcamp as well. (Windows machines can also boot Linux and other third-party operating systems, but MacOS cannot be licensed for use on non-Apple hardware.) Macs can even run Windows at the same time as MacOS through virtualization tools like Parallels or VMWare, offering even more flexibility for those who like the way MacOS operates but need access to some specific Windows software.

Apple only offers a few product lines running MacOS, and that’s a problem for many. The hardware (especially storage) is often expensive, yet not always up-to-date, and it may not fit your needs. There is no 17-inch MacBook, for example, and Macs don’t offer a touchscreen in any form save for the miniature Touch Bar on the MacBook Pro. In fact, unless you want to add a keyboard to your iPad, the 2-in-1 isn’t a thing at all in the MacOS world, leaving behind anyone who’d rather carry just one device compared to lugging around a notebook and a separate tablet.

However, Mac systems are expensive, and often don’t offer hardware on par with Windows alternatives. The operating system also lacks certain features that can be found on Windows, like touch support and a focus on mixed reality, and you’ll need to commit yourself to USB-C or grab a few adapters if you’re interested in Apple’s MacBook line.

In short, Chrome OS is almost all web, all the time. If you’re a Windows or Mac user and you often find that the only app you’re using is a browser, or you’re okay with the huge ecosystem of simpler Android apps, then it’s worthy of consideration. But Chrome OS’s almost complete lack of the most advanced third-party software is a deal-breaker for anyone who relies on a computer for more complex tasks.

Windows 10 is the best all-round platform with a broad and deep selection of hardware, reasonable ease of use, and pricing that will be attractive to most. If you’re not sure which platform is right for you, Windows offers you everything you need and a whole lot more once you learn the ropes."

I agree with this conclusion.

 

From your link...

But why did Microsoft remove this one page from the Control Panel when other pages in Settings are still duplicated in the Control Panel?

That’s a good question, but "many tools in the Control Panel still have a wider variety of options" that aren’t found in the new Settings app

Yeah, Microsoft created a new mess and with less options. This is called progress But I expect Microsoft try to help out the Noobs who can't use a OS from ground of (those who can't catch or see all the flaws/bugs with this OS).

Windows 10 hides one Control Panel feature, but you can still access it windowslates.com - October 24, 2020

Way back in 2015, Microsoft promised that Windows 10 Settings will eventually supersede Control Panel, but the Control Panel is still a very important part of the operating system...

Apparently, there’s no easy way for Microsoft to remove all the legacy components. For now, the company is only trying to hide legacy options to streamline the settings experience.

In fact, it’s very likely that we’ll see more Control Panel pages going away in favour of the modern replacements. However, Microsoft is not going to remove the pages completely and these tricks will always work.


And more disgusting coming from Redmond. Not that I play Minecraft, but others still enjoy it.

You’ll need a Microsoft account to play Minecraft: Java Edition windowsreport.com

• Minecraft: Java Edition is one of the most popular video games on the market.
• However, if you still want to play it, you'll need to have a Microsoft account by next year.

Minecraft: Java Edition will be played only via Microsoft accounts!

 

Again, it's not a monopoly. It's the most popular. You have the choice not to use it. I didn't say the other choices are good. But they are choices. Nothing is perfect, but windows is way better in every way compared to the others. What you are saying is like saying Ford has a monopoly on 1/2 ton trucks becuase they sell more than every other truck maker. That's just rediculous

 

Deeply-flawed analogy.

Honestly, feels like you're just trolling at this point.

 

It really boils down to most users having to accept a flawed product and putting up with all of the nonsense in order to be able to run the software and applications they want to run. There are some Linux applications that are awesome, but most of the desired software is Windows-only. Things get messed up when the operating system, and its publisher, strive to be the center of attention. The harder they try to be the center of attention, even forcing the issue in some ways, the easier it is to despise what they do and what Windows has become. Windows was at its best when its only real reason for existing was to provide a convenient GUI to facilitate the use of other applications. The children operating systems should be seen and not heard.

 

Its exactly the same thing. Just because you don't agree does not make it wrong.

 

What you said conceptually is the same, but numerically is not. You can buy a Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, etc. No single one of those commands a market share that utterly eclipses and dwarfs the competitors. The market share is equitably distributed and while there is some variance from one brand to the next it is not devastating to all of Ford's competitors. So, in practical effect is it not similar. The other thing that is not quite the same is the end-user experience. I'm a Ford guy, but my experience owning a Chevy or Dodge would not be nearly as different as it is when switching from Windows to Linux. I wouldn't have to do without a long list of things I value going from Ford to Chevy like I would if I stopped using Windows to run the software I want to run and relied on what little (in comparison) good software is available for Linux.

I agree that it is not a monopoly. It's absolutely not. You're correct. But, the IT world is absolutely dominated by Windows. Not because Windows is super wonderful, but only because everyone is used to it and the software that runs on Windows is awesome. I don't fault Micro$oft for that at all. I only fault them for what a mess they have made of Windows. Sadly, you have to use a superior antiquated version (Windows 7) or tolerate the current piece of crap they provide unless you can live happily without all of the software you want to use. Not many people can, and many that actually can don't think that they can.

 

Nah, it's not even conceptually the same, which is precisely the point.

Then again, as the saying goes: some things you just can't fix.

I've already wasted far too much time with this. I won't be compounding the error any further.