Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019/2021

Was having constant stuttering and gameplay was a mess even on latest nvidia driver on 980M. I hate frame skips or sudden FPS drops even at lowest setting for few months now. I got pissed and enabled Windows update, used wumt-x64 to search for drivers offline and downloaded it and got stored it to C:\Windows\Software Distribution folder where usually most WU gets downloaded/saved. It was stored as a file with no extension and filename was SHA1 hash and I renamed it to cab since WU uses cab or msu packages. Unpacked it and Nvcleaninstall/nvslimmer couldn't recognize 389.xx driver files and I blindly installed it without 3dvision, GFE package and Physx. Now, it has only one container process, updated nvi control panel as 461.xx and no more FPS drops or stutters on High setting at FHD.

 

I'm honestly just not a fan of "Windows as a service" I'm sure if W10 was a lot like traditional versions of Windows and it stayed the same for 10 years it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Even if it would have gotten a few service pack updates or so.

 

And, it certainly doesn't help that they learn nothing from their past successes and failures. They are very effective at replicating their mistakes and not caring about what customers end users want. Micro$lop only cares about Micro$lop. Most people think they don't have a choice in what OS to use, and that facilitates their lack of regard for the end users.

 

I want to use Linux, I love Linux and their LTS versions of their distros like Ubuntu. But I also like the support of Windows having support for almost everything, so LTSB/C is a good middle ground between both since I don't really like having things change on me every year and a half.

In theory I could use an unsupported older build of Windows 10 and use it as my daily OS without upgrading the build, as long as I keep some sort of anti virus and do safe browsing habits like you would using older unsupported versions of Windows. (I still have yet to test that out tho) just a random thought.

 

One question I have is that a few games require the ms store/xbox app to work, mostly ms games. If I wipe this home2004 and go with ltsc is it possible to get those apps installed without an ms account? All that was installed already on here and I only have a remote account. Not interested in getting some ms account just for a game or two.

 

Which games specifically do you need the ms store for? I've found that you don't need the ms store for Gears of War 5 or the Master Chief Collection.

If the games are available on steam as well, you don't need the ms store.

 

Was wondering about the release of Forza on steam and read that msstore was needed to run it, guess I'm good to go then. I'll try it out on my old laptop that has ltsc on it, although that is a potato overall lol

 

Linux is awesome and better than Windoze. The only reason I still use Windoze is because there are too many software titles I want to use that do not work on Linux.

Windows 7 was awesome. Then the Redmond Reprobates ruined everything.

 

I use Linux more than I use Windows. Just remember, always remember - - Linux was born as a failure, until real programmers stepped in. And it is but repackaging, not a breakthrough really. Just to let you know that there are some of us who view all this necessary evil stuff as another technology.
Spare me Kool-Aid on any of the fronts. And all that systemd, snapd horror concoctions. I like Void Linux, and it is a pity that they have no resources for a stable, LTS branch.
Heck, I am old enough to remember times when proper UNIX was buggy and unstable. I also remember how that little Finnish creature was giving himself to all radio stations in Europe with his obligatory "And unlike Mr. Gates I shall finish my school and get my Degree". They were lucky that BSD had the AT&T lawsuit at that moment. So, spare me this Linux drool-fest, please. All they have achieved was their old brothers slaughter, e.g. IRIX, Solaris, etc. There are fantastic alternative Operational Systems out there, and Linux/GNU is not one of them. Again, I use it more than use Windows. I have to.

 

How much more private is it to actually use a local account in general?

 

Read the Cons of Logging in With a Windows Account
https://www.lifewire.com/local-vs-microsoft-accounts-in-windows-3507003

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nd-announcements.826887/page-60#post-11032848

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nd-announcements.826887/page-77#post-11053963

 

This is off topic sorry but I was wondering if anyone knows where to get a trustworthy source for win7 very lite custom image? I'm really tired of the sluggishness of my old netbook that has win7 home 32 on there, but I think a 10 lite would be too much for the puny atom/2gb. Linux out because I just use too much on there that's windows native. It's a camping mule lol

 

Windows 7 very lite? Windows 7 is already light. What else do you need?

I have an official ISO if you want

 

Hi @Papusan or anyone who can help me. I am running Windows 10 LTSC and have updated windows manually offline. Now I have realized I dont have .net 3.5 installed. I have found an offline installer with 200mbs sized plus but when I try to install this offline it won't work. I am assuming it still wants me to run my laptop connected to the internet. Also for you to be aware when I tried to install it I disabled my O&O Shut Up 10 and Windows Update blocker. Still no luck. Maybe the installer I found was not correct. Hope someone can guide me and share a link to the correct one. Thanks.

 

1) Download .NET 3.5

Make sure to right click on the file(s) you just downloaded, go to Properties, then hit Unblock from the bottom right as it may be blocked since it was downloaded from the internet, if you don't do this before you run the file or extract it, then it may not install correctly.
To prevent this automatic blocking of files in the future so you don't have to go unblocking every file you download to ensure it runs properly, follow the guide in this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/are-you-sure-you-want-to-run-this-file-yes-or-no.825668/

2) How install CAB files

Alternatively, if you insert the USB stick of the Windows 10 LSTC Installer:

• How to install .NET Framework 3.5 (include .NET 2.0 and 3.0) feature in offline mode

 

Once you have installed whatever Win 10 OS from Usb stick start run the command as mentioned below by bro Spartan. Remember yoo already have the Win 10 usb stick in your machine after the install so it takes only a few sec more before you start put up the OS tweaks for your taste.

 

Without connecting to internet at all, we can reduce spying by 99%.

I use abbodi's package which can save 300-500MB of ISO space since we can install it silently and even run dism cleanup w/o getting "Some pending operations, so deferring cleanup to next schedule".
https://github.com/abbodi1406/dotNetFx35W10/releases/tag/v0.20.01

 

No I have a few stock ms images but I know that just like there are w10lite versions that there were win7lite versions that use less resources but since it's so old now it's hard to find trusted places to get them. Probably old links up here.

 

Edited:
Ignore please as I have figured it out. Thank you very much. ^_^

 

The patch update mess from Redmond continue. Second Out-of-band patch for same bugs within 3 days. Maybe Microsoft's engineers also found more problems and hide it in the patch

March 18, 2021—KB5001638 (OS Build 17763.1823) Out-of-band

Highlights

• Updates an issue that fails to print the graphical content in a document after installing the March 9, 2021 update.

Improvements and fixes
This non-security update includes quality improvements. Key changes include:

• Addresses an issue that fails to print the graphical content in a document after installing the March 9, 2021 update.

If you installed earlier updates, only the new fixes contained in this package will be downloaded and installed on your device.

Direct download link: KB5001638

 

Still waiting for few days before installing the updates.

 

^^^ what, not trusting Great White Chief in Redmond ? Offering glass pearls, mirrors and whisky, in exchange for the eternal mining rights in one's privacy.

Did KB5001638 upon release, tedious install with vast amount of disc \ processor activity, must be quite deeprooted modifications done.
But all looks good so far.

A roundup: https://www.ghacks.net/2021/03/21/u...ch-of-a-patch-rollout-to-fix-printing-issues/

 

While some of Microsoft's engineers push out buggy patches in a race we have never seen before, the other engineering department in Redmond HQ try to build a new OS version on the same current disgusting buggy mess. What a Joke!

Update 3/21/21: Added statement from Microsoft.

“We are working to fix the issues some customers may be experiencing when printing from some apps.”- a Microsoft spokesperson.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nd-announcements.826887/page-86#post-11085471

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Edit.

Windows 10 KB5001649 issues fixed, rollout resumes for everyone windowslatest.com - March 22, 2021

Microsoft is resuming the rollout of the Windows 10 KB5001649 update after halting it on Friday evening. The tech giant published this cumulative update on Thursday (March 18) to address printer bugs for those running Windows 10 version 20H2/2004, but quietly stopped due to an installation bug that was hitting almost everyone.

Now, after spending some time squashing those bugs, the rollout of the KB5001649 update for Windows 10 is resuming, presumably with a fix in place.

 

Seems to me, that the "dated" old model of releasing service packs, isn't so bad after all? What a giant pile of steaming excrement. Of course we have all known this for quite some time, right?

 

Yuppers. A stinky chocolate choo-choo train.

 

March 25, 2021-KB5000854 (OS Build 17763.1852) Preview


Highlights

• Updates an issue with zoom that occurs when using Microsoft Edge IE Mode on devices that use multiple high-DPI monitors.
  
  
• Updates an issue that displays nothing or shows “Computing Filters” indefinitely when you filter File Explorer search results.
  
  
• Updates an issue with Japanese input that occurs after focus changes between boxes in Microsoft Edge Legacy.
  

Improvements and fixes
This non-security update includes quality improvements. Key changes include:

• Addresses an issue with zoom that occurs when using Microsoft Edge IE Mode on devices that use multiple high-DPI monitors.
  
  
• Allows administrators to use a Group Policy to enable extended keyboard shortcuts, including Ctrl+S, for users in Microsoft Edge IE Mode.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that prevents users from adjusting or turning off the touchpad because of administrative settings.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with Japanese input that occurs after focus changes between boxes in Microsoft Edge Legacy.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with USB 3.0 hubs. A device connected to the hub might stop working when you set the device to hibernate or restart the device.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that displays nothing or shows “Computing Filters” indefinitely when you filter File Explorer search results.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with a heap leak that might cause explorer.exe to consume high amounts of memory.
  
  
• Updates the Volgograd, Russia time zone from UTC+4 to UTC+3.
  
  
• Adds a new time zone, UTC+2:00 Juba, for the Republic of South Sudan.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with the Windows Event Log Forwarding client, which returns the first matching certificate without checking private key permissions. With this update, the Windows Event Log Forwarding client selects the client’s certificate only if the Network Service has read permissions for the private key.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that causes PowerShell-based monitors to stop working when you enable transcription on the systems.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that prevents App-V applications from opening and generates error 0xc0000225.
  
  
• Addresses an issue in which some machines enrolled with a mobile device management (MDM) service fail to sync if the device manufacturer's name contains a reserved character.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with RSA key generation that generates a damaged key.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that prevents users from using the Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) to connect to a Windows Server 2019 device that is in Desktop Experience mode.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that might prompt for credentials when not needed and might fail to authenticate in an Azure Active Directory environment.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that causes multiple instances of appidcertstorecheck.exe to run on a system when AppLocker is enabled and the system is not on the internet.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that might prevent Hypervisor-Protected Code Integrity (HVCI) from being enabled when you configure it using a Group Policy.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that causes a black screen or delays signing in to a Hybrid Azure Active Directory joined machine while the machine attempts to connect to login.microsoftonline.com.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that prevents the Chromium-based Microsoft Edge from working. This issue occurs when Microsoft Edge is used in combination with Microsoft App-V and fonts are enabled inside the virtual environment.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that causes a virtual machine (VM) to lose internet connectivity when you configure the Instance-Level Public IP and outbound network address translation (NAT) for the VM.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with input-output memory management unit (IoMMU) support on certain processors for Windows Server 2019 guest VMs that are on server virtualization software.
  
  
• Addresses possible race conditions that occur when the system calls NtOpenKeyEx(),which results in a stop error.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with high memory usage when performing XSLT transforms using MSXLM6.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that prevents Server Message Block 1 (SMB1) clients from accessing the SMB share after restarting the LanmanServer service.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that might cause the cluster network interface to stop working for a short time. As a result, the network interface controller (NIC) is marked as failed. When the network is operational again, the system might not detect that the NIC is working and the NIC remains in a failed status.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with signing in to a device that is in the current domain by using the default user profile of a device that is in a different, but trusted domain. The profile service of the current domain cannot retrieve the default user profile from the trusted domain and uses the local default user profile instead.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with evaluating the compatibility status of the Windows ecosystem to help ensure application and device compatibility for all updates to Windows.
  
  
• Addresses an issue that turns on Caps lock unexpectedly when using RemoteApp.
  
  
• Adds new capabilities to the Packet Monitor (PKTMON) network diagnostic tool.
  
  
• Addresses an issue with the svhost process that hosts the Microsoft-Windows-TerminalServices-LocalSessionManager. The svhost process consumes increasingly large amounts of memory because of a leak in COMMAND_ENTRY objects. Memory leaks might cause issues when signing in to an application or to the Remote Desktop. In extreme cases, the server might stop responding.
  

If you installed earlier updates, only the new fixes contained in this package will be downloaded and installed on your device.


Direct download link: KB5000854

 

Well, if anyone remembers huge disk space usage or stuck at Preparing to update... screen on Win Vista Sp1 to sp2 and Win 7 to Win 7 SP1 which was horrible since you had to reinstall the whole thing and start over if the updates got stuck!
Fast forward to present, we have lot of Win 10 versions released every year including LTSC /IoT/Enterprise/Workstation/Data center etc.. and still we face some regression due to MSFT or 3 party apps/drivers.
In a way, we don't have to buy licenses every OS release of Windows 10 but which OS is supported longer and stable is pretty hard to find nowadays unless you want bleeding edge Software.

 

Probably a stupid question but does LTSC support VR? (Im not talking about using WMR) things like support for things like the Oculus Rift S.

 

I can't say for certain simply because I don't do anything with VR, but I am not aware of any reason it would not. Maybe if the VR hardware provider is a Micro$lop butt-kisser they could do something to break their product so it only works on the newest versions of Windows, but that really wouldn't be in their best interest unless they are accepting bribes that are more profitable for them than leaving the freedom to choose to the end-user.

 

It does. I do SteamVR development on a laptop with LTSC installed on it and VR works flawlessly.

I have specifically used the Oculus Rift S and The Oculus Quest during development.

 

That's really great to know. What do you work on for VR?

 

I create realistic environments for players to explore using Unity. The application I'm working on is specifically for hospital patients.

 

Edited:
Ignore please. Realized put on the wrong thread. Sorry.

 

The Microsoft Store is working perfectly fine on LTSC and is available to download in the OP (don't forget to unblock the file before unzziping)

O&O ShutUp10 has nothing to do with the functionality of the MS Store.

 

I know this thread is meant for LTSC but I need a bit of help with LTSB 2016, I want to use an older build of Windows 10 since my drivers work for LTSB (thanks AMD) when I boot off of my usb (I booted using UEFI) but I keep getting "B1initializelibrary failed 0xc00009a" when trying to boot into the setup. I never had any problems installing LTSC 2019, I just want to use an older build. Any help would be appreciated.

 

That seems like it might be an AMD firmware (Agesa) problem. If there is a Secure Boot component to it, you should disable that. Also, if you have an option to use Legacy BIOS (or UEFI with CSM) use that instead of a pure UEFI mode. You may need to create a new USB installation media if you built it to run in UEFI mode only.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...failed-start-os-on-64-bit-uefi-based-computer

 

One word of warning though, and I hope this doesn't apply to you, because unfortunately it did to me.

There were programs that I would try to install on LTSB 2016 that would halt the install saying it needed to run on v. 1703 or newer. Thus forcing the move to LTSC 2019 in my case.

 

I experienced the same. I also could not get any drivers (stock or modded) that would allow my 2080 Ti to work on a Windows 10 OS older than 1703. Windows 7 works flawlessly (thank God) but weird (and ludicrous) that an older version of Windows 10 does not. I just wish they would knock it off with the control freak crap. Let people use whatever they want and mind their own damned business. The fake incompatibility nonsense needs to stop.

 

I really hate how some programs or games etc require a specific build of Windows 10. What difference does it make if I want to use 1607 over 1703 or 1809 or whatever build it wants me to use for the program to work as long as its Windows 10 it shouldn't matter whether I'm running 1507 or 20H2. This has never been a problem with previous versions of Windows with 8.1 and earlier.

 

I'm thankful that AMD seems to be less strict when it comes to whatever build of Windows 10 you're running. (Or might just be my specific hardware, specs are in my signature) I mainly just use my PC for creativity, PC gaming and VR gaming (all I ever play is HL Alyx and H3VR at this point) I just want to run an older build of Windows 10 at least 1607 to get rid of the newer features that are on newer builds to make it lightweight, fast and to have my OS get out of the way with a lot less trash I'll never use.

 

Yes, that really sucks. I hate it, too. It makes me very angry when I find out I need a cancer version of Windoze to play a game. I refuse to purchase any more games from Micro$lop Studios because of it. All their UWP filth from the Micro$lop Store is like that. They can keep their rubbish.

That's good for folks that own, or might be interested in owning, an AMD-powered system. I'm still using Windows 7 and LTSC with my Intel/NVIDIA powered system and don't plan to stop using either of them regardless of whether they are "supported" by the Redmond Reprobates or not. I am not interested in anything new that is offered by AMD or Intel right now, so I doubt what the Redmond Reprobates do in the short-term is going to affect me much.

 

Hello all,

Much respect to all of the work being done on this and the knowledge and skill involved. I also want to learn how to limit microsoft control over my system.

I have been reading but still don't have the full picture yet.

If LTSC has zero bloat already, then how does the tweaks and fix thread relate?

And what is different between the de-bloated LTSC 2019 compared to this version of LTSC if there is already no bloat?

Does LTSC automatically update? (cause I don't want it to be able to do that)

Thanks.

 

You were accusing us all of using non-genuine licenses of LTSC as there is no way to get a real license and now you're asking for help?

 

PSA: All versions of Windows 10 have a default key you can use to activate them. These are available in both retail and KMS variants. You can find the default KMS keys in microsoft's own documentation here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/kmsclientkeys

Note these are KMS keys, so you will need to connect to a KMS server to activate them. One KMS server I know of is kms8.msguides.com.

If you'd rather use a generic retail key, you can find those here: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/95922-generic-product-keys-install-windows-10-editions.html

Enjoy using Windows 10 for free legally. I'm pretty sure this knowledge was only meant for enterprise customers. The more you know, the better. Knowledge is power!

 

The bloat that we referred to before was the crap that comes with the regular consumer versions that barely anyone actually uses, such as Cortana, the Microsoft Store, garbage UWP apps that come preinstalled and can't be removed, etc. Windows 10 LTSC doesn't have any of this.

The debloated version of Windows 10 LTSC by S.K. takes things a step further and disables unnecessary services such as telemetry and other garbage to speed up your system further. So basically it's a debloat of a debloat.

As for update behavior, I've never seen it automatically update. I know for a fact that S.K.'s verison won't since the Windows update service is permanently disabled on his build.

 

I suppose that I presented my questions before in a manner where I could be accused of being accusatory.


I hope that people will immediately approve of your comment though so that you get the validation and consensus that you need.

 

NP, well, jokes aside. Yes LTSC is much better than the regular consumer versions as in, it has no Cortana, no MS Store (some people like me still need it), the ability to disable Telemetry from the Group Policy Editor BUT there is still a room for improvement such as:

1) Disabling Windows Defender not only from the Settings and Group Policy Editor but also from its roots including all the locked services that run at startup.

2) Disabling the Telemetry service completely.

3) Disabling the Customer Improvement Experience Program from Group Policy.

Just to note a few.

Honestly speaking, the tweaks I run on both LTSC and the consumer editions are the same, I used to prefer LTSC simply because the newer versions are slower and inferior but now I am forced to use the consumer edition until we get the LTSC refresh in late 2021 as some things don't work on build 1809 anymore which LTSC is based on like 3DMark's tests some of them don't work.

 

Thanks for the info. I don't really care about the legality as much as having a version of LSTC that keeps functioning and is fairly straightforward to load and configure.

I was trying to avoid a taking measures I heard about to prevent getting in trouble while running bootleg versions. And I was trying to avoid discussing it here because I didn't know the protocol. Basically I was looking for simpler option.
And someone I know was trying to tell me there wasn't one.

That sounds excellent !

 

I actually can't wait for LTSC 2022 to come out, hope to get my hands on a full ISO of it soon. I'm still not a fan of how they cut the support in half. (I assume you'll need an MSDN subscription for someone to get their hands on a full ISO instead of an evaluation) 21H2 is apparently going to be a massive update when it comes to the UI being more modern and or consistent.

 

Really good info. So are your 1) 2) 3) steps for LTSC in the tweaks also?

I can probably get away with using 1809. I don't use 3DMark.


Btw, I have been aware since I signed up here that you really know your stuff on this topic. So I didn't mean to tic you off or come off disrespectful.