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    Windows 10 Redstone 4

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. Mari1225

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    Thankks for this!! I got it installed and working on my desktop... Its older one... I got it updated and all works so far! I followed the clean install guide you made too.. still reading lol :notworthy: :spinny:
     
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    @Papusan @Mr. Fox @Falkentyne

    Just ran a Cinebench @ 4.4 GHz. there is not a difference in the score between Redstone 3 and Redstone 4 and FYI Mr. Poopoosan, even though I installed Windows 10 Pro for Workstations as a clean install (not an upgrade from Home or Pro), I have not a Gaming Mode Performance plan :rolleyes:

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    This build is snappier than RS3 and 0 bugs so far
     
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    Thanks for confirming Phoenix. But, but... What with promised Ultimate vs High Performance powa plan? :vbbiggrin:
     
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    seems to me the most important thing for j00 lately is this magical power plan that Micro$h4ft promised us for Windows 10 Pro for Workstation :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, and If it has worked it would be the only reason for people or me to upgrade. The rest of this new glossy package is probably more spyware.
     
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    Yes I paid $150 USD for the upgrade to see how the Ultimate plan works and my money is blown

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh man. Sorry you flushed $150 down the toilet. That sucks.

    I thought that the fancy schmancy dangling carrot RS4 gimmick power plan hoax only applied to desktops, or am I not remembering that correctly?
     
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    Not sure, some muppet on MDL forums is telling me that he does have the Ultimate Power Plan but he upgraded from Windows 10 Pro on Redstone 3 to Windows 10 Pro for Workstation on Redstone 4.

    Not planning on wasting a full day of formatting to see if installing let's say Home Edition first then performing an upgrade would help because you see, the thing is, even though this was a clean install, check my info:

    Notice the CBS says Professional but before when I upgraded to Windows 10 Pro for WS using the store, it changed the CBS to ProfessionalWorkstation maybe that's my problem
     
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    I also have no idea. I am still using Enterprise N 2016 LTSB with no installed updates and plan to remain there indefinitely, along side Windows 7.
     
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    and are you able to install the latest nCrapia Drivers on such an old build?
     
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    I'm running Win 10 Pro N - upgraded from my Win 7 Ultimate N key in December. I dual boot with both OS, but I only use Win 7 now for offline gaming or working. If I am not connected to the internet then no one can attack me :D and 90% of the games I play are offline, so why idle online 365 days of the year. lol
     
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    Seems like it. Although, the latest drivers are often not the best drivers. I do not normally install newer drivers unless I have to. If everything works correctly, newer drivers serve no valid purpose on my systems.
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    I hear you, bro. I do not like online gameplay, so I pretty much avoid that as well. I'm not worried about being attacked though. I just prefer Windows 7 because it is an all-around better product. I am questioning myself more and more now why I even bother wasting drive space on Windows 10, and the only real reasons I can identify are so I can run Time Spy and get slightly better scores in Fire Strike. Apart from those, I cannot really identify valid reasons that Windows 10 needs to exist, and if it did not, those two things would not matter any more. I definitely feel like any calories burned on Windows 10 at this point is a waste of time and resources that could be used on something more important.
     
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    :pOk trying RS4 on my Sager NP9876 (Clevo P870KM-G) ..... installing now.... I just hope all goes as well as the desktop :D. These guides really help ... without these I would never attempt such things ! Thanks to you all!! :)
     
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    Maybe you can use the other nice features for Pro workstation o_O Maybe M$ idiots will offer special valuble apps for this version :D
    Maybe we can install the new OS Crap without the battery :D Aka its a pure desktop :p Or the telemetry already know the hardware ID's :eek: Dang!!
     
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    Uh oh ran into issues... does anyone know how to fix the microphone issues with realtec audio drivers on this version of win 10 pro? :(
     
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    Yeah, my laptop has always had Realtek driver issues for last 8 months or so, I am forced to go to Clevo driver download page and use the original reak tek drivers from jan 2017 for everything to work.

    what is your model number of Clevo/Sager? I will try to help you. PM me.
     
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    LORD please lol I just spent 3 hours trying to fix these. I have a NP9876 CLevo p870km-g ... Thank you foryour help. :notworthy:

    **All fixed now!! :p
     
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    http://www.clevo.com/en/e-services/download/ftpout_download.asp?sno=8669&no=1

    also don't forget to install the soundblaster feb 6 drivers after you install the realtek ones.

    http://www.clevo.com/en/e-services/download/ftpout_download.asp?sno=8680&no=1 direct link to the soundblaster

    i would use the feb 6, 2017 ones.
    and here is all your drivers. http://www.clevo.com/en/e-services/download/ftpOut.asp?Lmodel=P87xKMx&ltype=9&submit=+GO+
     
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    Thank you soo much!!! :D
     
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    Just curious... How many secs difference are we talking about? What are your times with RS3/4 and What are you wanting the times to be instead ? :D
     
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    Basic app loading and UI response time is quite high even on PCIe SSDs.
    TH2 and RS1 were the best. I feel Old is Gold.
     
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    @Mr. Fox @Papusan

    So I've been tearing my head apart trying to figure out what am I doing wrong so that Im not having the Ultimate Power Plan on my Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, then finally after posting my detailed system info on MDL forums, Slave has answered me:

    [​IMG]
     
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    wow seriously? will TS override the power plan by setting speed shift epp to 0?
     
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    New improvement I noticed in Redstone 4, now the Defrag & Optimize Drives no longer shows drives that you are not able to optimize or defrag. Example, my 1TB 850 EVO + 4TB 840 EVO which are setup as as a single spanned drive where you could not run the TRIM command on them using the Defrag & Optimize in addition to the system partitions that Windows creates when installing Windows. Well, now only the drives that you can optimize are shown. Good job Microsoft! Finally, one positive change after you've literally destroyed this OS!

    [​IMG]

    @Papusan @Mr. Fox @TBoneSan
     
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    No, TS will be able to work perfectly w/o any issue with EPP/HWP setting. Hybrid shutdown may cause issues so disable it.
     
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    Any outstanding issue you noticed? Maybe it'll help. I will put it in Feedback Email from MSFT.
     
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    I compiled a custom version of RS4 RTM(Hope so) with Home and Pro editions and deleted N versions. So far, Home SL edition aren't there.
     
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    Nada! Perfect. Compared to Redstone 3, Redstone 3 behave like an Alpha with bugs everywhere, force closes when you're in PC Settings, lag, slow boot, this fixes it all. The boot is not faster than the old builds but definitely faster than RS3
     
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    Ok thanks.
    I made those points very clear with example videos in my feedback dunno if they actually my response but I have done my part.
    I did ask them to disable Game Mode if the system is capable, looks like they removed the toggle button entirely.
    At first I thought Nada! meant You were cursing Nadella, after searching the meaning in urban dict. I got to know the precise meaning.
    Any news about Win 10 Home Single Language for RS4 being made available?
    EDIT:
    No need to reply to my post at MDL.
     
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    Nada means nothing d00d

    Who are you on MDL? :rolleyes:
     
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    VDev
     
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    @Papusan @Mr. Fox

    Source
     
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    @Papusan @Mr. Fox @Falkentyne

    Create the Ultimate Power Plan manually , choose High Performance then edit the config to the following:

    Default settings for Ultimate Performance:

    - Hard drive > Turn off hard disk after (0 minutes).
    - Internet Explorer > JavaScript Timer Frequency (Maximum Performance)
    - Desktop background settings > Slide show (Available)
    - Wireless Adapter Settings > Power Saving Mode (Maximum Performance)
    - Sleep > Allow wake timers (Enabled)
    - USB settings > USB selective suspend setting (Enabled)
    - Power buttons and lid > Power button action (Shut down)
    - PCI Express > Link State Power Management (Off)
    - Processor power management > System cooling policy (Active)
    - Display > Turn off display after (15 minutes)
    - Display > Enable adaptive brightness (Off)
    - Multimedia settings > When sharing media (Prevent idling to sleep)
    - Multimedia settings > Video playback quality bias (Video playback performance bias)
    - Multimedia settings > When playing video (Optimize video quality)
     
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    LOOL
    Yeah, I can clearly see not only Micro$h4ft release SCAM. Same also for Intel. Thermal Velocity Boost, LOOOL. + Add in Ultimate Performance power plan from M$ upload_2018-4-3_19-20-4.png

    What notebooks will have cooling capacity to hold Cpu temp around 50C during prolonged load? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-43#post-10705590
     
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    Run this to get additional options for max performance. https://gist.github.com/Nt-gm79sp/1f8ea2c2869b988e88b4fbc183731693
     
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    [​IMG]

    Downloading Redstone 4 via the Media Creation tool using a small tweak:

    <FileName>17133.1.180323-1312.rs4_release_CLIENTCHINA_RET_x64FRE_zh-cn.esd</FileName>

    [​IMG]

    How to do this?

    1) Download the Media Creation Tool and place it in the root of your C:\ Drive

    2) Download the products.cab and place it in the root of your C:\ Drive

    3) Run Command Prompt As Admin

    4) Type CD\ to go back to the root of C:\

    5) Type mediacreationtool.exe /selfhost

    The Media Creation Tool now will launch but will download the latest Redstone 4 directly from Microsoft.

    to verify, while you are running the tool, go to C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources (it's a hidden folder) and double click on products.xml

    It should say in the contents

    <FileName>17133.1.180323-1312.rs4_release_CLIENTCHINA_RET_x64FRE_zh-cn.esd</FileName>

    [​IMG]
     
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    Just created my Windows 10 Redstone Official USB Install Stick successfully using the above method

    [​IMG]
     
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    Is there something better or special about the Chinese version? Or, is downloading it from a China host the only way to get a direct download of RS4?
     
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    Maybe the chinese version come with preinstalled chinese cartoon player? xD
     
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    @scarface75 did make a version of RS4 Pro with most bloats removed. Its only 3GB.
     
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    Is that a bloat-free version, or a normal retail abortion version?
     
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    Loki edition.
     
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    How is that compared to the ISO you can download direcly with the Heidoc tool?
     
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    I used Rus version and it runs great. I will send the NTLite custom profile file if you need it.
     
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    Rus version from the heidoc tool?

    PM me the NTlite file, I'll try it out.
     
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    No, from cloud.run you get US version too. I will send it in a zip file.
     
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