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    Windows 10 Redstone 4

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Feb 23, 2018.

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    Honestly though it would still last a very long time. Many of the high end TLC drives like the EVO actually can take more writes than advertised as can be seen in the Enterprise equivalents. They put a lower artificial limit on the consumer units as they probably don’t want enterprise users cheaping out and buying EVOs/PROs over the enterprise units. 2% wear with 7 installs plus all the extra stuff you installed on top of that is pretty decent. Pretty sure even in rough use it would last you more than 5-6 Years. Another thing is I usually format my SSD to only 960 Pro to 400GB out 476 available to keep more spare Area (Overprovisioning) for write amplification once the drive is full. As you get more full, write amplification can increase significantly (causes significant wear) so for every write to the cells you actually have like multiple more writes as the SSD shuffles data around. Unlike HDDs SSDs actually have the advertised space, like a 512GB SSD has 512 GB of NAND with ~6.8% used for spare area. Free space as well as unpartitioned space is also used automatically as an overprovision to help reduce write amplification. Modern drives will perform just as well as they did in terms of transfer rates by the end of their lives as they did in the beginning.

    Also look at this SSD lifespan experiment by tech report, many of these lasted way more than their official TBW limits.
    https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

    Spare area vs Write Amplification
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/6489/playing-with-op

    TLC NAND is very slow like 300-500 MB/s so unused space is dynamically used as an SLC buffer, usually around 12-15 GB on 256 GB drives and double on 512 GB drives so you get much faster writes till you transfer large enough data loads, when the SLC bufffer is saturated speeds would drop from like 2-3,000 MB/s to like 500 MB/s till data is cleared from the SLC cache and moved out to the TLC portion. Most consumers won’t run into this issue as unless you are exporting like Adobe Premier Video projects or something.

    TLDR: Don’t worry your drive last many years.
    Real reason a MLC drive would benefit would be that it doesn’t need SLC caching like TLC drives. A good TLC drive with a good controller can be better than a ****ty MLC drive with a low end controller. TLC 3D V-NAND drives have comparable endurance to 2D planar MLC drives especially with improvements with newer gen controllers.
     
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    Maybe update that Clean installing OS count to 20 over the course of 1.5 yrs.
    With 256GB OP'ing is a little hard.
     
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    All depends on what TLC drive you buy as well as how hot they will run. Some will have decreased the drive remaining life down to 95% after a couple of months use. Push it and you will see it will continue it's travel down the ground. With faster and faster speed.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Yup that’s why I said NAND and controller quality matters at the end. The EVO I would consider a high quality TLC drive that’s got endurance comparable to decent planar NAND MLC drives. Also note on wiping and installing you would have a huge write load but after that initial period you would have a lot less writes per day on average. I still prefer MLC only but that’s due to paranoia and not due to facts or practicality :). Lastly realize that Samsung used larger milimeter process NAND for 3D V-NAND drives like 960 EVO/PRO which also increases life span vs the smaller 14-19mm NAND used in the 2D planar MLC/TLC drives (ie 840 series). Ironically means older planar MLC drives had more raw endurance than newer planar MLC drives though that was offset by controller improvements. With the 860 and 970 series 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Samsung reduced the process size back to like 19mm I think just like the latest 2D planar drives (ie 840 Pro/Evo). Smaller process means more chips per wafer and higher profits but reduces raw NAND endurance. Despite that endurance is still pretty high so Samsung actually still upped the warrantied TBW on the 860/970 series drives.
     
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    What's going on here? [​IMG]

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    Windows is so bad he’s reinstalling so many times so he’s wondering if he needs a new drive. Joking :). I apologize for going off on a tangent. Guys can get back to topic.
     
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    Windows 10 Spring Creators Update AKA Disaster 4 update should be available tomorrow via the new Media Creation Tool.
     
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    Will you make a bloatware free by any chance? ^_^
     
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    No sir, Windows 10 has become so complex to the point where these boosts are removal tools always break things
     
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    Seems we reached to the point that windows 10 is hopeless and not managable.. I was asking as I remembered before that windows 10 is crap but can be tweaked and tamed if done properly.. Very sad.. Anyways I'll keep following your work and post.. Thank you very much.. ^_^
     
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    How broken do things get? I used the most recent (8.3?) msmg toolkit to remove the Win. Store (cr)apps, and components. Nothing seems to have gone FUBAR yet - although I did get an error in SFC regarding a corrupt Onedrive dll even though it's been removed.

    There are no current settings for removing Defender/Cortana yet and I would imagine that's where most of the problems would be
     
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    @Phoenix @Mr. Fox ++ all not mentioned but not forgotten.

    Installed the new Pastel colored Junk called Win 10 1803 April Update. To check out the new Ultimate SCAM Performance vs. old High Performance Power Plan. I controlled the Processor settings in power plan with Coder Bag Core Parking tool + Bitsum parkControl (You can show park settings for processor in Win Power Settings with this tools). Why people have to pay more for this Win 10 Pro Workstation OS (designed for workstations) is something I will never understand. @Phoenix :rolleyes: Almost no changes. Aka Nothing new - Minor changes, worth nothing!! I have the Norwegian OS version, but it should be easy to understand the numbers. As expected.... Micro$h4ft try all dirty tricks/ways to grab a few more $$$ from your wallets.

    Windows High Performance power Plan....
    [​IMG]

    The new Optimal Performance (Ultimate Performance Power plan)....
    [​IMG]

    Bitsum Highest Performance Power plan....
    [​IMG]
     
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    Probably not a scam, could have changes in relation to process management to reduce “micro latencies” as they put it and other stuff not visible in settings. I mean they did say it’s not really meant for gamers and oriented to workstations and those users probably have Pro anyway for things like Hyper-V etc so more like a small bonus for those who already have it.
     
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    Are there ESD files available for 1804? I need one for W10 Enterprise.
     
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    I don't trust Micro$h4ft. See... https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ort-from-windows-10-pro-push-workstation-sku/

    This ultimate power profile showed a minor change in processor settings vs. High performance plan, and they could adopt it into High Performance power Plan in all OS versions if they wanted from the beginning. But this <new> power profile was needed in Win 10 Pro Workstation OS, in the same way as they removed full ReFS support from Windows 10 Pro and throw it into the so called new high-end edition of Windows 10 Pro. And we can clearly see how Win 10 Pro looks more and more as the Home Edition :D

    https://betanews.com/2018/05/04/how-to-enable-ultimate-performance-power-plan-in-windows-10/
    "This new plan is really designed for workstations, but gamers and video editors will benefit from it too. It likely won’t be available to simply switch to on your PC, but you can enable it with this simple hack."
     
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    I think the ESD file for enterprise version will be available later, only the Home/regular Pro versions are available as of now IIRC.



    Regarding to papu's post, most from what I see have different value on BATTERY and not on AC power (plugged in), so it makes sense to have lower performance on battery to extend the battery life and prevent possible overdraw that can damage the battery.
     
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    @saturnotaku pm me for Windows 10 Enterprise 1803/1804 EN-US ISO extracted from the ESD
     
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    New Bluetooth Features in Windows 10 April 2018 Update
    If your device comes with a Bluetooth module, then you can use it with a wide range of wireless peripherals. It will allow you to pair your laptop or tablet with a bunch of devices like a mobile phone, wireless keyboards, mice, headsets and other tablets and laptops. Yeah very nice. Maybe they rather should use their resources on deliver better core features? Aka better performance and no Telemetry?:oops:
     
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    still i use w7 bt driver to accomplish things.
     
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    @Mr. Fox

    Mission aborted to debloat using MSMG. Upon reading some posts on MDL, it is still buggy. Micro$h4ft are making it really for that guy to get this thing working.
     
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    Major Windows Security Flaw Is Being Exploited Right Now As Microsoft Pushes Out A Fix
    Yesterday was Patch Tuesday,
    which means that Microsoft issued a number of security updates for its operating systems and software suites. However, one particular exploit that caught our attention is already been exploited in the real world on Windows-based systems. The flaw was first discovered in the Windows VBScript engine by researchers from Qihoo 360 Core Security.

    For those that remember, this is the Double Kill exploit that Qihoo 360 Core Security described late last month, but it now has an official designation: CVE-2018-8174. According to Microsoft, there is a flaw in the way that the VBScript engine that allows for remote code execution. Microsoft goes on to confirm the that is exploit is pretty nasty, writing:

    An attacker who successfully exploited the vulnerability could gain the same user rights as the current user. If the current user is logged on with administrative user rights, an attacker who successfully exploited the vulnerability could take control of an affected system. An attacker could then install programs; view, change, or delete data; or create new accounts with full user rights.

    The bad news, however, is that this security flaw can force Internet Explorer to load -- even if it is not the default browser -- and that it is already being actively exploited.

    "This is the first time we've seen a URL moniker used to load an IE exploit, and we believe this technique will be used heavily by malware authors in the future," wrote security analysts from Kaspersky Labs. "This technique allows one to load and render a web page using the IE engine, even if the default browser on a victim's machine is set to something different."
     
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    Well, better to wait and get it right on the first go. No worries here as far as timeline, as I have no incentive to use a newer version of Windoze OS X than what I am using now along with Windows 7. Everything newer is a downgraded inferior product.
    w7.JPG w10.JPG
     
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    NTLite is buggy too.

    I suppose the Patch Tuesday has those fixes right? I uninstall IE and WMP first time I install Win 10.

    Still believe Anniversary edition was best version of w10. Disable Game mode for more performance.
     
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    I wondered why my 365 word stopped working lol maybe I can update from here to fix it.....

    EDIT: Nope not it lol I guess you have to allow the telemetry crap for this to run correctly lol Originally I had shut off telemetery through autoruns cus it constantly ran....

    Edit 2: I got it to work without telemetry!! I turned the update and telemetry off now :)
     
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    Third Cumulative Update for Windows 10 April 2018 Update Is Now Live o_O
    Windows 10 April 2018 Update 17134.83 (KB4338548) changelog
    "This update addresses an issue where the 2017 and 2018 versions of Intuit QuickBooks Desktop can’t run in multi-user mode on Windows 10, version 1803 devices. The QuickBooks multi-user mode service fails to start with error “Windows could not start the QuickBooksDBXX service on Local Computer.” and “Error 193: 0xc1”."

    Known issues: Microsoft is not aware of any issues that affect this update currently :rolleyes:

    It’s possible we will receive another cumulative update for the April 2018 Update on Patch Tuesday, since this one doesn’t carry any security fixes or the long list of performance fixes that cumulative updates usually bring.

    You can manually download KB4338548 from →here←. And Good luck!
     
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    This is where I stopped as well. Although I was just perusing the CF-19 MK4 Toughbook which is currently running W10 Pro and it seems as though it is now a trifle slower than when I'm running the W7 drive on the same machine. It seems like it was a bit faster with 10 before, but then again advancing age and my memory aren't quite what they used to be either.

    All the tweaks I'm using for both W7 & W10 are still keeping the M/S bots at bay, for now anyway.
     
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    Cumulative Updates for Windows 10 June 12, 2018


    KB4284835 (OS Build 17134.112) comes with the following change log

    • Provides protections from an additional subclass of speculative execution side channel vulnerability known as Speculative Store Bypass (CVE-2018-3639). These protections aren't enabled by default. For Windows client (IT pro) guidance, follow the instructions in KB4073119. For Windows Server guidance, follow the instructions in KB4072698. Use this guidance document to enable mitigations for Speculative Store Bypass (CVE-2018-3639) in addition to the mitigations that have already been released for Spectre Variant 2 (CVE-2017-5715) and Meltdown (CVE-2017-5754).
    • Addresses an issue in which the 2017 and 2018 versions of Intuit QuickBooks can't run in multi-user mode on Windows 10 1803 devices. Users will now be offered Windows 10, version 1803.
    • Adds support for the SameSite cookie web standard to Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer.
    • Addresses an issue with Internet Explorer that prevents it from using an updated version of location services.
    • Addresses an issue that causes certain games to fail to show dialogs when connected to monitors that support interlaced display formats.
    • Addresses an issue with the brightness controls on some laptops after updating to the Windows 10 April 2018 Update.
    • Addresses a reliability issue in which the GameBar may fail to launch.
    • Addresses an issue where firmware updates cause devices to go into BitLocker recovery mode when BitLocker is enabled, but Secure Boot is disabled or not present. This update prevents firmware installation on devices in this state. Administrators can install firmware updates by:
      1. Temporarily suspending BitLocker.
      2. Immediately installing firmware updates before the next OS startup.
      3. Immediately restarting the device so that BitLocker doesn’t remain in the suspended state.
    • Addresses an issue that caused the system to start up to a black screen. This issue occurs because previous updates to the Spring Creators Update were incompatible with specific versions of PC tune-up utilities after installation.
    • Security updates to Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge, Microsoft scripting engine, Windows Desktop Bridge, Windows apps, Windows shell, Windows kernel, Windows Server, Windows storage and filesystems, Windows wireless networking, remote code execution, and Windows virtualization and kernel.
     
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    KB4284835 install fails for many Windows 10 v1803 users guinea pigs-Windowsreport.com :D
     
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    Windows 7 FTW. It just works. Flawlessly, and with no drama. Micro$lop "support" not required. All they do is screw up the stuff they touch. They no longer have the capacity to do anything right. They're too busy focusing on the worthless crap aspects of Windows 10 to give their attention to what actually matters.
     
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    Microsoft Stops Cortana From Giving People Access To Your PC
    [​IMG]

    But why in first place giving people access to your pc? :rolleyes:
     
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    The installation went fine for me. I always use offline updates. On my sis's lappie who became a GP now, since I was fed-up with manual update as she said I was destroying/slowing her PC. Fast forward now, W10 FCU broke her lappie and she says everything works. One odd problem I found was, restarting the pc produces a black screen.

    I just found W10 doesn't clear the values after a restart, say for example bad clocks settings or in my case I connected my PC to TV and after restarting my audio driver was switched to TV even after disconnecting it from the PC. Only a shutdown fixed the issue.
    Summary: Windows needs a Shutdown to clear all register contents and what not!
    On Linux a restart/shutdown is all it takes to clear them.

    So if you're OC'ing on the fly and aren't getting improvements shutdown the PC for 5 secs and do it again to get improved scores.

    When were WE in control of W10?
    I actually got a email from Windows indirectly asking me to switch from WP to Android (Samsung S8/S9 in images) or iphone to collaborate work between PC and Phone.
    Looks like they're desperate now and even I am desperate to switch to Android. I hate you buy a new phone.
     
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    Do we really need this update? :rolleyes: :eek: lol
     
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    Yep we need them until Intel posts the spectre V4 fix microcode to OEM.
    The performance impact is less in this update as opposed to earlier update. I lost only 11 points in CB r15 as opposed to 20 pts difference and slower performance.
     
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    Better to have no updates. Spectre and Meltdown are hypothetical risks created to generate new drama and make the people that fix it look like heroes.
     
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    With or without InSpectre tool to disable the Spectre protection? Or you have both Meltdown and Spectre protection enabled?
     
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    Both protections are enabled until I get my hands on ucode bin file.
     
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    Those risk(s) will become a reality in few years. Or recent hacks/data breach might be the PoC of Spectre/Meltdown used by NSA or Russians.
     
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    As long the protection ain't enabled by default when you install the patch you won't experience slow down. This is the proper way to do it. At least something is done correctly by the Micro$h4ft Morons :D Not very often they do things right.
    There is a reason Micro$h4ft didn't enable it by default . And this not due the performance hit!

    "According to Microsoft and Intel there hasn’t been any reports of this method being used in real-world exploits, as such this “mitigation will be set to off-by-default, providing customers the choice of whether to enable it.”

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    But according to latest version of Inspectre, I checked the protection status and it said Meltdown and spectre protections were present already. Looks like MSFT is turning my PC into experimentation mode even though I disabled that setting.
     
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    I don't know what you do with your systems...
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    I can disable meltdown using inspectre but spectre fix is greyed out (not protected). I have to go into regedit and do it manually if I want to enable it. Dont know whats up with that? I'm on FCU not Redstone.
     
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    For now both protections are enabled and while gaming/benching I turn off Spectre v4 protection for higher score/fps.
    Maybe it could a FP that just sees BIOS microcode version to say Protection are enabled.
     
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    FCU is Redstone 3 and v1803 is also redstone and its called RS4.
     
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