Windows 10

Like Metro and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it's just not the same w/o an angry Ukrainian swearing

 

Holly c... I upgrade three builds within two weeks and now a new build is coming very soon...

 

NP, this is all a waiting game. The other factor is when they say something I just no longer believe them. I have heard too many times from them that they are listening just to be disappointed.

IMHO the reason they are some what listening now is the market has spoken loudly. Since the loss of XP support Windows 8.x has had marginal gains where as Windows 7 has had a nearly 10% gain in market share. Unless they can draw in casual users, and more importantly their techy friends they listen too, Windows 10 could have just a short successful life replacing 8.x and then suffer the fate of those same versions.

 

Good idea... not happy with it either.

I'm not attributing the original source so he can remain anonymous, but this was posted in another forum, by someone "in the know" of things as an "Insider" with the Redmond Mafia.

 

^^^

rofl

But hey, no worries for now, w8.1 will be supported and last at least until 2023. Until then one can relax and watch the show.

 

Thank goodness... by 2023 maybe we will have 4K retinal implants for monitors.

 

Mr. Fox, no wet-ware for me. Who knows what crap gets installed along with the requested upgrade. Microsoft Hotmail Login with Ad-ware embedded in my eye-ball?

Not for me

 

I'm not going to accept an EULA that authorizes them to collect greater volumes of information tied to my Micro$haft account. I am fundamentally opposed to such efforts and I'd rather pay money for a good version of Windoze that is "clean" than get a spyware version for free. Any type of monitoring or data collection is unacceptable. They already take the liberty of doing enough of that without asking for permission. If they want more of my data than what they are already stealing, they can purchase it and pay me by the hour. It's worth at least $10 per hour to have to put up with my "experience" being manipulated by them trying to second guess what kind of ads I should see and what kind of spam to send me based on a web site I visited. I already can't go to any web page without seeing Dell, Alienware, NVIDIA, AMD and NewEgg ads plastered all over them... and I should want to help them do that more effectively and more intrusively because.... why? Because Google gets more action than they do? Mmmm-no. I don't think so.

 

I disagree. I like targeted ads as they're more relevant to me, and have no problem with them mining my data. I really don't care. You should stop caring, it's much less stressful.

 

There is more than one opinion on everything. It's not stressful, but I do care about being monitored or being required to do things their way. Free is never free, and when I don't have control over what they do with my information I think it puts me (and everyone else) at risk. That risk does not need to exist. I don't want to see their garbage targeted ads, but more importantly, they don't need to know or collect any information from anyone with a user name and password to make a few bucks on impulse spenders. Anonymously, not a big deal. Tied to a Micro$haft account, I see it as an invasion of privacy and overstepping boundaries. I will not cooperate with it. It is not in my best interests to cooperate with it. I'd rather pay money for an OS without spyware.

I was just being silly... playing off all the goo-goo-gah-gah stuff going on about 3K and 4K display resolutions on laptop screens that are too small to comfortably accommodate more than 1080p without having to do stupid stuff with display scaling to make text readable.

On another note, here is another nail in the coffin for Win 10. Microsoft to add Windows Update for Business option for Windows 10 users

Man, this really blows chunks. I disable Automatic Updates and manually pick and choose what gets applied. If I lose the ability to do that, the mainstream consumer version of the new OS loses value on that basis as well. Just who do these stupid Nazis think they are, anyway? God? They sure do know how to turn off enthusiasts and power users with their Gestapo tactics. I hope they have an easily obtainable "Pro" version so those that want to can do things the way they want to using Group Policy Editor or registry hacks. Excluding viruses and other malware, there's nothing quite as effective as a good old one-size-fits-all Windows Update to completely hose the performance of a finely tuned computer.

 

So you don't care that other ppl are making money off of you w/o compensating you a penny? Brave new world!

 

What? Just because you're not seeing pennies doesn't mean you're not benefiting. Often in exchange you'll get services or software for free. Here you're being offered windows 10 for free.

 

Nothing is free but some things are free*

 

Mr. Fox, there are of ways of blocking / disabling updates, most likely some twist upon an old favorite will work:

Best way to block Windows Workstations from receiving Microsoft updates
https://serverfault.com/questions/8...workstations-from-receiving-microsoft-updates

If the average Joe can't disable it, that will mean the death of Windows 10. The first time it starts bricking computers and no-one can turn it off without special tools or knowledge and all hell will break loose.

 

"Free" almost always has a hidden agenda associated with it. Opinions and insults are often offered with no strings attached... but, the loss of respect, admiration and dignity that sometimes follows the expression of them can have a high price tag.

Definitely... won't be good if we cannot have our way with it. I have no trouble blocking automatic updates permanently and I hope it stays that way. That's definitely one way of doing it.

 

Let me get this clear ... They are removing the option to manual choose which updates to install so I could either install all their crap or non at all ?

 

If that article is accurate, it certainly seems that way. Of course, it's not RTM yet, so that could change. It's clear they really don't care what customers want. They have an agenda. They seem to have stopped caring about customers when Gates loosened his grip on the reigns and started letting less competent people make decisions and have a turn at playing head honcho. I guess that's what happens when you are a self-serving executive that needs to make their mark and prove their salt. Bill never needed to impress his boss(es) because he was top dog.

 

It's so sad that for me staying with Windows 8.1 is merely because I want to upgrade to a 980m next year. Windows 7 (A 6 years old OS) is more robust than any current & it seems like future offering.

Personal computing is as attractive now as Apple Lisa was in the 80s

 

This unstoppable Windows Update in Win10 is one of the hugest reasons of pain in the ass. After installation it starts updating itself, meanwhile I install video drivers, go to update, list all updates (I see all downloading stuff including video drivers) but can't cancel separate updates. I thought that this is just for Win10 TP, not retail product. I bet they will bring normal update back if nobody uses Win10 after release but will that happen?

Win10 look step from Windows 7'th is like they are making step from universal art design look to universal sheep-preferred look
I guess I will stay with Windows 7 for everything and Windows 10 for some gaims plus HEVC encodings without sharing my personal info.

 

@MahmoudDewy - agree... I was an early adopter of Windows 8, upgraded 6 of 8 machines that I own and after a year of use downgraded most of them back to Windows 7. I'm still running several high performance machines in dual-boot with Windows 7 and 8.1.1 for the tiny hand full of benchmarks that produce higher scores with Windows 8. Otherwise, I rarely select Windows 8 from the boot menu and in almost every measurement Windows 7 is superior. To be clear for the benefit of the talking heads that like to pretend the hate is all about resistance to change, it's not about the UI. I have hacked Windows 8 to the point it actually looks and feels nicer on the desktop than Windows 7 and I have modded 7 to look like my modded 8, LOL. As long as I avoid the tiled Start screen atrocity, it's OK, but when I want the overall best result, Windows 7 spanks it most of the time. Unless they pull a rabbit out of their magic hat, it looks like 10 may be more crippled.

 

I couldn't care less for looks ... The whole UEFI & trying to cut users completely out of the control of their machine is what pisses me the most ... If I want that I would have bought a wallpaper changeable macbook ... If someone managed to make a 980m work on a R1 & if DX-12 games could be played in windows 7 (Which I doubt) I wouldn't have even touched that OS with a 10 feet pole.

Actually right now my 880m is serving me so well that I am thinking about going back to windows 7 and staying there already.

This is how sad & disappointed MS had made me

 

Yeah, that's really super horrible... I agree with you on that 100%. That cancer really sucks. Very discouraging and the Nazi tactics are enough to make an enthusiast want to go postal.

Thankfully, I am able to run my systems in Legacy mode, but Maxwell created issue for some users having to disable Legacy/CSM support. I really do loathe evil DSE and firmware signature filth.

 

I am hopeful that this would be just a fad and it ends and all comes back to normal non-console like PC fun ... or is that just too hopeful ?

 

Sometimes that's all we have to hang onto. Hope springs eternal. If it doesn't happen, I won't be hanging with it, or giving them any of my money for fancy new crippled garbage with a borked operating system. If I were interested in that level of mediocrity I would be overclocking and gaming with an Android phone instead of a PC, for pennies instead of dollars.

 

Guys, I think these concerns started well before Windows 7...

Let's dive in the deep end, and start with the petition site:

"Windows 7 Sins"
http://en.windows7sins.org/#signup-form

And continue on with the:

"Upgrade from Windows"
https://www.fsf.org/windows8

And, on to the FSF light-hearted call for donations:

"Help FSF bury Windows 8"
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/help-the-fsf-bury-windows-8

Microsoft leads the way into massive NSA, FBI privacy invasion
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...y-into-massive-nsa--fbi-privacy-invasion.html

From the same byline, Preston Gralla:

Windows 10 deep-dive review: Finally, a unified operating system
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...eview-finally-a-unified-operating-system.html

Windows 10 seems much less of a new problem, given some perspective.

From the Windows 10 Preview Insider Community:

how to turn off windows 10 key logging?
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_security/how-to-turn-off-windows-10-key-logging/d7da1704-258f-4c08-9f75-50b26e8928f7?tab=question&status=AllReplies,AllReplies&page=1

For me, I don't worry about it, I run Windows 7 through 10 (actually XP and Vista too), and many distro's of Linux among many other OS's.

These issues are not something I am going to let stop me moving forward. To be aware of the issues and to watch and stay current on them you need to be involved in them directly. Embrace the future full on, and don't allow yourself to be herded into dark corners, stay in the light.

 

They have been trying with every iteration to make the PC more device like. Taking away control from the user more and more. This counts as Microsoft, NVidia, Intel, even peripheral manufacturers. It just keeps getting worst for the enthusiast/hobbyist.

 

I’m a firm believer that if you can’t open it, you don’t really own it.

 

I wish this was not true, but sadly... even tragically... it's deadly accurate. It seems like they hate us, but they certainly are not bashful about expecting to be paid a premium for their pathetic garbage.

This is when they own the user. They are treating hardware more and more like software... pay me money to use it.

 

Amen to that... But really the android thing got me crazy laughing cuz I remembered my android "gamer" friends who believe that android gaming beats PC.

 

Two words about how 3-rd party-ish looks and feels new Start Menu in comparison to how well built-in was classic one...
...or more like just one picture. Like if you noticed the culprit

 

They sure translated "Power" into Russian a bit funny.

 

Yeah, that too But look on which side titles are situated and where is the text.

 

Look what "nice" update you get on Windows 7/8 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3022345

 

Thank you ... Whatever that is I got it uninstalled ... you get repped sir

 

"Third time's a charm? Microsoft releases third version of Windows patch KB 3022345"
http://www.infoworld.com/article/29...rd-version-of-usage-tracker-in-two-weeks.html

"A few eagle-eyed patchers took the beast apart and discovered the patch is … wait for it … a usage tracker. (Perhaps another patch paving the way for Windows 10?)"

Found it and hid it.

 

Those filthy sons of female canines.

I have been following Ubuntu for a number of years and I would have already ditched Windows if it could do everything I want it to with ease and no need for emulation software. The lack of native Linux support for all of the software I enjoy using is the only thing holding me back from making the switch, lock, stock and barrel, and launching a massive anti-Micro$oft social media campaign. I would urge gamers and performance enthusiasts to make the switch and post endless examples of why doing so is in their best interests.

With Micro$haft's advocacy for UEFI Class 3 restrictions on firmware and driver signing, and their plans to require Secure Boot, I view them as being the chief drivers of cyber-terrorism against computer enthusiasts and I have nothing but contempt for their approach to the business. It would be with great joy to witness Linux displace Windows and financially devastate the once awesome, but now exceedingly evil, empire. They have attained a level of command and control corruption that is on course to rival the level of evil that Apple has always aspired to.

They could easily regain my trust and put an end to the hate and contempt by doing right things and not acting like the Digital Gestapo. I don't think anyone in charge there knows what it means to "do right things" any more.

 

Not me as they too easily can go back on their word and lead us, albeit kicking and screaming, right too.......

 

And Amazon spyware doesn't bother you?

 

You are welcome.

Just took a look at Linux Mint, looks pretty nice! Will google about how to install it in dual boot.

 

Be carefully they might have to Big Search what that means... lol....

That is the problem there so many Distro of Linux(UNIX) that they can't even compete with MS with a single Voice. Until they stop this Distro here and there they will never get one over on MS.

Called bottom line $$$$$

Your asking too much they might blow from the Bloat....

Easier said then done it's not the games that matter productivity software are more Windows based then you think even freeware/shareware have more for Windows then other O/S's.

 

The easy-to-use support for a wide variety of software and hardware still is an issue, unfortunately. Ubuntu broke proprietary ATI driver support recently, including in downstream distros such as Mint ( link to bug tracker), which is a pretty severe compatibility issue that really doesn't happen with Windows. Installing a driver for a common component from the repo, only to have the OS not boot anymore, isn't something I've seen happen with Windows in eons.

I'm still interested in switching to Linux - Windows 10 doesn't look more appealing than 7 at this point - but bugs like that make me consider just going out and buying Windows 7 and staying with that till 2020. I also agree with the fragmentation being an issue point - variety is great, but figuring out which distro is best when you're currently a Windows user is no small task, and there are far more choices than deciding if you prefer Windows 7, 8, or 10.

Win10 being the last version, and just updates to it, doesn't encourage me. But there have been enough updates to the preview that it's probably time to download another. And if the Long Term Service releases are available to consumers, I could see them as a good option - find one you like, and stick with it.

 

Ubuntu + Steam seems to be a viable pathforward for Linux use while maintaining some game capability. But I agree with the above statement about the fragmented distro's, it means that there is no unified market that can get all the Hw vendor's and Software maker's support.

 

If Photoshop, Lightroom or even Canon DPP had Linux support I could move over. A ripper for DVD and BR to MP4 would be nice as well. BTW, I pay for those things now so there is no issue with paying for them under Linux either.

 

Yeah, all of this cloud integration fad being sneaked in on us through desensitization and the end goal of mandatory UEFI Class 3 compliance is very bad news for consumers. Micro$haft's strategy is moving toward cloud-based systems where you don't actual own or have control of anything, and virtually all of the OEMs are guilty by association as accomplices. They want to be like cellular providers and merely loan you a platform in exchange for a 2-year contract. When you stop paying you lose the ability to use the product. So Windoze and Office eventually become "365" and you pay every year, or as often as they choose. No more privacy or anonymity, and no more being satisfied with what you have for an indefinite period. They'll kick it off as a free "upgrade" because it is easier to deceive the public and spread the disease that way.

This is where the whole Class 3 UEFI bios gives the Redmond Mafia final say as to how long the OS and hardware lives or dies. Once UEFI Class 3 BIOS becomes the defacto standard there is no more CSM/Legacy Boot and therefore no more input or personal discretion as to how long your machine can be used. Secure Boot is Micro$lop's answer to income-preservation Consumer Security... they own you and your machine. They are already prepping users for this by having the Windows 10 Preview STOP BOOTING after OCT 15, 2015. Class 3 UEFI bios does not have any CSM and no settings to opt out... no more ability to "downgrade" to an OS that you prefer to use. UEFI Class 3 BIOS is exclusively 64-bit Windoze 8 or newer, Secure Boot only, forever. No Windows 7, and no Linux distros unless the Linux developer sells their soul to pay ransom tax to the Digital God in Redmond for a "signature" giving them a special right to run their virus-infested distros with "signed" root kits on UEFI Class 3 platforms sold rented to end users.

It's all about "Micro$haft and friends" having enhanced ability to manipulate and control what customers can do with the products they purchase rent. I used to always be an early adopter, if for no other reason than to know and learn enough to provide support to others that need it with newer products and software. Now that the new tech pathway seems to be lined, paved and trimmed on both sides with digital feces, I am very seriously considering taking the exact opposite approach and doing more to educate others and try to scare them away prior to the point of infection. Look at it sort of like preventing STDs through increased awareness and emphasizing the magnitude of consequences one can expect from ignorance and indiscretion, as opposed to post-infection management of consequences. The latter is a much higher calling and a more compassionate public service. Knowledge is power.

Plus, those bright red (blood-colored) Kool-Aid stains on the corners of the mouth don't wipe off as easily as they used to.

Monkey-see, monkey-do... Mr. Jobs and the crApple crew invented this Gestapo approach to the tech business. As usual, Micro$haft is just stealing ideas, messing them up just a little bit and calling it "innovation"... but, this time it happens to be a really bad idea.

 

I ditched one drive when MS decided that I must log into window using my "MS account" to use the one drive desktop app. cough, nty.

In the board picture, I don't really blame MS, it is what the other 90%(probably, a wild guess~~, but seem to hold true consider how good you name it is doing) people want (maybe not actively but most can be care-less) and it is where they make their money.

 

LOL, do you want to hear funny news? Today I reinstalled sister's OS due to viruses which change router's DNS so decided to scan my laptop before resetting router. I was on Windows 10... Scanner found ad deleted Win10's service called SensorDataService.exe from system32 folder^_^. Also it found 6 registry entries. Latest 4 I saw before on Win7, maybe the typical virus.
Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Installer\Features\B696D3C37BD0D6C33A65D38BEC459181
Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Installer\Products\B696D3C37BD0D6C33A65D38BEC459181
Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\Components\464AA55239C100F32AF2D438EDDC0F47
Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\Components\5652BA3D5FB98AE31B337BF0AF939856
Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\Components\86EB95E1AFCBABE3DB9ECCC669B99494
Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\Products\B696D3C37BD0D6C33A65D38BEC459181

Scanner is adwcleaner, suggest everybody.

 

Suggest what, that people read the adwcleaner webpage?

https://toolslib.net/downloads/viewdownload/1-adwcleaner/

No mention of Windows 10. Which makes sense. That file you flagged isn't signed by Microsoft, and it's sitting in system32, so adwcleaner probably doesn't have it on any sort of whitelist.

Not exactly a huge mystery.

 

Suggest to use. The question is why would it be in the database? I doubt that such small utility has heuristic analysis of some sort. Plus the name SensorDataService kinda gives some idea.
And it's not a surprise that program doesn't have Win10 support, we don't even know its release date.

 

I'm not liking what I'm reading at all... And Linux isn't an option because SLI is not supported on mobile, not to mention how much slower OpenGL is than DirectX. I guess I'm going to have to move my gaming to consoles and my computing to Linux because I won't put up with this garbage from Microsoft anymore and I can't stand Apple.

 

Can someone tell me what to do if I still want to use windows 7 & get to use DX12

Thanks Micro$oft for confusing the hell outta me