Windows 10

You have to accept the free upgrade to Windows 10

 

If you can dual boot Windows 7 and Windows 10. There is no confusion so far, as they have been quite clear that DX12 will have no Windows 7 support.

 

If you want a computer that can run any OS except 10, better get one now because there's no doubt that the majority of systems that ship with 10 will be UEFI with forced secure boot. What better way to lock everyone into 10?

 

I am more than happy with my current system as it can run all OS & at some point when I feel like I need the performance level of a 980m I can actually get one

But now with the 980m needing UEFI boot & DX12 functioning only on W10 ... What other choice one has

 

First, UEFI of any version and Secure Boot are not required to run any version of Windows (yet), which is why they need newer and stronger UEFI Class 3 and firmware cancer to manipulate consumers. Until you have a machine that has been incurably cursed with UEFI Class 3 you can still do almost anything you want, unless you end up with one using a early-release malware beta version, like what Dell/Alienware did to their first Haswell machines and the previously wonderful InsydeH20 BIOS. (They showed up early and made UEFI Class 2 lethal by lacing it with a fatality-inducing dose of Secure Flash, for those that don't know.) If you already have awesome legacy hardware, hang onto it. If not, buy it while you can still snag it. Second-hand awesomeness is way better than the new garbage. There is no reason to believe DX12-compatible MXM GPU upgrades won't work BETTER on legacy hardware that hasn't been firmware-crippled by OEMs.

Second, all we have to go on is a ton of hype for DX12. Let's not get hysterical... just wait and see if it turns out to be a big to do about nothing. Even if it is all that, it's not going to change everything overnight. It will likely have bugs upon bugs and take some time to get any traction. We still have new games being released that work with DX9, DX10 and OpenGL for crying out loud. And, what is the lesser of two evils? Drinking the poison Kool-Aid for the sake of DX12 or actually doing the right thing? It's probably extremely stupid on my part to believe enthusiasts could actually accomplish anything by working together because most of us are too selfish and childish to be organized. If enough of us were to actually stand together we could mop the floor with Micro$haft's bank account for being such a heathen Nazi control-freak outfit. These morons only listen where money is involved, so that's where to focus the assault.

And, before we get overly stimulated about DX12 being some kind of holy grail, remember that it wasn't that long ago that some people thought AMD was going to put NVIDIA out of business with Mantle, LOL. Micro$haft needs distractions to keep people from noticing what they are doing behind the scenes, so consider the source of the hype and remember that they only lie when their lips are moving.

Where I am going to hold out hope against the odds is for one or two extraordinarily intelligent and ethical OEMs to dig their heels in and refuse to go with the flow, which will leave us in a good spot and some freedom to do things our own way. We won't have to be shackled by UEFI Class 3 if they refuse to deploy it and have the cajones to tell Micro$haft to stick their Nazi rules where the sun don't shine.

 

I have to admit that gives a new perspective when looking at the DX12 thingie .... hmm ....

 

The prospect of Windows 10 assuming absolute control where Micro$lop Updates are concerned could be really huge issue that isn't getting the bad press it deserves. This will be especially true if the end user's ability to turn off Automatic Updates is completely removed in Windows 10 RTM as some suggest may occur. That is a recipe for disaster, and any idea of OEMs surrendering (if they actually do) their distribution channels over to Micro$haft for drivers, firmware, or anything other than critical OS security patches is going to have potentially grave consequences for all of us. When it comes to drivers and/or firmware, the latest often isn't the greatest. If anyone believes that Micro$haft is competent and capable of making right decisions as the sole arbiter for all Windows users, I have some prime ocean beach property on the east side of Phoenix that they might be interested in.

 

We very easily could see many more reasons to fear Windows 10 and OEM actions for the future. The majority of decisions seem to be taking control away from the consumer and placing them in the direct line of devices. They will be what they are, nothing more or less.

TBH I would be fine with this. That is if they were offering some super new form and/or function that is a must have. Even so I would still want to see legacy machine capability. I would still like to know a Linux machine is just a hop skip and jump away.

On the other hand, I see no new machines for me in the near future. This is plenty fast enough. While only a 675m I am not a gamer and if need be a PS5 or better would be the way I went if I want to game in the future.

 

*Sigh*

http://www.pcgamer.com/candy-crush-saga-will-be-automatically-installed-on-windows-10/

 

To be fair Microsoft has always bundled games with Windows and Candy Crush isn't a large game but if you have to jump through hoops to remove it, it's another nail in the coffin for 10.

 

OMG! You've got to be kidding me... LOL. Now we see the true color of Micro$haft shining through. Their concept of gaming is just ludicrous and underscores how out of touch with gamers and enthusiasts these idiots are. Should we laugh, cry or puke?

After that quote, need we say more? Stand back... things are going to get messy.

 

I don't want that trash anywhere near my computer. And if it's anything like the old "Add or Remove Windows Features", it doesn't actually uninstall it from your PC and free up that space, it just hides it from the user. TBH I'd much rather have the old solitaire and minesweeper back.

Knowing M$, I bet we have to slipstream our W10 install media or modify it in some other way to actually get rid of Candy Crush.

 

But, but, but, it runs on DX12! DX12, octiceps! DX12, for pity's sake!!! Get with the program and tip that Kool-Aid glass.

I wonder how many FPS we will get with Angry Birds, Barbie Fashion Show and Littlest Pet Shop on maxed out settings?

The fact that they are stupid enough to do, and then advertise it, it is evidence of how disconnected they are with us. Purble Place was bad enough. Either they haven't learned anything, or the world has become such a scary place that the joke is on us and it's another nail in our collective coffins. They honestly don't have a clue what we value in an OS, and probably don't care.

*kalliope music fades* Look mommy, here come the clowns. Quick, take a picture with your touchscreen gaming tablet! Hurry mommy!

 

I have been trying since Windows 8.0 to scream this at the top of my lungs. They no longer are interested in us, no if's and's or but's. We are the minority of consumers. They want their current 95% of base users, which Windows 8.x did not capture, and all the Apple, Android and other device users. Hard core gaming, if you want to call it that, will be left to the X-Box.

When they say they are listening we needed to ask to whom are you listening too? To the enthusiast, production user and even hobbyists the Windows PC is a thing of the past. All they can see is the monetary success of the Apple and Play stores and think with their user base along with the user base they can steal away from the other companies they will just be HUGE!

Edit; NVidia and AMD take heed, With hardcore gaming no longer the PC domain well we can all see where that leads. As well Candy Crush or Angry Birds will run at 4k fine with an IGP. Even the fact is not DX12 touted to enhance graphics of lower end cards? Also I am willing to bet the X-Box sees enhancements from the development of DX-12.

 

You know, in the past games were taking big part in studying children, even simple Mario was forcing your rhythm, logic and fast decision making in nervous situations, especially when you face something new like level of flying fishes or clouds throwing small spiked hedgehogs etc. Games where you first face with anger for loosing all "lifes" and necessity of replay all game since beginning.

Next game generation was half psycho half studying where blood and special effects were mixed with necessity of high reaction skills and logic and quick-thinking too. Most PC games continue this path.

But I feel latest mobile game generation is so pathetic and disgusting that I have no words to describe aside from " you don't have to think AT ALL to play 90% of modern mobile games" and what is even worth, Microsoft is bringing this to a Desktop OS. Bravo!

I knew you want us be stupid as sheep but never thought you will show this so clearly. Or you think it's time when you can open your cards, MS?

 

Yeah, you nailed it. Brainless neurological babysitting. Just a bunch of garbage app crap for the feeble-minded masses. This is the world of Android and iOS mobile gaming in a nutshell. Micro$haft wants us all to fit into that box, and the lazy bums want to make one OS for all platforms. It lowers the bar for them, demonstrates a lack of understanding and disrespect for the intelligence of customers, exemplifies their lack of drive and ingenuity, and it basically lets them off the hook for doing anything meaningful, while still turning a profit on stupid. When the bar is so low, it's hard for anyone to have expectations. Customers expect it to be worthless crap or fall into the "too stupid to know any better" or the "just don't care" buckets, so they get away with it, with no need for apology.

 

Angry birds did a great job of baby sitting me for quite a while......

 

Ok, have tested w10 (as non-touch user).

Classic Shell + got rid of everything in 'WindowsApps' (safe mode > take ownership > delete).

Now it's great :O)



Edit: have done this long time ago on my 8.1 laptops, all is well, but proceed at your own risk and peril, and 1st make a disk image ;O)

 

It isn't as simple as it looks like. As well as snake was or flappy bird. And now compare one of these to smth like fruit ninja game or one of those racing games where you can collect coins but may miss all of them and don't loose. Any game would be way better if you would have to try a little and think a little bit.i
I get Android games be on Android but if you want to port them to PC then make it like for PC! Plants vs Zombies is an example of silly cartoonish interface but still a PC-like.

 

Wish somegroup of hackers should cut that DX12 from the OS and port it over Win7, that would reincarnate the Win7 OS post Win10 Era

 

GeForce Windows 10 Driver 352.84
This driver, version 352.84, is the first WHQL-certified and latest recommended driver for all pre-release Windows 10 testing.

X64:
http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/84891

x32:
http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/84890

Supported Products:
GeForce 900M Series (Notebooks)
GeForce GTX 980M, GeForce GTX 970M, GeForce GTX 965M, GeForce GTX 960M, GeForce GTX 950M, GeForce 930M, GeForce 940M, GeForce 920M
GeForce 800M Series (Notebooks)
GeForce GTX 880M, GeForce GTX 870M, GeForce GTX 860M, GeForce GTX 850M, GeForce 840M, GeForce 830M, GeForce 820M, GeForce 810M
GeForce 700M Series (Notebooks)
GeForce GTX 780M, GeForce GTX 770M, GeForce GTX 765M, GeForce GTX 760M, GeForce GT 755M, GeForce GT 750M, GeForce GT 745M, GeForce GT 740M, GeForce GT 735M, GeForce GT 730M, GeForce GT 720M
GeForce 600M Series (Notebooks)
GeForce GTX 680MX, GeForce GTX 680M, GeForce GTX 675MX, GeForce GTX 675M, GeForce GTX 670MX, GeForce GTX 670M, GeForce GTX 660M, GeForce GT 650M, GeForce GT 645M, GeForce GT 640M, GeForce GT 640M LE



NVIDIA Windows 10 Driver 352.84 modded inf for 400 unsupported NVIDIA graphics cards

x64;
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/31484-v35284-windows-10-64bit-nvidia-mobile-oem/

x32:
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/31483-v35284-windows-10-32bit-nvidia-mobile-oem/

For this to work driver signing needs to be disabled.
Go to settings>Updates and Security>Recovery>Advanced>Restart>Trobleshooting

After restart choose #7

Run setup exe as admin then Install Anyway at warning screen

I've installed this on build 10074 in my MSI GT780DX with GTX570M



Here's something you guys might like?

Easy Recovery Essentials Windows 10 Recovery Disc Professional Edition

All the other versions are not free but they are giving away windows 10 version free

Scroll down to the bottom of the linked page and choose Windows 10

https://neosmart.net/EasyRE/

EDIT:someone in there position of authority decided to join 3 of my posts in to one big mess....YIKES!!!
Best to leave things alone unless it's an improvement.Look where the attachment is now....YIKES!!!!

 

It looks like another pre-Windows 10 intrusive patch => KB3035583

Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

It just came up on Windows 8.1 as an Important Patch, apparently will show up on Windows 7 as Optional... Uninstalled old version - snuck in via earlier incarnation, made new version hidden.

Microsoft re-re-re-issues controversial Windows 10 patch KB 3035583
http://www.infoworld.com/article/29...-windows-10-advertising-patch-kb-3035583.html

If I decide to upgrade a particular machine to Windows 10, and I need to re-enable this patch and apply it to upgrade, then I will do it, for now I can do without the notices.

 

As it stands Windows 10 stands the same chance as a rats rear end of making it on my PC.

 

I've just noticed it - but it shows as Important as well - on my system running W7 Pro 64.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

People run windows updates?

Spoiler

 

A quick question for you folks that are on Windows 10 already or know about it: I am planning on upgrading to Windows 10 for the laptop in my sig when it becomes officially released, do you know if display calibration tools like the Spyder4Pro (that I have) will be compatible with Windows 10? I googled it and couldn't find anything on the subject. Spyder4Pro is currently compatible with Windows 8 & Windows 7, do you folks know if Windows 10 would likely be backwards compatible with it if new drivers aren't released for Spyder4Pro?

Also, any Throttlestop users out there on Windows 10, is Throttlestop & it's functionality compatible with Windows 10?

 

Answer for your first question is simple: We can't guess. If you want to be sure than either check/search/ask official sources of Spyder Calibrators or better check it yourself/ask someone to test software and hardware on Win10 Preview build. In the last case you can send feedback Bugreport ticket to MS and maybe they will fix it or contact Spyder Developers.

As about ThrottleStop. Version 600 doesn't work but there is 800 which I haven't tested yet on Win10. If I do, I will tell here.

DirectX 12
Funny question. If Dx12 API test gives about the same huge numbers as Mantle API test then why would we expect huge performance boost if AMD users don't have such one?

Spoiler

 

Thanks for the reply. Do you know if once Win 10 officially launches I'll be able to downgrade back to Windows 7 after upgrading to Windows 10? I'd hate to test it out & then find out my product key is no longer valid for Windows 7? Will be interested to hear how you get on with the latest version of Throttlestop when you test it.

 

I don't see why it won't, it still uses a lot of 8.1 driver. My color munki display works fine.

Sent from my 306SH

 

Ah, excellent, it modifies the icc file in Windows, so I was hoping the overall 'architecture' of Windows 10 was similar enough that if it works in Windows 8 will mean it most likely will in Windows 10. I will try the upgrade to Windows 10 (from my Windows 7) when it launches officially, but I will check before upgrading that I can downgrade back to Windows 7 again & still use the same Product Key, anyone know if that's gonna be possible?

 

IIRC that Win8 retail key wont work IF making a clean Win8.1 install, So that key might not work post upgrade to win10 & then rollback to win7..

 

(Just to clarify I'm on Windows 7, not sure if you thought I was on 8. Concerned that upgrading from Win7 to Win 10 I won't be able to go back to Win 7 again using same key if it turns out Win 10 doesn't work well for me).

 

Yes I know that you are on Win7.
I read that somewhere, a guess tho...Someone with a better experience might give a perfect answer..

EDIT : http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/15/windows-10-home-and-pro-automatic-updates-could-become-mandatory/

 

It would involve a full wipe-and-reload but you can do it. Upgrading won't break your Win7 key.

 

Thanks for the 2 replies. Good to hear that it's likely gonna be possible for me to revert to Win 7 if I don't like Win 10, I'll check the small print before upgrading anyway, but good to know in advance now that it'll be possible, thanks.

 

Further thoughts on Windows 10: is it possible like in Windows 8.1 to "Disable driver signature enforcement" to allow things like modified NVidia Drivers to install? I'd be needing to do that for my 670MX GPU. I googled to find the answer, and I found some information saying the procedure is the same as with Windows 8.1, but then I saw other users saying that was only a temporary fix until the next shutdown & upon each reboot the drivers wouldn't load.

(On the Spyder4Pro compatibility topic, I emailed Datacolor and they replied saying they can't confirm compatibility as Windows 10 is only in beta at the moment - I replied to them asking them to confirm if they would release new drivers for Windows 10 if it turned out that Spyder4Pro wasn't compatible. I do expect it to be compatible anyway based on what another user said in this thread about the sucess with their Color Munki device).

 

WTH, This Win10 is like doom to the enthusiasts....too bad

 

Well, that bit you but in bold typeface in my post: I can't verify the validity of strength of the post I read where I got that from, and I've not researched extensively yet as to whether you can permanently disable driver signing in Windows 10; that's why I thought I'd ask the Windows 10 adopters in this thread if they knew if it was possible to permanently disable driver signing in Windows 10 (so that you can use a non-standard GPU and modified NVidia drivers for instance)? Anyone know?

 

ThrottleStop seems to work but I found strange behavior.
If I turn HEVC encode and SVP video interpolation at once:
Windows 7: All seems fine, TDP at 40+W
Windows 10: TDP goes above 55W and soon I get throttling from 3.8GHz to 3.2GHz and I couldn't make it stop! Although my CPU is not fully supported because it's ES so it may have nothing to Throttlestop while question about strange power requirements still remains. If I use just video encode it keeps at 40+W.

Win10, WTH??!

EDIT: Found the problem. It was iGPU which took additional 7-10W.

 

Cheers for testing the Throttlestop that you mentioned a couple of days ago, not working properly for you then. I'm hoping the Throttlestop & XTU 'trick' that I do to enable unlimited turbo time up to 56W won't be affected by using Windows 10 ( Section 1 of Post #1 at the following thread is the 'trick' I'm using):
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-the-m17x-r3-with-without-modded-bios.617662/

 

Window 10 insider Preview build 10122 for Fast Ring rolling out now.

This build has issues with AMD so it's not recommended for AMD platform PCs.

It will also have IE bug for some but not all.

What's new in the Windows 10 Insider Preview build 10122
Start

• The "Expand start" button has been removed
• Support for jumplists
• "Places" has been removed
• File Explorer and Settings are now shown above Power options
• Start will now give a suggestion for new apps
• Tablet improvements
  • The apps list is no longer displayed onscreen by default
  • Tiles are displayed larger
  • There is now a global back button
• Tiles can now follow the user's accent color

Interface

• Apps will now display the back-button int the titlebar when required, tablets will show this button in the taskbar
• Switch-buttons and sliders have received a new design
• The window border chrome has been updated

Features

• Backup & restore has been readded from Windows 7
• "Play to" has been renamed "Cast to Device"
• In China, users can now choose between Cortana and Huna
• Cortana now has a Feedback button

Edge

• Project Spartan has been renamed Edge and has a new icon
• There is a new Internet Explorer-like New tabs page
• There is a new MSN.com-like New tabs page
• Edge can now save passwords and forms
• Edge now supports InPrivate browsing
• Improvements to the Edge render engine

ESDs are available in some languages now and all by the end of the Redmond business day.

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http://uptobox.com/rtlpi7c0ol2i/101..._43d17e4219facf6680a5b00e7e8b11969f23089e.esd

 

I have not been following the thread, sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2924...mprovements-and-an-aversion-to-radeon-gp.html

John.

 

They should also move All Applications button above Power while they're at it. When I used 10 I would almost always click on Power instead of All Applications.

 

Please High Five those who intuitively feels that All Apps button should be upwards the Power button, closer to Apps themselves, no? Even Cap is all for this.
And it will be easier to Shut down computer if Power button is located at the end.

Speaking about those new 2 buttons, I hope there will be an option "Move to MS designer's @ss out of my Start Menu" because I don't get the force dumping/trashing everything and duplicating into Start Panel.

You ninjad me On 6 minutes! It took longer to write this post than I expected.

 

Windows 10 build 10074 receives security Update KB3061161. Even with this update, 10074 it crashes more often than the previous builds.

And, how about fixes?

Start menu and Cortana does not open on Windows 10 Insider Preview after upgrading from earlier Windows 10 Technical Previews

Windows Error Reporting data remain in queue and are not uploaded

Updated versions of preinstalled apps might not install with error 0x8004264A after upgrading to Windows 10 Insider Preview

Qualcomm Atheros Bluetooth radio controllers might not function and indicate a Code 43 error in Device Manager

Automatic updates might not initiate on mobile devices if an app on the device is not in the Store catalog

Apps that are deployed to an SD card on mobile devices might not install or open

Fixes a hang that can occur when updating battery status

Adds Dolby Digital Plus codec​

Each build seems to have more classic fully-functional Windows components replaced by Metro clones with reduced functionality and more technical issues than the previous.

Are you excited yet?

So, does this mean that now they want to play "App Police" like crApple? Does that mean we will need to jailbreak Windows to have it work the way we want it to?

Are you more even excited now?

 

I am excited that I get to keep Windows 7 for a bit longer. Also that they continue to bury themselves deeper and deeper so that the worst it is the more radical of a change will be needed to get Windows back to public acceptability. So guys if you are going to trash windows, trash it real good!

 

If you are prepared, the degradation migration process should not be nearly as painful.
And, the final product will be waterproof up to 10 meters.

 

Edge can now use history ~ suprise

 

And save passwords.
Everyone expected it become new Google Chrome but for now mobile google browser is preferable over it. Remember everyone's excitement about "IE surpasser"?

 

Mr. Fox I'm wondering if you've tried Windows 10 on one of your Alienwares with non-standard GPU? I asked earlier in this thread about whether it is possible to Disable Driver Signing (like you can in Windows 8.1), because if I upgrade to Windows 10, then this is what I'd need to do for my 670MX. I've googled around on the topic, but found conflicting information on this topic for Windows 10.