Windows 10

Hopefully this stutter you talk of will be ironed out soon and is not an omen of Windows 10 character! Your synthetic benchmark results looked good though in comparison to Windows 8, so to me it seems Windows 10 will offer the same or better performance than Windows 7 - and of course there's DirectX 12 on top of that which is a bonus, and a necessity eventually.

 

It is definitely the fault of Nvidia at this point. If I use 347.88 or 350.12 Windows 8.1 drivers on W10, the SLI stutter is completely gone. The problem is that those drivers don't have SLI for TW3 and for some reason, 353 and 353.06 that do have SLI for TW3 give a Code 43 in device manager in W10.

Checking nvidia forums, everyone is reporting the same stutter across a variety of cards from Kepler and Maxwell, mobile and desktop, for both W10 driver releases thus far.

 

Has anyone received a Win 10 invite yet? Windows Update KB3035583 enables it, but I haven't received an invite yet even though I have this particular update.

I've already received the invite on my desktop, I am wondering if it's a system issue or a particular version of Windows issue. (Win 7 Pro desktop, for the 32GB of RAM, and Win 7 Home for DTR).

 

Did you update dot net fx?

 

Does one receive the invite without updating? I hate windows updates.

Update: must have updates switched on to get the invite.
Hmm..

 

I still don't understand why do I have to upgrade & not just clean install and the system detects the license from the UEFI tables

 

We still don't know that is exactly how it will work.

 

I got my invite and I don't have updates on. I have it to check for updates but let me choose which ones to install.

 

Quoting the article

" Can I do a clean install using the Free upgrade?

No, it will require that you are running a previous qualifying version and start the upgrade from within the qualifying version."

Even if you have an ISO you will have to upgrade to make use of the free offer

" I have multiple computers, do have to download Windows 10 on each computer?

You can download a .ISO file and upgrade each computer offline. The ISO should be available by the time Windows 10 launches."

 

Just upgrade then fresh install and be done with it. I can't see it taking any longer than about 15 minutes to do the upgrade, so that's all the 'wasted' time you'll have to endure before doing a clean install. I'm sure a lot of people have spent more than 15 minutes on here complaining about that 15 minutes.

 

There has always been a workaround for getting around the "upgrade" requirement, generally all you need is your original full install disc from the last version to do a clean install. Why flip out about it now? And seriously, what's wrong with doing it how I suggested earlier and doing the upgrade then doing a clean install? Seems like quite a nitpick. If you don't want to have to deal with the upgrade requirement, you're more than welcome to purchase the retail version.

Here's the official word - once you upgrade, you can clean install on that system any time.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-10-upgrade-reinstall/

 

Have you ever done Win10 upgrade? It takes longer than clean install.

 

I got an invite yesterday, I have my updates set to auto, I have a little white windows logo on my taskbar now.

I have the retail version of Win8.1

John.

 

This is nothing new, it has always taken forever to perform an upgrade but if people can't spare the time to do the upgrade they can always opt to purchase the full retail version.

 

I came across an article yesterday (CNET?)and a quote from a Microsoft official that they will allow you to do a clean install on the same machine supposedly once you upgrade to Windows 10. I'm trying to find it.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9334/...-can-clean-install-windows-10-after-upgrading

"This is one question that a lot of people have been asking, and Gabe Aul, the head of the Windows Insider program, finally answered it on Twitter today. Credit goes to Brad Sams at Neowin for catching this since it was a reply to another tweet.


Gabe states:


Once you upgrade W10 w/ the free upgrade offer you will able to clean reinstall Windows 10 on same device any time"

 

But why? Can't they just check if legal Win7/8 is already running and offer a clean install if yes?

 

I got the invite, I also reserved my upgrade.
I read that after you upgrade you can clean install windows 10 if you need to, whenever you want.
that's the only reason i was not going to update, now that that's clear ill give it a shot.

 

If you get a license # with the upgrade, you should be able to clean install the upgrade like you could before. However, I'm not 100% certain it will be the case for Win 10.

 

I have Windows Updates disabled and based on my experience with the beta/preview I am not convinced there is any reason for me to actually want it at this point. Seems like just another screwed up mess from Micro$haft so far. I'm waiting for a compelling reason to surface, but haven't seen one yet.

 

Has anyone seen the W10 notification popup flag yet? I have KB3035553 installed and all of my Win 8.1 systems hasn't gotten the popup message yet.

I also came across another piece of info today. If you have Windows 8.1 Pro installed you should get Windows 10 Pro (defer updates) instead of the Home version. (automatic and mandatory updates)

 

I mainly just want to secure myself a copy. I'd like to see if DX12 is worth all the fuss, but I don't expect to see any games worth getting giddy about yet.
Did you hear that home users will be forced to leave windows updates on! Lol.. Gotta love that eh.

 

What is the driver compatibility like with Win8.1, are we going to have problems.

John.

 

Yes, and that is one of the reasons I am not convinced it is worth the trouble. I'm also not convinced DX12 is going live up to the hype and hoopla. Micro$haft needs to generate some interest and DX12 might be the decoy they need to get the massive blind leap of faith necessary to make Windows 10 successful, and give them more control over us and our machines.

We have a Windows 10 thread already. I am going to merge it with that one. If we need one specific to Alienware upgrade issues, we can always start one if problems surface that are unique to the brand.

 

If that statement ends up holding true once the RTM is released, the next stop - after the support for W7 ends - for every single computer in this household will be a *nix of some kind, most likely one of the Red Hat clones...

 

I have to admit MS was smart about making DX12 W10 exclusive ... Cuz if they haven't done that, this was going to go much worse than W8

And if they didn't push DX12 to games or if DX didn't deliver what was promoted people will revert back to W7

 

Luckily, I have 8.1 Pro, so if/when I make the upgrade, I won't have to deal with that BS.

Anyone taking bets on how long until they release an update that breaks things? If people are forced to install what turns out to be a broken update, I can just imagine the uproar, lol.

 

No, thanks for the reply and help, I'm googling this right now. I don't remember doing this for my desktop though.

Yeah I am tired of Micro$haft as well but I have a feeling DX12.1 is going to be a big deal actually.

No notification here either on my DTR and I also have the update. Yes this is GREAT news for my desktop as I was forced to upgrade to Win 7 Pro to use all 32GB of RAM and well now I suppose I will get a free upgrade to Win 10 pro and the option to defer updates, at least on my desktop!

As I said above, I think DX12/DX12.1 is going to be a really big deal. The industry has been gearing up with this, i.e. Intel releasing octo-core CPU's etc.

 

My money is on being broken on day #1 for some folks and several more times within the first month or two for a larger group.

I'm open to this and have been for a good while. I would like nothing better that this. I stopped being a Micro$lop fan when they released Windoze 8. Of course, that is predicated on me not having to settle for an OS that is only partially functional (as in running all of my current Windows software and games without a hitch) and being a hassle to deal with. That has been the only thing holding me back to date. I tried this a while back and could never get SLI or GPU software overclocking to work correctly, so there is also that part that would be a deal-breaker.

Smart, savvy business decision... also add to that list, sly, evil, underhanded... if DX12 isn't the "to die for" API that the hype is leading some to believe it will be, then we can add bait and switch, deceptive, manipulative and self-serving to the list. DX12 success will be further dependent on game developers using it and not botching things up worse than they already have with lame console ports and shoddy coding.

Edit: relating to gaming... is it just me, or is Steam just busting at the seams now with a plethora of hokey garbage indie games? My Steam queue is constantly filled with trash that I mark "not interested" and still see similar garbage piling in every day. It is becoming a huge chore to sift through all the garbage to find anything new that I am remotely interested in.

 

Would do just that as well - use my W7Pro to secure a copy and keep the W7U, just in case. In the end might dual boot - W10 for games, W7U for everything else

It's nice that I don't have to worry about it. Wonder why though, what's the deal with those updates?

 

My thoughts on DX-12 is it may be a boon for IGPs and lower to mid range graphics the benefits to higher end will be limited.

 

Just the opposite. High-end GPUs are more likely to be bottlenecked by the CPU, so will see greater performance improvement from reduced CPU overhead. Slow GPUs are already working at capacity so will see less improvement from DX12.

 

That's exactly how it is supposed to work. Its specifically for CPU bottleneck situations although it more than likely still increases performance on the low end as well due to performance optimizations.

 

Do we know what the differences between the Windows 10 versions are? A quick google didn't really throw up to much of a comparison bar the odd articles relating to the opt-in Windows updates.

 

This Forbes article gives a better idea of what the different versions offer.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/14/7-versions-of-windows-10-which-is-best-for-you/

 

Even if true, a say 980m will still only put out the same FPS as before but maybe now on a lowered bin CPU. If this is the case there is no real graphics performance edge but a CPU dependent edge. The other side of the coin is where it is already CPU limited and running 180 FPS now running 200 FPS is not benefitting the gamer. Now if where it was running 20FPS now gets 30FPS, that is something everyone will want to jump on. Agreed in any situation the bench markers out there will have a field day.

DX12, even as you are saying it is, will benefit low end CPU's with IGP's. Candy Crush and future games will play great on those next gen machines.

 

It'll benefit a game like GTA V, which maxes out quad-cores and drops below 60 FPS on high-end GPUs. Or make it easier to achieve 120 FPS in something like BF4 (for ppl with capable monitors) w/o needing a 5 GHz CPU.

 

Windows 10 Pro -> lets you control updates -> best choice for *anyone* with a shred of common sense


At least until MS realizes (read: has it blow up in their face) forced updates are a monumentally stupid idea and removes them from Windows 10 Home.

 

I think I might install my extra copy of Win 8.1 Pro on my T100 just to get an upgrade to Win 10 Pro.

 

Keep in mind the 10 license is for the machine you activate it on.

 

Yeah I was thinking of doing the same as I can dual-boot with my mobo, RIVBE.

 

Yeah, at best you can upgrade multiple PCs within a year from a single retail Windows 7 but only latest upgraded machine will be valid. At worst you can do just one upgrade and all other's won't pass.

 

Its only an upgrade the first time. Clean install on the same machine after that. Which is why I signed up on both my laptop and my desktop.

 

I was very sleepy. I editd now what I wanted to say. Sorry.

 

So you mean installing the copy of W7 on multiple machines and trying to get W10 from the same retail license? I don't think that would work because you would have trouble getting them activated and only activated machines get the upgrade.

 

So reading the various websites etc, unless there's an actual direct comparison, there appears to be very little difference between Home & Pro?

 

So how is Microsoft handling reactivation or moving the Windows 10 license to another machine? Is this freebie being handled similarly to an OEM version of Windows 7/8 whereby the activation is tied to that specific piece of hardware you first activated on and will NOT receive a subsequent license transfer?

Edit: I forgot to ask, in order to get the Windows 10 upgrade notification. Do you have to be signed into your Microsoft account? My ThinkPad T60 just got the W10 notification and that was signed into a Microsoft account. I have other PC's that are running Windows 8.1 Pro but I don't use a Microsoft account for those.

 

The offer says for that machine so I would assume it would work like an OEM key but knowing Microsoft if you give a quick phone call, you'll be able to activate it on a new PC anyway.

I wasn't signed into my Microsoft account on either computer and it came up.

 

I turned on windows update (which i hate having on!!!) because i was told thats the only way to get the icon to come up to download windows 10 ahead of time so its ready to go . Anyone else having this problem?

 

You don't have to have automatic updates on, set it to download and ask you to install. But yes, if updates are off you won't get the KB that offers the upgrade.

 

I have four machines running 8.1 Pro. The two that received the W10 reservation message all had all of the important and recommended updates installed. The two that haven't received the W10 notification only have the Security updates and KB3035583 installed. So now i'm in the process of updating those two machines to see if I get the Windows 10 icon message in my taskbar. I have my update settings set to notify me instead of automatically installing updates. I don't think auto updates matters much but installing all important and recommended updates could make a difference.