Windows 10

Valve may change that though if and when SteamBox and SteamOS gains momentum. Lots of newer game titles are also developing for SteamOS, which is really Linux. So keep your bet set on Lord GabeN as he may be our savior.

 

Yes, because Valve isn't as bad as Microsoft.
/s

I'm not sure I want to trust a company with OS development which can't even count to three.

 

With Windows 10 lock down, Intel BGA, Nvidia overclocking the enthusiast market has taken several steps back already. This is going to get even worst not better down the line. If you do not want your PC as just a device you must take actions against it becoming one. In the free market your wallet and time are your best weapons.

 

@TANWare , Linux Mint should fit MS user. Downloaded but not yet installed.

 

Just DL'd the Cinnamon and KDE versions last night.

 

Yes, I've been watching with great interest for while now... I've lost track of when, but back when they first started supporting Linux gaming. I even created a separate Steam account for Linux a couple of years ago. (I'm OCD and don't want the games I buy for Linux in the same account, LOL.) Progress is extremely slow, or at least it sure feels like it. Don't know that it will change anything with broken SLI and overclocking controls, so there is still that hurdle to deal with.

Having all the eggs in one basket is a stupid thing to do, but we're all in it together. Micro$lop have us by the short hairs and they know it.

It's my favorite distro. I used to dual boot it on my Alienware.

 

SteamOS is just Linux with a UI skin, so they really didn't develop anything!

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Well, they had to make that skin.

 

I would love to adapt SteamOS but surround sound support is seriously an odd thing to be missing for something just Linux with a UI skin.

 

Meh... SteamOS UI is much like "Big Picture" mode on the Windows client. If you are 20 feet away from a TV, using a gamepad, and pretending you're gaming on a console it's much easier to use. At least you can read the text from so far away. Sitting in front of a laptop or a monitor, kind of stupid. Reminds me too much of the nasty Windows 8+ Metro/Modern/Start/whatever-they-call-it-next crapola. Give me a desktop, Linux or Windows, and I'm a nicer person. Otherwise, bring me a bucket 'cause I'm gonna hurl.

 

Another factor for laptop users is Win 7 is the ONLY OS that can use Intel Trim for Raid 0 ssd's; which means you do not constantly eat your ssd's up.

Intel will have to pick a successor the Win 7 within the next 5 years, so they usually doesn't bet on losers. And well, there really is (/are) no alternative(s) to Intel, anyway.

Monopolies have a tendency to screw the public, whether they like it or not. Unless proved wrong soon, Win 10 looks like Msft's forced vengeance to the public that has refused garbage OS's from the Giant: if there were good news, it would have leaked by now. Maybe we can get the European courts to spank Msft AGAIN to MAKE them keep Win 7 for public domain. That would make Bill's spine twist and wither significantly.

 

I honestly don't want any harm to come to Micro$haft. They used to be a decent outfit, and I'd really like to see them straighten up and fly right. After all, they did give us Windows 7, so we know they are actually capable of doing something right if they want to badly enough. I want them to stop being stupid and stop trying to ram garbage down our throats because they think they know what we need. If wanted somebody else to do all of my thinking for me and just accept whatever they feel is best for me I could have switched from PC to Mac a long time ago. The problem is, they have too many imbeciles working there that actually believe they do know what is best for us, don't care what we want, and like to tell lies such as pretending to listen and apply customer feedback.

 

ROFLMAO, read this dawg:

How on earth is this OS supposed to be finished in 5 weeks?

 

What would Jonathan Goldsmith say?

 

In the eyes of Micro$haft:

Windows 10 Technical Preview = Beta (now)
Windows 10 Final = Final ready for public release with no bugs

In reality.....

Windows 10 Technical Preview = Pre-Alpha stage
Windows 10 Final (AKA RTM) = Beta 1
Windows 10 updates = experimental updates letting the poor millions of users that have signed up for the update to do the testing for us while we enjoy crippling or bricking their systems and installing random drivers to reduce their device's functionality and special OEM features......why? Just because we can and because WE will choice your Windows updates and drivers and what you can do or cannot do with your own system! MUWHAHAH

Oh and how are we going to pull this off @Mr. Fox , will give you a small false promise of increased performance due to better hardware support just like we did in Windows 8 and were able to trick you, but now we have another bait up our sleeves, it is called DX12 and we won't give it to you if you don't follow our lead and stick to the awesome Widnows 7, you have to upgrade to enjoy the latest and greatest!

 

Well, let's see if DX12 really turns out to be "all that" or just more marketing smoke and mirrors per the status quo. If DX12 turns out to be as effective as all the hype it has generated among those easily hyped, it should be the best thing since sliced bread. We can believe all the hype, or just wait a little bit and measure the results. Until we can start measuring, it should be treated as a Trojan Horse and held at arm's length. Either outcome is good... we are amazed and blown away by how awesome it is, then jump on the bandwagon, or we get to bask in the satisfaction of knowing our skepticism was appropriate. If we expect it to suck, we won't be disappointed if it does not. If we believe it is something to be excited about and it turns out to be a dud, then it's a major let-down.

 

My understanding of DX12 is that it's just gonna allow for increased complexity on screen with lower CPU resource. I would imagine this becomes increasingly important as GPU power increases substantially through the generations while CPU power does not increase as fast.

 

Or, in the case of what we are seeing now, CPU performance decreasing substantially. I really don't like the concept of doing more with less. That doesn't work well in the business world, and I don't think it's ideal in the computing world. Whatever happened to the idea of doing a ton more with more?
I like that approach a lot better... more, more, more power.

 

Haha, I thought you might like that approach!

 

MRW when M$ gives away W10 for free to all Preview users, not just ppl running W7 and W8.1:

Spoiler

 

LOL! They want to have as much users beta testing as they can for the first year, Good strategy to get free beta testers and destroy people's machines

 

Exactly. What I find funny though, is that "our lord and savior" GabeN was crying wolf about how bad Windows 8 was just to release SteamOS, which... isn't exactly that different UI wise (both useless on a proper PC), like you've already said.
If I will have to go Linux one day, it's gonna be Debian + MATE. None of that Unity/Gnome 3 crap for me!

Great! Now what will I do with my other Windows licenses?

Spoiler

Hey kids, psst, you wanna buy some Windows keys?

 

New lamps for old

 

Here is a trap:
You’ll need to connect the MSA that you registered for the Windows Insider Program with (and accepted the “Microsoft Windows Insider Program Agreement”) in order to continue receiving new Windows 10 Insider Preview builds (both Fast and Slow rings) from Windows Update.
This change is for the Windows Insider Program ONLY, and is specific to how we’re delivering the Insider Preview builds. Once available on July 29th, you do not need an MSA to upgrade Windows 10 on your Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 PCs if they are not receiving Insider Preview builds. You will not be required to use an MSA on new PCs that come with Windows 10 preinstalled or clean installed from media. Some features in Windows 10 do require an MSA to use, such as downloading apps in the Windows Store.

In other words: you want totally free Win10? Get MS Account.
Pay attention! MS didn't tell for how LONG your Win10 wll be activated if you upgraded from Technical Preview build. It may be "till the end life of your hardware" OR "till July 2016".

Holy cr@p! Now read new Ms Confidential Policy!
This is number one to clear but looks like you will have to do it often. https://www.bing.com/account/personalization

 

looks like i spoke too soon. i got 2 black screens from cold booting.

 

Hey Micro$oft!
​

 

Did they just change their mind about the free upgrade for Insider Preview users?
http://microsoft-news.com/windows-10-may-not-be-free-for-insiders-after-all/

LE: That link is gone now, lol. It was working a couple hours ago. Basicly they were saying that you would still need a valid win7/8 license , even if you were an inside preview user.

So at first they said:

Windows Insiders running the Windows 10 Insider Preview (Home and Pro editions) with their registered MSA connected to their PC will receive the final release build of Windows 10 starting on July 29th. This will come as just another flight. I’ve gotten a lot of questions from Windows Insiders about how this will work if they clean installed from ISO. As long as you are running an Insider Preview build and connected with the MSA you used to register, you will receive the Windows 10 final release build and remain activated. Once you have successfully installed this build and activated, you will also be able to clean install on that PC from final media if you want to start over fresh.

And now, the psot has been silently modified to:

Windows Insiders running the Windows 10 Insider Preview (Home and Pro editions) with their registered MSA connected to their PC will receive the final release build of Windows 10 starting on July 29th. This will come as just another flight. I’ve gotten a lot of questions from Windows Insiders about how this will work if they clean installed from ISO. As long as you are running an Insider Preview build and connected with the MSA you used to register, you will receive the Windows 10 final release build. Once you have successfully installed this build, you will also be able to clean install on that PC from final media if you want to start over fresh. It’s important to note that only people running Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1can upgrade to Windows 10 as part of the free upgrade offer.*

Taken from: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...changes-to-windows-10-insider-preview-builds/

 

Ah well, that sucks if it is only free as an in-place upgrade. Hopefully, that doesn't mean you cannot do a clean install from ISO for free. If it does, I suspect power user and enthusiast adoption will be less than they are hoping. This is just another indicator that these dumb-dumbs are totally out of touch with some of their customers. They're only in sync with those who are happy to follow and be told what to do.

 

And here is the misery of automatic driver updates that you cannot control! Micro$h4ft goes..... All your PCs are belong to us. you sit back and relax while we choose the drivers for you! MUWHAHAHAH

How to disable automatic AMD update?

 

Maybe by clean install they mean: Install from iso to a NON-formatted drive which contains previously installed Win10RTM updated from TP build.

 

Update, June 21st 9:45AM: Microsoft has updated its blog post today and removed references to "remain activated." The stealthy edit isn't acknowledged, and we've reached out to the company for comment.

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/20/8818383/microsoft-windows-10-free-for-testers

 

Not a surprise.
6-th of March 2015.
Da Costa said it will be a free upgrade for Windows Insiders testers to the RTM (release to manufacturing) build of Windows 10. However, to qualify for a free upgrade to the final Windows 10 version, users need to upgrade from Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1.

 

So, how is this any different for people that didn't want to waste time with the preview version that also get a free upgrade from Windows 7/8.X operating system? Seems exactly the same to me.

If you can only do an in-place upgrade and cannot install to an empty HDD/SSD using an ISO with a free Windows 10 product key, or using a Windows 7/8.X product key for the system you are upgrading, this whole thing is just a bogus come-on deal.

 

I thought you have to do an in-place upgrade and then tie the activation to your MS account.
Do clean install and login to your MS account to get it activated.

That's just too much work for 4 hours... I hope they just let us pre-activate and be done with it under 30 mins.

Though a key would work better.

 

Yeah, I really hate having to use a M$ account. I don't use any of the app crap and I don't want my online presence and activities tracked by these Nazis. Not that I think they will do anything crazy with it, it's just the overreaching and obnoxious control freak element of their approach that I truly despise.

They have so many strikes against them prior to RTM, with utter nonsense and idiocy like this M$ account and the possibility of not being able to disable Windows Updates, the decision-makers must be retarded fools with evil hearts. After Windows 8.X being such an adject failure, and how they can reasonably expect Windows 10 to have a warm embrace with these even more crazy aspects is beyond me. These "features" merely serve to underscore the magnitude of their stupidity and raise questions about the honorability of their intentions. I'm not getting any warm fuzzies from the DX12 hype and hoopla yet, so to feel even a smidgen of excitement so far isn't in me. The more I read, the more my interest wains and the more my resentment and contempt toward them builds.

 

That is really bugging me now, I cant seem to register there, did they find a way?

btw, 10147 keep forking up my wifi connection so have to roll back to 10130

 

yes, they did. http://hmemcpy.com/2015/04/preventing-a-certain-windows-update-from-installing-on-windows-10/

People, been using Linux Mint x64 (Cinnamon) last 3 hours and I must say... it's so human-like! And it feels so polished! There is no GUI feature which would make me so mad as in Windows 10 (maybe some annoyance did appear looking at Start Menu but hey, it's not Windows afterall!) and there is no bug which would make me same mad too... because I yet to find any.
I can't use it for everyday tasks due to lack of PotPlayer which I use with SVP (24 to 60fps interpolation software) and really weak built-in video-player whatever it is called (not much worse than WMP) but I really like Mint!

 

I use SVP too and it's the best thing since sliced bread. I cannot watch a movie now @30 FPS without SVP! SVP FTW

 

Never thought that a day will come when I have to do all of that to disable auto updates ... A thing that is disabled by default for me ever since I started using computers

 

Yeah, that's just absolutely nuts. Way too much work.

So, Group Policy Editor is gone in Windows 10 as well? And, we all get zombie PCs from the Microsoft Umbrella Corporation now?

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that they've said that an ISO will be available for download for those that want to do a clean install, but the caveat is that you have to do the in-place upgrade 1st to qualify, then you can clean install from the ISO.

EDIT: Ah, somebody already answered you!

 

Well it's not really the OS development, it's the platform that they are encouraging development for. Not just SteamOS but Linux. I'm sure there will be many UI options that are much better than SteamOS in the end if game devs continue to build for SteamOS/Linux. We just needed someone to carry the game devs to give a reason to add Linux to their list of platforms.

 

Microsoft makes it easier to use Windows 10 with a local account, compared with Windows 8.1: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/4260/windows-10-drops-reliance-on-microsoft-account

Have 10147 running on my Yoga 3 Pro, still not perfect, but much more stable and polished than 10130 already. RTM is coming close...

 

NVIDIA GeForce driver version 353.30 is the 1st Windows 10 driver to work without modding for a GTX570M in an MSI Sandy Bridge GT780DX notebook.

There's reports of 353.30 working on 4 series and older also plus 5 series and older desktops

Modded drivers always were shown as Not Digitally Signed

 

yes but they cripple performance badly due to throttling:
GeForce Drivers 353.30

 

These drivers are fine for my system, same performance as previous drivers in game benchmarks and 3DMark tests, no throttling issues for my system. (Windows 7)

 

My current win10 installation lost the ability to search app in start menu, any one know a fix?

too lazy to clean install when RTM is coming soon ~~

 

Micro$haft can't make up it's mind:

Microsoft Isn't Giving Away Windows 10 Licenses to Beta Users After All

 

Microsoft has flip-flopped on this a few times already so it's best to wait until the RTM is released to so what can and can't be done.

That's not to say that if Windows 10 is receiving a Vista type acceptance in the future things would change yet again.

Nothing that I see is written in stone.

I'm fine with my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on 1 SSD and my Windows 8.1 Pro x64 on another.

Who really needs Windows 10 especially the Core version that is extremely Administrator limited and forced updates.

 

They did, but the problem is: The media distorted what Microsoft said.

They never said they would give out licenses for free. The thing is: The Insider Program will continue, leading up to future Windows 10 updates (Redstone etc.). So if you stay with the Insider builds, of course, you can continue to use Windows 10 (or, more precisely, test Windows 10). Staying with the Insider Build means:
- Microsoft Account is mandatory
- You can´t defer receiving new builds - you are always running beta software with bugs

The "final", non-beta and stable Windows 10 version is only free for people with a Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 license. Here a Microsoft account is completely optional, and you won´t receive beta builds, only stable updates.