Windows 10

Like all previous DX versions other than 9 ... A long wait before something comes out that is worth the hype and even then it will the be only one for years to come.

Also, I don't understand the urge for getting the Enterprise version over the normal Pro.
As a standalone, pretty much have the same behavior as Pro other than a different label, additional activation paths, media and addons missing by default. (Sadly, Apps still there)

You still have to create your own domain so you can enforce your policy to use your own update server and not use the default MS server in the end.
Overkill, yes but in my head seem to be the easiest route to managing and be selective on updates.

I'm a bit peeved what they plan for 10. For better or worse, I don't have to deal with it in a year or two.

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How you guys getting Driver updates inside the Recommended Section in Windows Update?
Most systems I seen that get Driver updates are marked as optional and only shows up if using drivers from MS or the OEM driver has a nonsensical version scheme.

 

So now we officially have a Fisher-Price operating system.

Impressive.

 

^^^ w8, metro, tiles, w10, am still thinking MS got their inspiration from this > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fisher-Price-Fisher-Bilingual-Screen-LapTop/dp/B005Q9W6M0

 

It's kind of like cooking brownies laced with dog feces. If you add a whole bunch all at once, everyone will notice and say they are nasty brownies. If you gradually sneak it in they'll be none the wiser and actually believe they are really tasty even to the point when the dog feces becomes the main ingredient. "A little bit of leaven..."

The difference based on what we can see is Pro will not give finite control over updates, or the ability to completely disable them (the goal is to disable them for some of us). Enterprise will. Micro$haft is not qualified or competent to assume the role of system administrator for the masses. I simply won't tolerate that kind of nonsense from these Nazi clowns.

Using Micro$lop's Update Catalog or Automatic Updates for drivers is a disaster just looking for a place to happen. This is especially true with display drivers. The best approach to most drivers (display drivers being the exception most of the time) is if they work right, don't update them. This is even more true for notebooks, as many OEM drivers have special features licensed to the OEM specifically for their notebooks. The generic drivers from Windows Updates can cause problems with or even total break the added-value features. This is most common with audio drivers.

Indeed. The example in the link certainly fits the aesthetic motif. Maybe we will see Disney and Looney Tunes editions of Windoze OS X.

 

LOL. Yeah Windows is meant to be a "working man's OS". MS is trying to make Windows into a portable OS, and it should not be. Windows RT failed for a reason. They are pushing too hard to accommodate tablets and smartphones but completely dismissing their core customers in the process. Us old folks will still be around for a while to spend money...

 

I've had Windows Updates break my computers. The one i'm typing this message on will require email password verification for the mail app each time I do a Windows update. I have another computer where I lose the ability to wake my computer from sleep from my wireless keyboard.

I built a Steam Box and it's running Win 8.1 Pro and i've turned off Windows Defender and refuse to accept any Windows Updates, no issues !

 

Such kids (babies actually) must grow without anything with a screen. Period. And then slowly increase time spent with computer/xbox/smartphone just for those games/stuff which makes them smarter. 1-3 hours per day for 6-11 years with some exeptions. My IMO which may be wrong though.

 

What's wrong with the Fisher Price theme?? It was one of the things they listened from the backlog of complaints from Vista Era.
Heck I wouldn't be surprised about the W8 start screen from the complaints of the W95 days

Yep. One of those peeves I learned from the visiting direct sale reps. Vague as usual.
Though it sounds they will manage the updates policy regardless of edition as they have with previous version unless overruled by a more localized domain policy.
So, just having the ENT version might not be sufficient enough.

 

Just putting out a thought. If Windows 10 does force users to update Home/Pro/Enterprise (Home is confirmed for now) does that mean that Windows 10 will force you to connect to the internet and if you refuse will it invoke the non genuine watermark?

 

Could I do it?

Heck yeah, but that's not the real issue here.

The issue really comes down to what intrinsic value W10 brings to *me personally* in order for me to go through these steps so I could remain in control of my own systems.

The answer right now is quite simple: absolutely nothing.

 

it brings DX12 but gets smothered by all the bugs i have been having.

 

Just think what an abject failure Windoze OS X would be if there was no DX12. Some people are planning to upgrade for NO REASON EXCEPT FOR DX12, even though right now that's not even a legitimate reason because DX12 means nothing... yet. DX12 is the only thing that I believe might help it avoid failing harder than Windows 8, and there's still the possibility that it might in spite of DX12.

 

true and that's one of the reasons why i am not gonna get it in 4 days.

 

I wonder how well this launch will be?

Will it get stuck on scandisk?
Will it crash like there is no tomorrow?
Will it whine on every step you make?
Will it barely whine and just works?
Will it order us that we must like it?

Or
Will it watch us languish at the download page to download the client to download the update in order install before downloading another update in order to use it @ 10Kbps?

Any bets?

 

Provided they supply an ISO for a fresh install I will upgrade* from my current W8.1 install. If it's a pile of poo I've got my W7 Key ready.

 

I read that it's gonna be rolled out gradually, so I don't think it will be available for everyone to download on the 29th (hope it is though, I'm curious to try it!). I read that people on the Insider Program get it first, then the desktop & laptop users, all other platforms come later.

 

I expect it will be available for download as an ISO the moment it is available for in-place upgrade, exactly as Windows 8 was. You can choose the download to install later option, or whatever they call it, and that creates an ISO. The rigmarole that most folks hated was trying to source an ISO later on... without having to initiate the "upgrade" process. Hopefully, that process won't involve the level of nonsense it has with Windows 8. Should be able to go to a Micro$lop web site, log in with your Micro$lop spyware account and download an ISO whenever you feel like it... that would be the "right way" to do it, but they seldom do anything the right way any more.

 

Omg what I had in mind exactly! I can lose a win8 copy np at all and in case I need to roll back there is no point in goin to win8 anymore. I would just go to win7 and stay there for good

 

"Microslop spyware account" Hahah that's it. You have a way with words brother Fox.
The Free Microsoft Data miner coop.

Yep that it. Fresh install the w10 junk.. give it some time.. then w7 fresh quick (if it sucks) while there's less to lose..
Yeah W8.1 can go jump in the lake.

Free performance upgrade if I move to Windows 7 too

 

If you have only one drive in your PC then your options are a bit limited.

If you can,Install a fresh clean copy of Windows 7 Ultimate x64,and activate it with the Daz loader.

You should install all the updates.Then you should get the Windows 10 Free update icon in the taskbar.

Update it to Windows 10 on the 29th or anytime after.

You can then uninstall it if you desire.

That PC should then be able to clean install Windows 10 from an ISO unpacked onto a USB flash drive or burnt DVD any time in the future you wish or never if that's the way you choose.

Anyway,IMO it's better to have it available to you,FREE,than not whether you decide to use it or not.

I'm fortunate to have 3 SSDs in my notebooks that have W7,W8.1 and W10 on them.I have no use for an ODD so it's in the closet collecting dust next to the gaming consoles and old routers.

Isn't it great we have so many choices that only we should decide on;not others that have different agendas.

 

Yes, yes... choices are always good. Multi-boot is even better. That way you can choose the best tool for the job instead of the "one size fits all" approach.

 

This is why, for now, I boot Windows 7 and Mint 17.2/KDE.

 

The ESD decrypter worked well for me when I tried last week., I had no trouble converting the Windows Update ESD to an ISO.

It remains to be seen if I'm going to use W10, the forced drivers is one thing I really hate.

 

I'm probably going to download Windows 10 from MSDN when it is available, do the in place upgrade directly from a Windows 8.1 image that I have, and then upgrade that to 10.

After I finish customizing and tweaking the shiznit out of it, I'll image the "newly" created Windows 10 install and put it away for later, and then roll back to Windows 7.

 

Sounds like you're not going to use W10 for a while. If that's the case, that image of W10 will get old quite soon. MS will probably keep on making newer ISOs quite often. Even W8.1, which was a finished product from start, got two updated ISOs after the first one.

 

My clean install activated just fine btw, but wasn't the installation supposed to be smaller than in earlier versions (not talking about wimboot)?

My Pro 64 bit is 9 GB, excluding pagefile and hibernation.

 

still waiting for it to not to decide to ignore my aftermarket 980M.

 

Even if MS wouldn't force drivers it seems to be hard to find working drivers. In my case it may be partly because this laptop came with W7, and since W8.1 works with those old drivers they haven't been updated in years. The drivers that W10 installs automatically are from 2012, and when you open the graphics options it asks for .NET 3.
The old W8 command for installing .NET 3 from ISO still works.

Code:

Dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:NetFx3 /All /Source:F:\sources\sxs /LimitAccess

On my Acer 3820T Core I3-330M:
- Intel GMA HD drivers crashes EVERY TIME the display turns on.
- The battery indicator seems to be way off.

 

will have to give it 3 months.

 

I may end up using that Windows 10 image sooner than later. It all depends on when the fine folks who make the utilities and themes that I consider to be a must have release them for Windows 10. I had to use them on Windows 8.x, and I'll have to use them on Windows 10 too. When I say "have to", I mean in order for me to tolerate the OS. I absolutely refuse to use the OS out of the box as is, for a long list of reasons.

 

So I've been reading that automatic updates are mandatory no matter which previous Windows edition we upgrade from. This wasn't what I read a few months back. I'd read that only Home edition users would be forced onto automatic updates.
This might be the deal breaker for me. I simply don't trust MS have our best intentions based on their track record. Plus Nvidia drivers are so flakey lately they nearly always require roll-backs and tweaks. From what I'm gathering, W10 will handle all driver/hardware updates in a certalized fashion .
Hopefully we see enough boycotting so they reverse this draconian idea . Not cool.
If I'm under the wrong impression feel free to set me straight.

 

Nope. For all we know at the moment, you're 1001% correct.

The entire update approach is what has many of us in the "observer" mode and less-than-keen on trying out the upcoming OS.

 

So far, until the RTM and real EULA, we are speculating. I had to delete a premature thread for that reason too. But it does appear, even from M$ themselves, that there will be something to do with mandatory updates.

 

i am still wondering about windows 10 when it comes to auto driver updates with non-standard hardware like those who have upgraded to the 900M series. someone with an AW17 R1 will have to try.

 

This is part of my concern. From what I'm gathering it spells doom for users like yourself - me too to a lesser but still unacceptable degree, mainly because updates have always broken my setups otherwise running like a Swiss watch .
I guess we'll all know for certain soon enough.
Not so sure I'm keen on wasting my time on a day off later this week being a guinea pig.
There's not much immediate enticement to move but curiosity often gets the better of me.

 

The driver auto update can be stopped (Don't remember the build ID but some update had made the automatic driver update optional too, iirc) from the old school Advanced system settings -> Hardware tab -> Driver installation settings or Regedit. Here - ghacks.net

I think from all those rumors of win365, payment based subscription model, Free upgrade and then this - Windows 10 Home "users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available". What this means is that updates are mandatory on those systems, while Windows 10Pro users have eight months that they can delay updates for, they might be aiming to crack down piracy of the OS but the trade off being too bad, resulting in unstable user environment & sacrificing the control too..

 

Another thing that remains to be seen is *what exactly* happens after 8 months?

 

if they're doing auto driver updates then what's the point in nvidia releasing drivers as is on their site?

 

Need to re-Photoshop this and make it Windows 7 vs 10, LOL.

 

And the Windows 10 gal needs to have kiddy pastel colors body paint

 

Well I think for one, it won't be able to install drivers on non-standard hardware like non-standard GPU configurations in notebooks (like your 980M in the A17, and my 670MX in the M17xR3) - that's because we need a modded inf to install the NVidia driver. On one hand I think that's a good thing because we wouldn't want a specific NVidia driver forced down our throats. Prior testing by people on Windows 10 has shown that you can disable driver signing enforcement and install NVidia drivers using a modded inf (Mr. Fox was one of those people IIRC).

 

I vote Green based purely on appearance - maybe she should be the Windows 7!

 

Too me it is more like;

 

...some hope for the update dept., or just a smoke screen ?
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-releases-tool-to-hide-or-block-unwanted-windows-10-updates/

 

Portableupdate works in W10. http://www.portableupdate.com

 

Looks like it will be possible to control our Updates in Windows 10 then. That's good news, although it is a more complicated process than that of Windows 7 (and I guess Windows 8 - haven't used that one).

 

will see in 2 days!

 

There is no fate but what we make for ourselves. Only two days left until Genisys goes online.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyl...soft-backtracks-on-windows-10-forced-updates/

 

Good news... Are they 'listening' to customers, or reacting to bad publicity? Don't care as long as I'm in control and they are not. Whatever it takes.