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    Windows 10

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by WhatsThePoint, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. baii

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    Can't see much of a difference from resetting after upgrade vs clean install though?
     
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    Excellent, fixed the cold boot issue I had, starts from cold boot fine now! See my previous post where I've updated the details on how to do this - just make sure you have Fast Start-Up disabled. Apparently some Win 8.1 users had the same problem on their laptops, which is where I got the idea from.
     
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    I don't know. Each LCD lasted less than 48 hours (maybe even less than 24, but I wasn't measuring the time). I'm stumped... but, I have a strong feeling that GeForce drivers caused it. The displays were brighter than normal under Windows 10 and Windows 10 kept changing my display scaling from 100% to 125%. I had to set it back to 100% several times.
     
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    This will never sell. The metro apps just suck, in android with Amazon etc. I can track orders and what not. With W10 all it wants to do is sell. Why would I purchase a W10 phone too lose functionality?
     
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    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-upgrade-warning-for-alienware-owners.779449/

    OK, definitely NOT a coincidence now. Three machines with dead displays that are unbootable. Something is messed up really bad with either Windows 10 or GeForce drivers for Windows 10.
     
  6. Robbo99999

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    God, sorry to hear that, you've been screwed by Windows 10, I can't imagine that being a coincidence, something going on there! How come no other reports of dead LCD screens though, or are there? What's the common link between your systems and or screens that makes them susceptible to this destruction do you think? I'm on Windows 10 for a few days now without screen issues - I'm just running a 900p screen, but it is overclocked to 78Hz.

    (Just a thought, you have your laptops connected through your UPS - have you recently connected up some other non-Windows 10 laptops to your UPS to see if maybe there's some kind of strange current (electricity) issue with your UPS that could be the common denominator of the problem?)
     
  7. J.Dre

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    Windows 10 finally activated itself after a fresh install. Guess it just took time. Skipped all chances to enter a key... It just seemed to activate when connected to the Internet.

    However, my speakers stopped working. Did a fresh install, nothing changed. Reinstalled drivers, Windows was stuck in a 'reinstall / uninstall' loop and kept restarting. I tried a different port on my laptop and the audio started working.

    Did Windows 10 fry a port?
     
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    Yup, that's just how mine behaved.
     
  9. Kaozm

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    For someone that was highly sceptical in the first place you sure got screwed good by MS.. Not just a small problem either, how in gods name is this even possible? By this w10 will stay far away from here until.. idk w11??.......
    Done any flashing on your cards etc? Try to remove MXM or reset bios..? Wow this is just weird!
    Guess my future is "Retro" Thinkpad w/Ubuntu and a Steam Machine..... So tired of Windows.
    And for God's sake! Buy some beers! That will sure help, whatever the problem is haha :D

    Edit: Ok so your panels are actuallly blown.. Windows 10 - Kills the hardware for you. Sigh.


    Edit: And on another note, is Keylogger seriously still active in RTM? That was sup only to be preview right..!?
     
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  10. J.Dre

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    Fresh installed Windows 10 and still no sound. When I try to 'test' my speakers, it shows this:

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Robbo99999

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    Argghh, not another Win10 problem! (I'm having my fair share too if you've been following some of my posts, in fact I'm getting close to the point of going back to Win 7, gonna see if another release of NVidia driver sorts out the weird low performance after cold boot problem on mine.) Maybe try some different audio drivers?
     
  12. Mr. Fox

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    Manually install Windows generic audio drivers instead of the drivers for your brand/model sound card. That's the only way I could get the Sound Blaster Recon3Di audio to work correctly. Even the Recond3Di drivers provided natively by Windows 10 didn't work right, but the generic "high definition" drivers worked flawlessly.
     
  13. J.Dre

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    Now the test works, I can see the sound bar bouncing (indicating sound) but no sound coming through speakers. Also, the laptop speakers work. The external speakers work when I connect them to other devices, like my phone. Thinking about going back to 8.1. :confused:

    EDIT: Got them working after removing all traces of Realtek crap from the computer! But only in the S/PDIF port. The other ports are not working.

    Thanks, @Mr. Fox.
     
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  14. Mr. Fox

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    Is this with the generic Windows HD audio drivers as I suggested? The only thing that worked with the "correct drivers" for my system was the laptop speakers. The jacks for headphones and external speakers did not work at all unless I used generic Windows audio drivers.
     
  15. J.Dre

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    Edited my post above. But yes, sound is coming out of one port now. o_O The other ports act like they're dead for external speakers.
     
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    Well, look on the bright side... at least you don't have 3 dead über-expensive 18" RGB LED panels that nobody at Micro$lop or NGREEDIA will be willing to accept responsibility for.
     
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    and those panels are PITA to find too.
     
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    I know at the Nvidia forums they were complaining about either dual monitor and/or dual card configurations. I am still of them mindset that the LCD's were being over driven by brightness and/or refresh rates. Brightness we can control somewhat but refresh, if being read wrong, is something we can't control. Where the monitor may have wanted the off 59Hz it may have been being driven at 61Hz.

    I have had these drivers once put me too 125% with my 675m. TBH I am not happy with this version of driver. They do seem to drive the monitor slightly brighter than the drivers in Windows 7.

    I agree with others though, M$ and/or Ngreedia should be billed for the monitors.............
     
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    I doubt they will do anything but laugh at being asked to pay for them. Maybe I should take one or both of them to small claims court.
     
  20. TANWare

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    They would be sure it cost you 50x more than you would get as a reward. One thing I was sure to do is use Nvidia's official driver file rather than the one from the update, I used their international file and it went well, since it is the same version it did not appear to try and overwrite it.
     
  21. Mr. Fox

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    This is the driver I was using when each panel died: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/87791/en-us
     
  22. TANWare

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    That's the one. No matter what Windows 10 wants to do it is the drivers in the end that control the card output to the monitor. I will say this worries me a bit but what can you do in the end other than stick with Windows 7 and hope they do not trash that driver too.
     
  23. thegh0sts

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    try older drivers people i am still waiting for more reports on older drivers....even the hotfix ones.
     
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    I'm going back to Windows 8.1 tomorrow. I played some games today and ran some benchmarks, nothing improved. Benchmark scores actually decreased. Drivers are plain crap and updates are forced onto us. Very annoying. Hopefully 10.1 will give more control to the user and have fixes.
     
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  25. ajkula66

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    You, sir, are a better man than I'll ever be.

    After the second panel I would've been sitting in a cabin in Montana, writing a manifesto...

    After the third one, the mailings would've started...
     
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    Yeah, he's suffered enough. We've all suffered enough. NVIDIA should reimburse him.

    I'm going to purchase Windows 7 for my next PC, lol. :p 8.1 isn't bad after you've tweaked some stuff.
     
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    wait a few months. i have no choice as i am only on 1 pc atm.
     
  28. HTWingNut

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    Yes Mr. Fox. I would insist someone from Nvidia fly their ass to your place, bring two replacement panels with them, and install the LCD and drivers themselves and pony up the cash and/or replacements for the busted LCD's. Nvidia AND Microsoft need to know about this. How long before other people's panels blow up, get them replaced under warranty then it happens again, and again, and again.
     
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    The one side of this coin that bothers me is how may will blow up we never hear about. They have the single machine in their home and it blows up where then it is chalked up to coincidence? I mean what if it does run ok for 1 to 3 days before any issues or even longer as they use it only a few minutes a day etc..
     
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    I imagine there will be A LOT we never hear about. Most people aren't intuitive enough to connect the dots. Huge possibility of a chain reaction here.

    @Mr. Fox,

    I found the sound issues I was having earlier were related to NVIDIA's latest driver. After downgrading to 347.88, I can use all of my audio ports and they work perfectly. What is the deal lately with NVIDIA? They've really gone down hill from when I joined in 2012.
     
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    They stopped worrying about AMD and start caring their bottom line.

    Lucrative government contracts ;)
     
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    TBH that local delivery of updates will be awesome with a few PC's in the house. Not that it will help data as unlimited but I have to keep after everyone to update their machines. Having updates via the faster local network will be awesome as the updates will get to them during their limited usage.
     
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    What? You don't like having a zombie PC plugged into the Skynet core? How else can the system become "self-aware" and make all of our decisions for us? C'mon now... drink that Kool-Aid and be a team player.
     
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    Haha, well it is kinda true, they are integrating everything and taking away control from the user, we are to have one of the very many machines - no place for uniqueness! (When seen at a very broad philosophical level!) I do feel like we're losing the ability to tinker with success, now it's tinker with failure!
     
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    The first thing I did during the WinX setup was to disable all sharing of info and continue to do so as more information is revealed.
     
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    On the plus side, Sleep function is working without a hitch for the first time ever on my laptop - Win 7 never worked properly (sporadic black screen on resume from sleep) (even with a clean Win 7 install). This mitigates somewhat the strange Cold Boot Low GPU Performance problem I'm having with Win 10.
     
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    This pretty much sums things up, I think.

     
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    I've gotten to the root of the Cold Boot Low GPU Performance problem I am having. My GPU is only operating at PCIe x1 instead of x16 after a cold boot - after a restart it will work at x16. Does anyone know what settings I might be able to change to enable my GPU to operate at PCIe x16 after a cold boot when a load is applied to it? (Note it is flipping up to v2.0 from v1.1 correctly though when under load)
     
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    Might be the Intel chipset or IMEI drivers. If you are already using new Windows 10 drivers for those, try using older Windows 7 or 8 drivers and see if it improves.
     
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    Thanks for the response Mr. Fox, will try locating those drivers.

    EDIT: Intel 6 series Chipset - version 9.2.0.1015 (04/10/2010)
    IMEI driver: 8.1.0.1263 (02/07/2012)

    So, they're older drivers anyway, I'll see if I can find any newer ones. (all installed automatically by Windows 10 - although I did do the in-place upgrade & then a Reset option for a 'clean' install)
     
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    make sure your IMEI firmware is up to date as well. i think there was a post with some links on how to download and flash the latest firmware for your chipset.
     
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    The latest 6 series chipset driver I could find was 9.2.0.1030 (from sometime in 2011) - I ran the auto setup utility & it extracts file but doesn't install even though it says it has (driver version number not changing for chipset in device manager). I have a hunch that it's not installing automatically because I'm windows 10 - do I need to use the device manager & manual install method by referring to the correct inf? (Sketchy on how to do this).

    Will tackle the IMEI also. Tired now, sleep calling, will tackle this tomorrow. Thanks for the pointers. :)
     
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    They are talking about how great it is and positive reviews, so where are these reviews? While I and others were initially impressed it has gone down hill since.
     
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    Microsoft's Business and Enterprise customers ignored Windows 8 and 8.1 in droves.
     
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    Working in a big corporation, I can tell you that they will keep ignoring anything beyond W7 with the way things are going
     
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