Windows 10

That statistics picture is still June where only Win10 TP was in. But how are things now after the public release?

 

That is the reason for the release 7/29, most will install it and at least try it for the 30 days. This will create huge August numbers for them to tout. This strategy of rolling it out in waves could also skew the September and even up to December numbers. My interest will be more how the numbers stack up starting in January of the new year and then after the free roll out.

So in the end I expect big numbers and the bean counters to make it look even bigger than it is.

 

Said from a wise man, very good and valid point.

 

It is too true, they are playing us. The IT guys killed Windows 8.x whether M$ wants to admit it or not. No one worth their salt recommended to friends and family to upgrade nor was there much local support given by the tech people. I never heard people trying to teach into the new learning curve.

Now they will want to make it look like there is a huge following and we should get with it so we can help out all of our friends and family that took advantage of that free upgrade. I say hogwash, downgrade and get rid of the nagware or get help elsewhere!

Now let me be wrong and M$ come out with a TRUE plan to fix the major issues. I will be the first there to back you guys up 110%. Till then, I am sorry I can not recommend W10 to anyone as there are just way too many issues.

 

I'm glad I didn't bother to even try it. I fussed with a preview build for about a day and that was enough for me. Really, really, really a shame. That graph should speak volumes to Microsoft. People want and enjoy Windows 7. So why not just build on that. It looks like they never accepted the failure that was Windows 8 and kept building on it. I really really really have no idea what Microsoft is thinking. If 8.1 took off like a banshee then I'd just admit MS is smarter than all of us, and they should be, but collectively us "enthusiasts" and "content creators" don't want this kind of crap they're shoveling out.

 

1. I feel so sad about Mr. Fox' displays disaster. Considering how Nvidia and MS treats 'real' feedback (not just cheers from mass people) I believe not many people could afford to try it on a third display ahead. I wish Mr. Fox had recorded the third time of that.
2. MS lives in a miracle world right now. It's called 'Dream full of false hopes'. They listen only what they want to listen and ignore what they don't like. At the end they meet reality the hard way. But they are so blind they will believe that it wasn't their fault.

Clever guy learns on somebody's mistakes. Not clever guy learns on his own. Total fool never learns anything.

 

Windows 10: how much of my personal information can Microsoft access?
Microsoft is collecting user account information, credit card details and passwords following the installation of Windows 10, according to an updated privacy statement.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/windows/11782807/windows-10-privacy.html

John.

 

The final build of 10 seems like a other buggy BETA that was rushed out to keep up with the 29th of July release date. 10 is an ongoing beta

 

My problem with labeling this a beta is that infers there are things that will be ironed out. In other words issues that will be fixed. I am not too sure the issues that we are coming across are ones that M$ even considers an issue at all let alone a fix coming down the line. Yes I can see some, like dead screens, being a definite problem to address. Many other issues though seem they are there by design.

Unless this is a flop because of those there will be no driving force to fix most anything. Why should they give back anything for no reason at all? Now calling this a huge social experiment with the largest possible malware intrusion ever perpetuated, seems a bit more accurate.

Now why do I say this when there is Google etc. out there? Those are usually consumption devices not production ones. It is like difference of looking at what I say and enjoy and then now digging into the roots of my life.

Have to add an edit; no corporation will ever allow M$ to dig into their productivity. You think they stay away from W8.x wait until you see how far they stay away from anything W10. My bet is this includes small business as well.

 

When you say "Remove bugs, iron it out" Microsoft hears "Make bugs ironed". So after N-th build you will be like "Okay, MS, fine! I already kinda got used to it".

I don't have problem with 100%>125% magnifying because I use it at native resolution and read text fine. But if I had to set it to 125% I would ave same problems as everyone else on Windows 10. Just because MS felt like removing another option.

 

Windows 10 wipes your child safety settings if you upgrade from 7 or 8

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/05/windows_10_wipes_child_safety_settings_upgrade/

John.

 

It just keeps getting worse the more we dive into this POS OS.

 

Yes, remove basic functionality of the OS, force driver updates to destroy peoples' PCs and force upgrade the entire world via Windows updates unless it's PRO people like us who know what updates to hide!

 

This is just too funny, that new add campaign is geared towards kids and family. Good thing there are no computer using young ones here yet.

 

Had to laugh while looking for some info for W10 and came across this on on Microsoft's site .

See http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/spyware-whatis.aspx for the whole article.

It sounds like it is describing W10 lol.

 

Although when you install Win 10 it does give you option to turn off a lot of the 'spyware' if you don't choose Express Install, plus it tells you what info it's gonna collect, so it's not without consent.

 

I bet you 90% of the people won't even do that because the Customize Button is a tiny little text link on the bottom left......most would just hit next......

 

See "How to prevent spyware" section.

I haven't upgraded yet, does W10 also give the option to disable forced / hidden updates?

 

Hm. If you use a protection software it removes the ad/spy ware. W10 just allows us to enable/disable with varied levels of difficulty but leaves the problematic options just waiting for someone to find a hole. Not very assuring.

 

By default M$ doesn't give an option from UI for but gpedit works.
NBR's Win10 Tweaks and Anti - spyware,nagware,BS thread

 

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And then you have our old friend Mr. Thurrott writing this wonderful piece:

https://www.petri.com/windows-10-privacy-concerns-are-overblown-but-perception-matters

Some people...

 

Problem is not so much the status quot, the problem is if there is ever a hole found. I reiterate, nothing is 100% safe and this just exposes you. If someone is at your house, other than a phone, you probably want to give them device access. That is be it movies on your NAS, your printer etc.. I have to give them a non guest password for that. Now I have to worry about them and their system, no thanks.

 

Just updated to Windows 10 last night, everything is working nicely. Games seem to play more smoothly and with higher fps, very impressed with the performance now in the witcher 3.

 

No GpEdit for W8.1, is it available in 10? Might just be for the pro version.

 

Yep, I guess all Home editions lack that crucial feature, that said even with with Pro edition the postponement of updates can be done only till 8 months limited time frame, no idea what will happen after that If a machine doesn't update...perhaps no more updates (?), Always hazy M$. Still we have our alternatives
Enterprise offers a better control over these two without any gpedit or restrictions but no retail / ISO's as of now.

 

I have no issue with system updates so long as they fix what they break. It is the driver updates that is an issue for me and I have already had an issue with one.

 

Yeah he's an idiot. I stopped reading anything anything he wrote after he condescendingly dismissed the removal of Backup and Restore in Windows 8.1 because it was apparent he had swallowed the M$ corporate pitch hook, line, and sinker.

 

It was and is apparent. Allot of them out there will as they have to get paid. Expect the spin engines to be working overtime over the next few months. M$ is banking on the general public accepting the privacy issues as is. If they have to concede and lighten up it will cost them not only money but knock the corporate bullies down a peg or two.

My guess is they figure why would others bother any more with ad/spy ware when now they can just purchase the data from M$. This is why whenever they want to say there are no real privacy issues that they only address M$ NonSense. They now have SpyAdWare as the OS itself that literally will now not only monitor your consumption but your productivity flow as well.

 

There's an Unreal Engine 4.0 DX12 Tech Demo out that you can download and run in real time on your GPUs (download link is located on the YouTube link):
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/unreal-engine-4-elemental-tech-demo-dx12.html

You can run the benchmark in DX11 (if you run the main application icon), or in DX12 if you run the link marked "DX12". It runs OK on my laptop - I got an average of 40fps as recorded by FRAPS using DX11, with minimum fps in the high 20's. Running the DX12 version seemed to be the same fps (FRAPS wouldn't run with DX12), except overall power draw was probably on average 5W less as measured by my Kill-A-Watt - I think this was because I was getting 99% constant GPU utilisation during DX11, and during DX12 I was getting slightly less at 97% constant GPU utilisation, CPU utilisation seemed to be similar between the two versions strangely, although did look that DX12 CPU utilisation only very slightly more evenly distributed between cores. VRAM usage on DX12 was 700MB higher than DX11. Both DX11 & DX12 versions looked the same, so I don't think they're running different settings. All a bit MEH, but happy that the DX12 demo ran well on my laptop regardless!

 

It said DX12 is not supported on my system with a GTX 675m

But supposedly it should; http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3711/~/which-nvidia-gpus-will-support-dx12?

 

Ah, this is why, it says in a note on that page you linked: "Fermi will receive DX12 support later this year (expected around the first wave of DX12 content)." (You don't have DX12 support just yet.)

 

But I wana play today.

 

I have just done a clean install, disabled driver updates through the hardware tab device installation settings, disabled driver updates via registry, disabled driver updates through the group policy editor, the moment I went online drivers were all being silently installed in the background in one shot not even the courtesy of restarting after each driver update. Screw this OS, back to Windows 7 FTW

 

The problem is you eventually will need to get the updates, and this includes drivers as they are accumulative. You can not have the old process back. I have to wonder if the people posting stuff like that are not M$ shills trying to quiet the storm of protest. If there were and actual way to control the updates I wouldn't think that but you are only delaying the inevitable with these hacks.

You can not specifically in W10 stop driver updates, this is why people are unhappy.

 

Agreed, but it seems to too them.

 

The new calendar (when you click on the clock) is pretty slick

 

I'm not saying this as a Microsoft shill because I'm not. I'm saying this as a career UNIX sysmonster from the BOFH mold: automatic updates is a godsend. I use cron-apt on my Debian boxes. I use yum-autoupdate on my CentOS and Scientific Linux boxes. Getting updates before attackers have a chance to exploit vulnerabilities takes that much stress out of my life.

Microsoft finally getting on board with this makes a lot of sense to me especially since the vast majority of Windows users aren't sysadmins. Computers are appliances to them: they want to be able to plug them in and forget about them except when they need them. This is what the overwhelming majority of consumers want (or at least think they want). To make this happen, computers must have an automatic update mechanism that cannot be disabled. If it can be disabled then attackers can and will disable it.

Welcome to the era of personal computing appliances.

 

I understand, and have no issue with, system updates for security. The issue is driver updates, plain and simple. And the era of as you call it is not here it is a M$ dream. Consumers will need to accept it first, and right not from the vocalizations and multitude of attempted hacks they are not. You are one of the few that I have seen in favor of this with drivers. I can tell you first hand it is a horror. I've already had a touchpad driver hang up all further updates on my P79xx.

 

Some MS' updates corrupt system that not every virus can.

 

It's here. Smartphones. Tablets. They're personal computing appliances. This isn't where the world is going; it's where the world is now. And consumers are accepting it. A little more than a week out and Windows 10 is running on some 25 million devices.
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-is-running-on-more-than-25-million-devices

I do include drivers. If drivers are opt-out then attackers can trick the system into opting out of driver updates. Then, if there are exploitable flaws in installed drivers, the whole system can be compromised and the system will never correct itself. It has to be all-in for a self-managing system.

 

the dumbing down of devices to protect users from themselves - awesome. Hopefully steam os gains traction.

 

I'll take my chances with the third-party attackers as opposed to Microsoft themselves crashing my system(s) on regular basis. But that's me.

 

LOOOL!

I actually laughed out loud at that. Funny.

 

For years driver have been optional without issue, saying that having them as optional means you have hated everything in just about every OS (Linux as well as Windows) up till today! No longer believing in you, as that statement is way beyond logic.

PC's are not an appliances (at lest not yet) and we are not discussing other devices here.

 

+1

My system is MY sytem, Let Windows control all the updates and to them automatically I don't mind. But when someone wants to touch my perfect system with tested drivers, I don't accept that no matter what even if it is gonna make my PC fly. Back to Windows 7 for a long time until they sort out this driver update mess.

 

I am trying it a bit different this time. Shouting all I can from their side of the fence. This could easily change though.

 

I'm currently having issues with the latest windows 10 update (KB3081424) and many other are as well from a simple google search, I've tried manually installing the update and changing some of the regedit files but nothing it working, it just keeps failing to install and then asks for a reboot. This is a clean windows 10 install and I'm still having trouble installing SR 1.... and Microsoft wants to auto install updates and drivers when they can't even do either correctly... just pathetic.

 

Doesn't the following Microsoft tool give users the control to prevent automatic installation of drivers on specific components, I believe it does:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930
If that's the case, it's not really an issue right? I mean it's a bit of extra effort to prevent those driver updates on your chosen specific components, but it seems doable - and it's a Microsoft tool that enables this functionality as well.

 

key there is a temporary hiding of the update. A cumulative that includes driver updates will fail every time and no further updates till that is fixed.

Had an issue here as well on my P79. Had to revert, fix the task scheduler with the W7 image I had, then upgrade again.