It very well may be but since they, M$, have said they will deactivate unauthorized hardware a new bios version may qualify. the fix so far is to do either a reinstall or a bootrec fix. A bios change should have nothing to do with bootrec status on the drive.
Does your system use a winflash while W10 is running?
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I'm not sure what that is. A quick Google search just came up with results about Asus?
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I think he's asking you whether you flash your BIOS from within Windows - when Windows operating system is running, or do you flash the BIOS from a bootable USB or something before Windows is loaded. Think that's what he's asking. -
I use Prema's advised method, which is to use Rufus to create a bootable USB drive.
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That may be the difference, All of the Samsung's use a WinFlash program that updates the bios while Windows is running. W10 probably see's this, while active, and then disables the boot drive from being able too boot.
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"I drank water made from poop"
http://www.gatesnotes.com/Developme...=08_12_2015_Omniprocessor_BG-OB_&WT.tsrc=BGOB
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Although in fairness Windows 10 isn't even mentioned in that article, because it's just not relevant to it. -
Sounds pretty good update to be honest:
http://www.neowin.net/news/here-is-what039s-new-in-windows-10-build-10525
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And the new Memory Management feature could be quite significant for those who max out their RAM quite quickly & easily - will make more efficient use of the RAM you do have. I doubt that's gonna have an impact on my system, I don't need the whole 16GB that I have, but I do know that 8GB is not enough for me - some games would push up against the 8GB RAM limit. For those with 8GB RAM then I think this could be a useful feature from a gaming perspective. Will be interesting to see some reviews that might show just how much extra RAM can be freed up by the new compression features of the new memory manager. -
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Did anyone realize that CUDA doesn't work in Windows 10? If I set MPC-HC to use LAV/CUVID when I play a video all I see is a black screen, set it back to DXVA and it works.
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Yeah, CUDA does not work with the modern drivers. I think it was broken a while ago, before RTM of 10.
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Yeah, it was really nuts that NVIDIA did away with it. I guess they had too many less useful features gimmicks (GFE, Battery Boost, etc., etc.) that required their attention for them to have time to focus on something as valuable as CUDA. But, it does work if you add it back again for Windows 7 and 8. Not sure if the tweak works with Windows 10, but since it's only my disposable crash test dummy OS, I don't have any immediate plans to tinker with making CUDA work for Windoze OS X.
This mod has it: Mr. Fox's GeForce 345.20 Desktop Driver Mod for Alienware and Clevo Mobile GPUs And, @j95 provides mods to add it as well. -
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O&O has released a program called ShutUp10,;it's a tool designed to gag windows 10.
English
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutu...=NL2262-weblink&utm_campaign=oonewsletter2262
German
http://www.oo-software.com/de/shutu...=NL2262-weblink&utm_campaign=oonewsletter2262
"O&O ShutUp10 means you have full control over which comfort functions under Windows 10 you wish to use, and you decide when the passing on of your data goes too far. Using a very simple interface, you decide how Windows 10 should respect your privacy by deciding which unwanted functions should be deactivated." -
Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative
Windows 10 Adoption Already Slowing Down and Microsoft Starts to Worry
Stats show that the Windows 10 momentum is fading away
Windows 10 was launched with much fanfare on July 29, and given the fact that during the same day Microsoft also allowed Windows 7 and 8.1 users to start downloading the new operating system free of charge as a direct upgrade, its market share skyrocketed in just a few hours
As The Reg points out, in the first week on the market, Windows 10 managed to increase its share by 177 percent, jumping from 1.36 percent to 3.78 percent. The biggest market share of Windows 10 was achieved last week when it reached 4.95 percent, but statistics show that the growth of the operating system is slowing down already.
It's no secret that in the first days of availability, Windows 10 created some sort of online craze thanks to the free upgrade offer, and there were reports that it even slowed down the Internet in some parts of the world, so it's no surprise that so many people installed it.
30 percent increase
But since that moment has passed and Microsoft rolls out Windows 10 in stages to those eligible for the free upgrade, its adoption is more or less slowing down, with StatCounter data showing an increase of only 30 percent in market share in the week of August 9.
Three percent surely sounds impressive for an operating system that's new on the market, but it's also a sign that Microsoft needs too much time to make it available to users worldwide and given the fact that adoption is already slowing down and Windows 10 doesn't even have 4 percent of the market, the company should really find a way to release it to everyone ASAP.
The free upgrade offer lasts until July 29, 2016, so there's still plenty of time for these figures to grow, but it's pretty much obvious that the launch momentum is the one that's more important.
On the other hand, it's also a well-known fact that some users and enterprises delay the transition to a new operating system in order to see how it performs on other computers and determine any issues that might be experienced within their organization.
So in other words, these figures are very likely to grow in the coming months. But the biggest question is, by how much?
Microsoft will be monitoring this concern.
My personal thoughts, Vista and Windows 8 here comes ten to be included in that same category of failed to adapt into the marked for some reason or two...
Source: http://news.softpedia.com/news/windows-10-adoption-already-slowing-down-489385.shtmlMr. Fox likes this. -
This is a few days old as W10 is already, by the metric, over 4%.
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And, you guys thought I was exaggerating, LOL.
At this point we can only hope for another dismal failure like Windows 8, and the prospects are starting to look promising. I hope it costs them dearly. They don't really deserve a recovery from this fiasco. Their fatal error was the assumption that everyone was born stupid.WhatsThePoint and USMC578 like this. -
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Sheesh as much as I hated 8 now when I look at it again it's not so bad at all. And we thought u had to do a lot of things to set win 8 to ur liking before it becomes useable. Compared to what u have to do in 10, 8 is like a walk in the park. -
Well, I suppose. By the same token, if you get sprayed by a skunk you will eventually become desensitized to the stench.USMC578 and Spartan@HIDevolution like this.
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I disagree with this article in some respects, I don't see why Microsoft would be worrying about a slow down in the rate of adoption - as the article says they're controlling the rate of the rollout to existing Win 7 & 8 customers, and the initial rocket in Win10 uptake in the first week of launch was likely in large part to people manually upgrading to Win10 using the direct download (USB installer). It's too early to make accurate conjectures as to where Win10 will end up in terms of market share. -
You live in New-York, you like it. You have a well-paid work, always connected and synced, subway and taxis, restaurants and cafes. Then you suddenly was brought by ____ to uninhabited island... FOR FREE! You are f#$d up, you think so but ____ tells you just don't understand how lucky you are because it's Island AS A SERVICE! Snakes and Spiders? It's a SERVICE! No toilet? It's a SERVICE! Months of rain? IT'S A SERVICE!
After 1-2 years you will get used to it and feel way better and safer than first weeks or months after arriving there. That's why you believe its not so bad because people are made to get used or die.
All became not so hard to digest... except you lost your job (lost productivity you had on Win7), you lost connectivity (all those GUI tweaks and settings you got used to set up in a minute are gone) and yeah, it appeared that you were filmed for a new show Brought to Island (2015) but don't worry, they won't put records of you doing ashamed stuff (toilet etc) but that doesn't mean they never recorded that! (they are not going to share all your personal info and data scan but that doesn't mean they didn't spy on you!). -
CUDA decoding is same if not worse than DXVA(according to LAV filter discussion), so don't worry.
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Another thing to consider with market share of W10 machines. This includes not just the upgrade but there are a few machines out now new with W10 pre-installed.
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Microsoft won't be issuing release notes for Windows 10 updates
http://arstechnica.com/information-...no-plans-to-tell-us-whats-in-windows-patches/
A lot of people in the comments are riled up about this. Particularly a few IT professionals since this apparently applies to Windows 10 Pro as well. No word if it affects the Enterprise addition.
How do y'all feel about this?
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What I meant was that the total number of machines is not just those who have upgraded. Since the new machines now being sold have the new OS too they will affect market share.
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As an enthusiast I'm not particularly happy about that move - I'd rather know what changes were being made, mostly from a curiosity perspective. I'd imagine IT professionals would feel a lack of control when not knowing what the updates might have changed - should definitely be included on the professional versions of the OS, and I think also on the Home version. -
I think you already know the answer to that one. Not disclosing the information is messed up, and totally wrong of them.
Speaking of updates, so far I can find no evidence of forced Windows 10 updates on my Clevo with Automatic Updates being disabled in Group Policy. I see the warnings trying to scare me, but no updates have been automatically applied since the day I installed Windows 10 and immediately killed the option with Group Policy Editor. Crossing my fingers that it stays that way. -
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Did you try typing in perfmon /rel into the 'Search Windows Bar' - access to Reliability Monitor which shows Windows updates that are not listed in the main Windows Update history?Mr. Fox likes this. -
Maybe it's just me being too old school, but it certainly "feels" like they are doing this intentionally to demoralize their more technically savvy customers. Maybe in their screwed up way of thinking, the geeks like us will eventually forgive it and accept it. It's unforgivable and unacceptable, but recent history has already proven to those paying attention these sick deviants truly don't give a rat's hind end what we want or care about. It's like they are just flipping us an obscene gesture every day as we continue peeling back the layers of the rotting onion.
Oh, good point. I totally forgot about that hidden cancer thing. Thanks for mentioning it. I'll check tomorrow and find out (time for bed now at 1:47 AM LOL). If there are, then I may just restore my Windows 8.1 imagine and be done with it. That might explain the goofy behavior I saw earlier today with GFE acting spastic and ShadowPlay configuration options disappearing, GFE crashing, then ShadowPlay configuration options reappearing. It did that three times today and I dismissed it as being another example of NVIDIA drivers still being trash.Robbo99999 and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative
I don't know if it's Placebo effect or not but once I ran O&O ShutUp 10 and disabled all telemetry, feedback, keyboard loggin, ba bla bla, I feel Windows 10 is much much much snappier. It could either be true or it's the placebo effect. Highly recommended tool this is a gift from God to help us from the Micro$h4ft privacy invasions with one click. I respect O&O so much for releasing this tool for free and will be supporting them, I already have a few license for a few apps they offer. -
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I also ran this tool a couple of days ago, and disabled some of the stuff I wasn't going to be using like Cortana & the automatic screen capture thing (tracks what you click on & takes screenshots to help technical support solve problems), but didn't disable all the telemetry - I didn't notice increased OS snappiness at all - Windows 10 is snappy anyway for me. -
I don't know about this, it does not feel like a GFE. I mean I thought they were supposed to kiss you before you get the treatment. Oh wait, were we talking about paying for ....... I guess there is a parallel as we're are still getting screwed, right?
M$ just does not realize that us Techies and IT people etc. control the market, not them. It is our money and where PC's are concerned the consumer market follows our trends not theirs. Those same people would have loved 8.x general consumers would have followed suit. But maybe this is the point.
Computer users have followed us possibly longer than the industry wants. They may be grasping for control over the market trends. If M$ can get the general consumer to trust them over their local guy who always seemed to know what was good for them. Most people know somebody who either helps them or gives them computer advise. The companies want that control so they can steer as to what sells and is used etc. All this and they control all of the data/info too, what a racket they are proposing.
IMHO they are purposely not just ignoring us but trying to replace us as well. This at least as far as our family, friends, coworkers or even acquaintances. All this while monopolizing every thing out there. This does not just go for M$ either as Intel and NVidia are showing their colors as well too.Last edited: Aug 22, 2015Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
Using Windows 10 one should check out Privacy Options settings and what level of privacy ones wants and have a local account to log into it when starting up.
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I just checked. Happy to report all clear. Nothing has been installed except what I have installed manually, on purpose. No driver updates, nada...
Brother @Papusan - found this, bud... cleverly tucked away in an obscure corner trying to hide like a little disease infested rat.
You'll find this deceptively stuffed into a corner in "Troubleshooting" and you can change settings there. Maybe they thought we would not look for "Maintenance" settings under "Troubleshooting" LOL. Those sneaky low-down shysters.
Go ahead and kill/silence everything you can find that allows Windoze to "help" you screw things up. If nothing else, it should at least shut up.
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@Robbo99999 - Maintenance-Free - Windows 10 Nuked Edition FTW \0/
Nuke-o-Rama, Let Me Be God, Not You, Drop-Dead and Bite My Butt M$ Edition
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Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative
A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10
http://investmentwatchblog.com/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10-2/
All text typed on the keyboard is stored in temporary files, and sent (once per 30 mins) to:
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
Telemetry is sent once per 5 minutes, to:
vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
typing the name of any popular movie into your local file search starts a telemetry process that indexes all media files on your computer and transmits them to:
df.telemetry.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
When a webcam is first enabled, ~35mb of data gets immediately transmitted to:
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
Everything that is said into an enabled microphone is immediately transmitted to:
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com
If this weren’t bad enough, this behaviour still occurs after Cortana is fully disabled/uninstalled. It’s speculated that the purpose of this function to build up a massive voice database, then tie those voices to identities, and eventually be able to identify anyone simply by picking up their voice, whether it be a microphone in a public place or a wiretap on a payphone.
Interestingly, if Cortana is enabled, the voice is first transcribed to text, then the transcription is sent to:
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
df.telemetry.microsoft.com
While the inital reflex may be to block all of the above servers via HOSTS, it turns out this won’t work: Microsoft has taken the care to hardcode certain IPs, meaning that there is no DNS lookup and no HOSTS consultation. However, if the above servers are blocked via HOSTS, Windows will pretend to be crippled by continuously throwing errors, while still maintaining data collection in the background. Other than an increase in errors, HOSTS blocking did not affect the volume, frequency, or rate of data being transmitted.
http://localghost.org/
http://aeronet.cz/news/analyza-windows-10-ve-svem-principu-jde-o-pouhy-terminal-na-sber-informaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu/ -
Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet
They wanna catch those terrorists! Haha, who knows! I don't really know how insidious all this data capture really is - I mean I don't mind on a personal level because I don't need to hide - as long as we don't turn democracy into some kind of a police state I'm fine with it! -
People just do not get it. I tell them that this OS does everything we have been trying to prevent since the first keystroke ever made on a computer and they just do not seem to care. It's a nice shiny new OS, yeah one that relays everything. Why stop a virus when you can just be the virus?
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Unlike prior/present captures it includes EVERYTHING! all of your off line work product/flow etc.. I understand selling from your consumption end and this is like window shopping, all the store clerks can see what you are looking at and know what to bark at you as you walk by. Now private work should remain just that for obvious reasons.
Also you have no control now what happens or is done with all that data, let alone the extra data. You have no determination of what is considered private and/or illegal. What used to take a court order to obtain would now just take asking M$ nicely if not just purchasing the information outright. Just by having the OS you are giving away all of your rights, read the legalese! It does not matter what is being done with the data at this very second but what the ramifications of giving away your rights to any privacy are down the line.
Edit; by the intended rights you are signing away this includes all data flowing in and out of your computer. Every email, solicited or not. Every byte of data you could be held responsible for in the end. and the information is all not just there for the taking but the handing over freely!Last edited: Aug 23, 2015 -
Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet
Do we know that Microsoft would release the data to 3rd parties?? Where does it say that, doesn't it say in the small print that they WON'T release the data to 3rd parties - normally data privacy legal terms & conditions state that they won't share with 3rd parties? How do you know that 3rd parties would just have to 'ask nicely' or pay for the data, how do you know that a court order wouldn't be needed to extract this information from Microsoft? -
Right, you do not know. There is no guaranty of privacy. As it is now there are procedures in place, this is signing away the need for those. You prove my point here exactly.
No one has the right to my private work, no one. I have certain rights to privacy and intend to keep those intact!
Edit; No it does not say information will not be released specifically. Even where it does mention those supposed 3rd parties it does not include partners. You have no control on who the partners are or where the legalese of the partners pertain. Contracts such as EULA's are meant to be broken and/or exploited. Why do you think there are so many lawyers out there?Last edited: Aug 23, 2015 -
Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet
I was hoping that you would copy & paste some of the small print into a post showing support for your assertions that Windows 10 & Microsoft will mean that:
1) Microsoft would release the privacy data to 3rd parties.
2) Privacy data would be released from Microsoft to 3rd parties when 'asked nicely' or when paid for data.
3) That a court order would not be needed to extract some data from Microsoft, whereas with previous OS this was not the case.
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No, I am not a lawyer nor pretend to be one. It is up to each person to do this, that is another issue. We are delving into allot of uncharted legal territory and untested waters. I will comment however on the 3rd question as it is a logical rather than legal one.
Prior to Windows 10 there was no data collected from off line work. They can not obtain information from M$ that just does not exist on their servers. As we all know, as it is today, if they want my computer and its included data they need a search warrant to seize it.
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I respect that, that's fair enough, you don't have to sift through the legal small print to support your points for the benefit of others - perhaps I should read the terms & conditions myself, but it is harder to take your points with weight if you're not showing your workings. Haha, I know what you mean about not being a lawyer - I hate small print!
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The meaning of needing a court order is a search warrant as that is a court order. As mentioned there is no guaranty of them needing this in an inquiry to M$ or even the fact of them outright offering the information up in the spirit of piracy or some other deemed inappropriate act.
Yes read it over carefully. Remember too that there can be other sections and/or contractual liabilities that can alter aspects of the agreement(s). All of this too as it is done as a service, unlike a product with a set EULA. Service agreements can change down the line and you can either agree with them or go somewhere else.
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No search warrants or court orders are necessary because you "agree" that they can collect everything and do with it whatever they wish in "good faith" LOL.
And, now an important message from our sponsor...
Hey, telemetry is important. Without it, we will not be able to have an "immersive" experience:
But, this isn't new... just new for Micro$haft. Our "friends" gave us a nice head start:
And, they do the things they do with your permission... you said it was "OK" when you installed Windows 10, LOL.
Remember, you have 30 days to opt out and go back to using your previous operating system.toughasnails and TANWare like this. -
I am not looking to spread FUD or anything that looks like it. I am just saying read all of it and decide for yourself, do not just take mine or any others word for it.
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Unfortunately, too many people are not thinking for themselves. They are letting someone else do their thinking for them. Windows 10 is "free" and fancy, and all that. A false sense of security exists and a fundamentally flawed way of thinking that all of this data collection is somehow taking place with good intentions and innocuous is very dangerous. Sure, there are alarmists and conspiracy theories everywhere, but this is really serious stuff and if we don't pay close attention it has potential to end very badly.
If there were not underlying motives the upgrade would not be free, DX12 would be supported on Windows 7 and 8, and there wouldn't be a massive push for everyone in the world to be on Windows 10. The architects of this knew full well that their biggest battle would be the computer geeks and enthusiasts, and privacy advocates, so that may explain the DX12 "dangling carrot" and IoT, cloud connection, and convergence glitter part of their scheme. This was very methodically executed. Telemetry cannot be completely disabled because doing so would defeat the hidden agenda that nobody wants to believe might really exist. Maybe it doesn't, but the bigger question is whether or not it is worth the risk to find out. The potential for it to be used for evil cannot be denied unless we live in a state of denial.
If for no reason other than money, this scheme that has unfolded in front of our eyes should be a huge warning shot across our bough. Selfish, profit driven motives have been one of our greatest sources of corruption since the beginning of time. We've gradually become desensitized to the loss of privacy. The risk potential goes way beyond the dangers of identity theft and personal financial well-being. The potential for abuse by government and law enforcement, the total loss of anything that resembles anonymity and personal safety and right to privacy, and freedom are potentially exposed to disastrous consequences, and it may already be too late to correct our course here.
This is not a political thing by any means, but only the naive would not be able to smell a rat and see there is a hidden agenda of some sort... there has to be a catch, and the fact that it is not being questioned more should be really disturbing. We could be opening a door that can never be shut, and we may all live to regret the consequences. Smart people will ask themselves and take time to truly consider if it is really worth the risk. In light of all the controversy, and the undeniable risk associated with using it, my Windows 10 experience has to end before the 30-day trial period expires. It may not make any difference in the grand scheme of things, and the dissenters may wind up in the same dumpster as the Kool-Aid drinkers because nothing we do never do as individuals has no effects others. -
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Wow..this is just going way to far. I am going to have to find me a copy. Going to be a long day at work today. Maybe a good way to kill a few hours
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