Windows 10

This last month I been thinking on testing W10 again on an old W7 laptop I have sitting here but every week M$ comes out with something stupid and I just say to myself do I really want the headake ?? Thank you M$ for helping me decide...NO.

 

"tactics often used by spammers and malicious websites"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3014...like-tactics-to-trick-you-into-upgrading.html

 

So, Cortana... floating... mmm, nope. I don't think so.

That sounds like a digital form of demonic possession to me. I still don't have ANY updates on Windows 10... just as clean and fresh as the day I installed it, with no updates cancer added so far.

Once my M18xR2 is gone (I think I have all my Alienware stuff sold) and I am done with the review on the Sky X9, I am not planning to have Windows 10 installed on anything. I only have it installed on them for test purposes. Will be sticking with Windows 7/8.1 dual boot for the foreseeable future.

With all of the Clevo and Alienware LCD and motherboard damage being caused by it, and considering there is absolutely no discernible benefit to using this piece of crap OS... I personally think it is far too dangerous to justify taking a risk trying to use it, especially if the machine is out of warranty.

 

The only 2 reasons I am on it are:

a) Samsung 950 Pro, couldn't for the life of me figure out how to install Windows 7 on it

b) not having to deal with the constant nags / hunting down bad updates to avoid on Windows 7 and wanting to have the latest security updates

 

I have Windows 7 and 10 installed on 2.5" SSDs on this Sky X9 and only use the NVMe for games and data files. Startup is faster using regular SSD and overall system is more stable. NVMe is not ready for prime time... too many bugs. Samsung 950 also needs a firmware update from what I understand. I'm not having any issues at all with Windows 7, but I don't have to care about the security updates. I just block all updates on both OSes. I figure with Windows there is no such thing as security anyway, so why bother. I'm not even running any antivirus software any more, since all I do is run benchmarks, play games and visit the threads here and at Tech|Inferno, and I delete all emails without opening them unless they are from someone I know and contain something I recognize. Not much risk and I don't have to worry about the cure being worse than the disease.

 

I like their title too

"'Get Windows 10' prompt adopts malware-like tactics to lure you into upgrading"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3014...like-tactics-to-trick-you-into-upgrading.html

 

Microsoft apologizes
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...-less-than-perfect-experience-on-new-surfaces

That's fine, but when will they apoligize for turning the great Windows OS into ugly spyware (and trying to force people into it).

 

This is what M$ is hoping for. I heard that W10 is slowing down so they had to do something.

 

This really gives you an idea what kind of company M$ has turned into. Selling tablets/laptops with known problems. If I had spent upwards of $2500.00 for one of them and having that kind of problem and then to find out they new about this all along it would be going back for a full refund. I would never ever buy from them again.
Maybe they should just stick to making Operating Systems...wait a minute, silly me...forgot they can't even do that right.

 

and another reason as to why i don't use sleep or hibernation modes.

EDIT: does windows show a notification if the PC's power plan has been changed?

 

How about an big apology to all those with bricked laptop screens or all those who have been forced on useless drivers?

 

been running win 10 for just under 2 weeks and not an issue to be had.

 

Hmmm, I think it can, but since I always make the changes on my own I haven't really seen it since Power4Gear on Asus laptops - which is why I uninstall it - I don't want my power plan randomly changed.

Is Windows 10 randomly changing your power plan?

 

no, i want to change it for different uses. so one profile for rendering videos and another for general use/gaming.

 

Maybe I am missing the finer point of this, but wouldn't you manually switch profiles, if so then why would you care about Windows notifying you?

That's a good idea to create profile, group app/windows settings for each task - you could also set up the task scheduler to run it at certain times, or make a wrapper to set up the system as you like it when starting particular apps.

 

ok, i have created shortcuts and assigned them to macros on my keyboard. i want to get a notification that it has changed after pressing the macro.

 

If you have a PC or a smart phone with Win 10 Os does not matter... M$ ruining everything regardless of platform, HaHa. The engineers at M$ sucks as usual. The future looks black if Micro$oft continues to force on you useless patches/drivers you do not want You get a full day's work once per month to rescue your mother or father pc from destruction. This will be your duty long into the future, Ha Ha
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3015...s-10-mobile-update-after-users-hit-snags.html

 

You can use a cmd or powershell ise script to set up the steps for the macro, and use this to query the active power plan:

C:\Windows\system32>powercfg /GETACTIVESCHEME
Power Scheme GUID: 8c5e7fda-e8bf-4a96-9a85-a6e23a8c635c (High performance)

 

One more article about the MS 'up'grade plague, nice to see renowned publications writing about it.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-latest-windows-10-nag-screen-upgrade-now-or-upgrade-tonight/

 

Glad I installed GWX control panel on my wife's and parents' computers so they won't be bothered with those nag screens (and in turn nagging me regarding what to do about it).

 

Complete ownage. Reputation given, and if there's a "post of the year" , I'd vote for this to be it, if I wouldn't worship the work some users here invest into educating / helping others higher. Incredible. Thx and screen forwarded to all of my friends.

 

Great. I've gotten 3 answers on the screen 'til now.

#1: "NP, I installed Win 10 3 months ago. " I explained to him, what people are thinking about Win 10 and Microsoft currently, but as he's a pro, I trust him to know what he's doing. He agreed with me though, that the current behaviour of Microsoft trying to enforce Win 10 onto everybody, can be labeled as madness ^^ .
#2: "I'm running 10 for a long time already... Btw., how're your studies going? " Me giving an honest answer towards the question with the studies, and after that I wrote "I hope, you at least have modifyed Win 10, so that it doesn't scan your harddisk and submits info about all the files, and that you don't function as an update server for others" , because I know, that he doesn't read and inform himself very deeply about his OS, because he prefers to spend that time with gaming. His answer: "Wait, what? We need to telefone... " ^^

The best was #3 though: He's one of the best-hearted persons I ever got to know, and he just asked "And what shall I click? Now or tonight? Maybe upgrading is a good idea, who knows how long things will still work with Windows 7!" (FYI: He's tested and diagnosed as highly intelligent, so this isn't stupidity, but it only shows the trust and the belief in the good that some people have. I love him for being that way, which is why I wrote: )
"Dear <insert name> . Do you want to give me your salary now, or next week? And do you want to give me all of it again every month or every two months? Also, do you want to gift me your Porsche once you have it, or when it has aluminium wheels? Now plz don't be a pro and say no, because then, I have to ask you, if you're really sure about that, and if you answer yes towards that, I will have to ask you the same again every two weeks. I'll also recommend you to really do all of that. Maybe next time, I'll ask simpler, like "Do you want to improve" , and if you say yes, I let you sign, that I also get access to your flat, and I'll make you read the books to me that I need to read for university. Ofc., I do all of this because it's good for you and because I'm thinking how I can help you. You have money and mostly spend it on nonsense, better invest it in me, I'm the future! Also, Porsches are actually dangerous, better you don't have one, but as I don't wanna hold you off from buying one, I ask you when you want to gift it to me, and I even offer you two options, btw., which one do you want to take? And I only visit your flat, because I care about you. If I find anything in it that I like, I'll have the right to take it though, and if there's too much which I like, I just lock you out and take over your flat. You agree towards this, because you know that I have good intentions, or are me securing that you don't gather too many things or me making you to seek a better home not good? And with reading those books to me, you'll help me and I'll again help others, so you again do something good! Point is clear, right? My name btw. is Seraiel 10, and you can decide, whether I'm your friend, your best-friend, or your soul-friend. : ^^ .

The reason why I wrote this, was 1. that I found it funny, but what's more important, is, that we see, that helping others in this situation is actually really needed. All those three persons, are my age, so they grew up with computers, each of them uses his computer every day, they are no n00bs. If 2/3 non-n00bs have Win 10 already installed, and if the 3rd person thinks that installing Win 10 is a good idea, what do you think will your parents or the people you know that don't use computers heavily think and decide? Ofc. I have to guess, but I'd think that a normal person would click the "now" on that screen, because he'd fear to do something wrong. A normal person, sees Microsoft as an authority, and his / her thought could be "oh, if Microsoft offers those two options, then something must be severely wrong with the Windows I'm currently running. They don't even ask me whether I want to upgrade or not, they only leave me time 'til tonight, this must be some sort of emergency action, better I react to it as fast as possible" . This, it what makes me so angry. I'm not saying, that Microsoft calculated this, and expects this behaviour and takes advantage of it deliberately, but with all seriousness, the behaviour with which Microsoft enforces Windows 10 onto everybody, creates the duty for us, to at least write once to every person we care about. You can choose to do this, or choose "to spend 1d of work every month to repair their computer, after it got wrecked by an enforced driver-update" .

What really tops it though, is that I feel the need to write a disclaimer about this post. With nothing in this post, I wanted to create the belief, that Microsoft is stealing money, demanding people's property anything like that. What I wrote in the 3rd answer, is comedy, it's how I feel about Microsofts behaviour, and as everybody knows, every joke has a part of truth in it. This post and especially my guessing about how John Q. Public decides in that situation, should make any person from Microsoft that should read this, think deeply about the behaviour of his employer. In the case any question should arise from this, all of this is my opinion, and for none of this I can be judged.

 

Gees, are you competing for Long-Winded Creative Writing Essay of the Year Competition, or did you just ingest too much coffee and ritalin?! That was more painful than watching a Youtube instructional video on how to watch paint dry! Arghh! ;-)

 

lol, but some good points in there:

like "do you want the heart valve operation now or tonight" ;O) , not mentionning there'll be zero problems until after 2020 (or 2023)...

 

Yeah, had it since launch and it's been pretty smooth sailing to be honest on my Clevo P651SG.

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If you click the little arrow on the right side, more options are available

 

*sigh*
(...why don't they provide a normal button saying " no thanks, click for more options")

 

That would be way to easy.

 

They wouldn't be microsoft.:/ They would believe it's a sign of weakness to offer decline button.
It's funny that I am afraid to install Win10 on my 2-nd laptop before I get programmer for full BIOS chip backup because I afraid Win10 will mess with my BIOS... which originally it shouldn't do by any means because it's just an OS.

I am not afraid of installing Linux or Windows 7 at all.

 

I just realized that Parental Controls require your kids to have a Microsoft Account, that means an online account, they can't have a local one. WTF.

 

LOL, no way in heck I am signing into Windows using a Micro$h4ft account! It's like giving them your neck to slaughter at any time.

 

Microsoft ... Allowing parents to control their kids online activities even past their 30s since 2000.

 

And here, in *Simply Nadella*, watch the preparation of the next w10 update, code name 'Salted Tart'. ...let's add some telemetry, a few cups of spying, then a good dose of forced updates... ...mix it all together so no one really figures out what's in there...

Happy New Year.

 

One thing for sure hers will make me feel a lot better.

 

If I switch my w8.1 to a local account can I update to windows 10 and keep a local account? I do not want a microsoft nor skype account. If possible could I still use mail app without logging in to a microsoft account? I just want to set up gmail and work email in mail app I do not want an outlook account.

 

Yes, you can use Windows 10 with a local account.

No, you can´t use the mail app without a Microsoft account.

 

Is there a difference with the start menu shutdown vs cmd shutdown vs .NET shutdown?
On my test systems, noticed that I lost my "power on by" keyboard / mouse / cir / lan when I used the start menu shutdown. But it works fine if I used the latter.
The same configuration works fine in W8 and W7.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/3zeoca/samsung_magician_benchmarks_win81_vs_10/

My conclusion on switching back to 8.1

 

That didn't take long, already removed... maybe post it here and other places instead?

Spoiler

 

do you think this will ever change? I mean whatever happened to the Windows 10 is more suited towards newer hardware swiss cheese?

 

I meant they are supressing reports that don't favor Windows 10...

I don't have a clue what you mean

Windows 10 isn't more suited to anything right now.

Windows 10 is just trying to stay afloat and keep ahead of the catastrophic bugs introduced with each patch bundle - or new driver replacement that causes a failure after replacing the user installed manufacturer driver.

Not to mention the bad feelings MS is inducing in those constantly being bugged to upgrade to Windows 10, all while they are trying to enjoy the Windows 7/8 product they already paid to use. MS won't let people be.

The Swiss Cheese is what MS is making of their reputation with customers.

 

cxcx

What I meant was, after the lower performance in benchmarks in 8.1 vs 7, despite MS having had claimed that Windows 8 will be better than 7 because of better support for newer hardware, that didn't turn out to be true. Now same thing, Windows 10 claimed to have even better support for newer hardware, yet on the contrary, the benchmarks show that 10 is worse than 8 and 7.....

so what I asked you was, do you think this claim will ever hold true that one day we will see Windows 10 actually outperforming 8/7?

 

That's copy pasted from the reddit thread (derp... - will format it correctly later)

Spoiler

Hey guys,
I was wonderig about the speed differences between Win8.1 and Win10.

Personally I like the look and feel of Win10, but i wanted some proofs performancewise.

So, I tried myself, let's go.


Following hardware in use:


- MSI GT70 Laptop

- Intel core i7 3630QM

- Intel Graphics HD 4000

- nVidia GeForce GTX 675MX

- 8 GB RAM

- Samsung 850 Pro 256GB

With the following scenario:

(Both OS' were clean and freshly installed from a USB drive - No update, just the usual tweaks i do, will write them down)


- Windows 8.1 Enterprise x64 (No updates) with the following tweaks:

- Custom pagefile for drive C:\ (2GB - 4GB / SSD Drive)

- Disabled Windows Defender

- Disabled Computer protection for ALL drives

- Disabled pagefile / hibernation (cmd > powercfg -h off)

- Current / Compatible chipset drivers

- Current / Compatible VGA drivers (for both the Intel and nVidia card)

- With and without current / compatible Intel RST driver (will note which one was with and without RST)

- Optimized drive from defrag tool

- Samsung magician v4.9


Now Win10:

- Windows10 Pro x64 (No updates) with the following tweaks:

- Windows10 unfu_k

- Windows10 debloater

- Custom pagefile for drive C:\ (2GB - 4GB / SSD Drive)

- Disabled Windows Defender

- Disabled Computer protection for ALL drives

- Disabled pagefile / hibernation (cmd > powercfg -h off)

- Current / Compatible chipset drivers

- Current / Compatible VGA drivers (for both the Intel and nVidia card)

- With and without current / compatible Intel RST driver (will note which one was with and without RST)

- Optimized drive from defrag tool

- Samsung magician v4.9


Now, i will just post the screenshots from the tests:


Windows8.1 WITHOUT RST

Windows8.1 WITH RST

Windows10 WITHOUT RST

Windows10 WITH RST


So, for me Windows8.1 seems faster esepcially with the Rapid Storage Technology drivers.


PS: I suck at formatting, but still hope you can read this thread and understand what i wanted to show you.

Also reposted here now: https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/3zffsv/samsung_magician_benchmark_win81_vs_win10/

Let's see how long it will stay

 

Maybe you should ask Microsoft

 

There are so many variables in testing IO performance, and the simple single run you did using Samsung's Magician tool isn't a good comparison.

You need to prepare the file system being tested - make it empty / cleanly formatted / de-fragged, and as alike as possible between systems / OS installs. Making test runs using the same SSD booted under the OS's being compared would be the best.

Then make multiple runs, preferably using a benchmarking tool meant to average multiple runs - throwing out the outliers - and giving a good confidence in the repeatability of the results.

Those results you are showing aren't that far off, and can vary run to run due to vagaries in Windows and testing active file systems.

 

Uhm, it was the same SSD with the same System

Both, Windows8.1 and Windows10 were cleanly installed, no recovery, no backup, simply clean from USB. On both OS' i did the same quick "tweaks" to get the same condition, also i did 2 tests on every run, but only screenshooted the latest run.

For me it's pretty clear, but i still think it is because non-optimized drivers.

Also, we can see what Rapid storage technology can do to your SSD.

 

You are running the OS, applications, and background processes (services) on the same disk you are benchmarking... that's the problem.

You can't test the C partition/volume/disk, as it's constantly changing because it hosts the OS, the benchmark application, and all the system services (processes).

You are sharing the IO bandwidth between all those competing accesses... causing unpredictable variations in results.

 

Isnt it the purpose on testing? At least for some personal use (just shared my testing, it wasnt even some professional, also it may vary from system to system because of different/optimized drivers).

But:

Format SSD > Install Win10 > Benchmark

Format SSD > Install Win8.1 > Benchmark

Is the wrong way of doing so?

 

Re-read what I already said, and think about it some more... the key is to be able to recreate the results on demand, have repeatable results - and carry out multiple runs and average the results - then you have something to compare.

When you are running from fresh OS install, there are lots of processes active getting things organized, indexed, optimized, updated, and they run during keyboard idle - like while you are watching a long running benchmark

You are showing 1 run, probably the best on each, which are really above average, and trying to compare them - it's not a good comparison.

Professional or not, it's important to do a dilegent well thought out job, otherwise it's a waste of your time and ours, wait until you have something useful to share before posting.

That may be why it was deleted on Reddit - check the posting rules for that subreddit.

 

I have lower SSD benchmark scores in comparison to Windows 7 too. 4K QD1 on Crystal Disk Mark is 33MB/s on Windows 10 vs. 38MB/s on Windows 7 - it's been a very reproducible result over many different separate runs. I still like Windows 10 though, and even though SSD benchmark scores are lower it seems to open programs/documents faster & is a more snappy OS than Windows 7 I find.