Windows 10

KB 2670838 is part of the included install for either IE10 or IE11. If you do a search for the update it will be there with either IE version. This is why it is known as the evil hidden update from M$. Again this does not break all systems. A funny note is if you install Windows 10 on these broken systems it looks like the transparent tsk bar works where it does not with Windows 7 and the update.

 

so how to uninstall that update only then? or is that not a possibility if I had installed IE11 already?

 

If it breaks the system right now you have to uninstall the update but that then brings you to IE9. To date there has not been a true fix for the KB update. There are several suggested fix's but none I have found worked on my system. I think for those people the update had not broken Aero but some how it got turned off and not all services were set to automatic start.

As I had said, the transparent status bar in Windows 10 and IE 11 work fine on my P79xx so they could but do not fix it. Also proof is most systems with the update have 100% true Aero Glass with no issue. I can run WEI in 7 with IE 10 or 11 and get Aero graphics score of 6.8, so that even runs to completion.

So I apologize for getting off topic, but this is related to Windows 10 somewhat. The companies actions, by not caring for over 18 months, is showing they care nothing for even Windows 7 users wanting their Aero back!

 

Right, I never use IE anyway, can you tell me how to check if I have the issue or not? Heck I'd go back to the image before installing any Windows updates if I had to. How to verify if I have the issue or not?

I just saw this in Event Log Viewer, is this related:

 

If it is broken you will have no Aero at all, not even the task bar. I did not have it but some have reported it broke also Windows live mail and believe it or not the calculator. Some also report that WEI in Aero will not complete either.

Do a Google, or even ironically Bing, search on the issues. As far as that error, not that I am aware.

 

One thing that really irks me about Windows is how the 32-bit only allows a maximum of 4GB of RAM, but even then, only in the 32-bit OS does the system and igp take up so much extra memory compared to the 64-bit OS. On my computer, with 4GB of RAM installed there is only 2.93GB available with a 32-bit OS, while there is 3.9GB available with a 64-bit OS. Linux doesn't have this problem with 32-bits.

I don't care about Aero at all. In Vista I had all the Aero features disabled, so the GUI was pretty much XP, and I have most of them disabled in 7.

 

whoaaa man!! I had the issue where the WEI tests would never complete and I had no idea what's going on.

time for an image restoration, thanks a lot man

 

Nine is a lucky number in China, but China is very unlucky for Microsoft....

 

Windows 10 can only hope for the success of Windows 7 by being like Windows 7, not by challenging the user to learn more - to change their usage habits, but by playing to their comfort level.

Another innovative OS from Microsoft would be a bad move right now...

 

But if it's like Win7 all over again there's no point to "upgrade".

It's the same story with pretty much every popular prosumer software suit.

 

Mr.Koala, change means more work in the minds of most people. It isn't a selling point, it is a reason to not progress, to not change.

Everyone already has plenty of work to do.

Go Away Microsoft!!, we'll pay you to not make changes!

Microsoft Windows 10 Continuum To Switch Seamlessly Between Tablet and Laptop Modes
http://www.tabletpcreview.com/news/...tinuum-switch-seamlessly-tablet-laptop-modes/

 

I just realized that this thread was started by WhatsThePoint. Microsoft is probably thrilled that this thread looks like:

Windows 10
Started by WhatsThePoint

Yeah, I didn't get this until recently. I used to be using alphas and betas of Firefox and all sorts of other cutting-edge stuff. Now that I've got a day job and am managing all of my own stuff, I pretty much just want my computer to work. Sure, cool new features are nice. But I don't re-install Windows every year anymore. There's better things to do in my free time. And those pop-ups about Java updates being available and whatnot... for the most part I'd rather not be bothered by it. It's slightly better than junk mail, but updating Java isn't my idea of great fun anymore (except to the Java 8 betas last winter, because those had cool new features).

 

In the past, Microsoft had bypassed this by allowing power users, admins, and even everyday normal users to just remove the new features or look by unchecking a check box.

For business, your admin simply changed policy to make it look like the previous version of windows and turn of all the bells and whistles.
For power users there were registry keys or unsupported power tools that even put back old features if you wanted them.
For normal users, there were checkboxes to do some of these things and especially the most obvious.

Ask yourself just how much better off Win 8 would have been if they let the users turn off "formerly-known-as-metro" mode.
Gee whiz you'd have Windows 10 as it sits right now almost.

 

You can get 3rd party software to do this.

 

This is the biggest issue; Third party apps to do everything by either adding or subtracting features. Users and IT want an OS/UI that out of the box can give them all they need and require. They want a PC that they can integrate with and them go to an office out of state, even a different companies system, and be totally familiar with. Once you loose the standard you loose way more than you at first would think.

They have a start here at reestablishing a (new) standard. This need to be a UI that requires no addons to accomplish better desktop functionality of any other Windows UI. If they do not listen and do it right this time a lot of users will be in the "fool me once and then fool me twice" category.

 

Yeah, out-of-the-box is a huge plus, even if it's an option within the main system. The barrier to people learning how to get what they want is lower, you don't have issues of "can I trust this 3rd-party program I've never heard of?", etc. 3rd-party customization is nice to have - see Firefox addons - but not everyone is that into it.

I definitely fall in the "fool me once, shame on you, fool you twice, shame on me" category, although in my case it was Vista that was the first time. On the whole I'm still a big Microsoft fan given all they've done over the years, but it has made me very cautious with newer Windows OSes. So as it is, one of my friends in Seattle is telling people that of all the people he knows, the one who is the biggest Microsoft fan (me) is still running XP. And it's kind of true.

 

KernalPanic, yup, I can't tell if Microsoft knew this and tried to push ahead a little again with Windows 8, or they just figured it out and went back to base with Windows 10.

 

Merging Mac's UI with the Linux kernel sounds like a lot of work for nothing.

The people they are targeting probably have no idea what "meh" means here.

I'm thinking that MS might want to switch to an subscription-based model in which you have to pay yearly or so. This way income is decoupled from those attention-grabbing major releases we see now.

 

Had run it long enough on the P79. While it is still awkward, to be polite, it is more usable than Windows 8.x out of the box. I can see consumers taking to it more readily but business will be far behind in its current state. So they have hit a ground ball now lets see if they can make it to first base.

 

If you want to see people jump ship from Microsoft, just wait until they need to sign up for a MS subscription with their new laptop purchase.

In some cases a subscription model works out well. I was a little leery of it at first, but my dad is very happy with it and Adobe products. He now automatically updates to the latest software as soon as it comes out, and he ends up paying less money every year to keep his software up to date.

For something like the OS, I just don't see that working. Microsoft would love that, with each PC user in the world paying a fee every year and all or almost all upgrading to the latest MS OSX version when it comes out. They would also love it for all of us to only use the formerly known as metro interface and purchase all of our software from the MS app store. They have been facing tons of resistance to this since the release of Windows 8 two years ago, but they will continue trying until it either works or people are using other operating systems or devices that bypass Microsoft entirely.

Or people will just do it like they do in China, and keep installing pirated versions of Windows XP on everything. Either way, Microsoft doesn't win.

 

Switching to a subscription scheme does not introduce inherit limitations on OS version/updating, UI style or distribution of 3rd party apps, neither does it prevent the use of OEM licensing.


A brand new laptop could easily have a OEM subscription that lasts a few years, either counting from the time of purchase of from the first time the machine was booted. The OEM OS install would still run just fine out of the box. Once the subscription runs out, the customer can switch to a retail license or renew it somehow via the hardware vendor's service. Imagine a laptop advertised as "standard 2 year warranty, MS Windows 8 with 2 year subscription". That sounds reasonable to me.

A subscription plan could provide access to any version of the Windows OS currently supported without disturbing the existing way of OS release or update. Let's say you get yourself a two year "Home Premium" level subscription tomorrow, for the following two years you would be able to activate anything from Vista to Win10 preview, provided the version of install (by vendor or by yourself) does not go beyond Home Premium (or whatever equivalent MS decides). If you're running Win10 and Win11 comes out, you can decide whether to upgrade or not. As long as your current version is not unsupported yet (like XP is now), you can stay where you are if you like. The choice of desktop/Metro UI style or app distribution channel is not affected for any given version of Windows.

As for Chinese people (or people from any other country) pirating Windows, I don't see how switching to subscription scheme would encourage them to pirate more than they already do. People who really don't want to pay for software will not pay anyway, and people who are over the fence might be more willing to pay due to the lower cost up-front.

 

Build 9860 available now

PC Settings>Update And Recovery>Preview Builds

also

If you're using Win10TP, you can check for a new build and download it.
To download the build you press the start button (winkey)
and then search for "Windows Update Settings" (modern UI app)
You then click the Preview Builds tab.

 

I like Office 365 as 5 desktop (including Mac) and 5 mobile licenses to the software gives me flexibility, along with 1 TB of cloud storage. Since you can buy cards with a license key, it's easy to renew for far less than what MS wants to charge. Amazon is selling them right now for $63 and change, which is a tremendous value.

 

They didnt do away with that 8 junk, but it seems you can access the old look easier

 

MS just "push" the update to me, god damn full screen prompts.........

Oh, and it was when I running a screen calibration.

 

Inventing your own subscription plan and saying that it sounds reasonable might not work for some people. Microsoft has also positioned themselves with the "formerly known as Metro" interface, their app store, and a subscription model for their software as the future of their company. They aren't going to keep going on with Windows 95 to Windows 7-like operating systems because it is a dwindling market. Computers are used a lot less and last a long longer than they used to.

You don't think that subscriptions running out would encourage pirating? Anyone who currently and has in the past bought a new computer bundled with Windows has had the ability to use that license for the life of the computer. The vast majority of users never have any incentive to pirate the OS because their computer already has it. But then if everyone's computers became unusable because the subscription ran out, you would have a lot of people out there who would want to run Windows but not want to pay.

 

I don't like subscribtion model as a customer but believe it is fair model... if:
1. I can buy laptop/desktop without artificial limitations against all other OSes like Windows 7;
2. Windows 10 will be a top OS which I could dream about as improved Windows 7... not that 8-ish cr@p.

 

Then you are missing the point of the idea completely

That might invite the people that are afraid to do Windows updates to not pay for the subscription to get updates, stopping Microsoft's income and assuring a wide and growing field of insecure PC's without security updates.

If it is already tough to get people to do regular Windows updates to protect their PC's, how is charging them an annual or recurring subscription fee a good idea?

 

You either pay or loose support or become pirate. these difference may lead to 2 start packets.

 

If M$ were to base the OS as strictly subscription it would spur on more other OS machines. If there no longer is the so called Windows Tax, at first purchase, then what is to stop consumers from just loading Linux or some other OS right from the get go? So I say go ahead, put another nail in that coffin.

 

TANWare, mostly because Linux won't do what 99% of Windows users want to do on their Windows Desktop - keep doing the same thing without change.

If Microsoft can't get people comfortable with simple UI improvements on Windows OS, how do you expect those same users to migrate to a new OS, use new applications, and happily deal with new problems?

 

In my opinion, the user interface differences between Ubuntu, OSX, and Windows 7 are less than the interface differences between Windows 7 & Windows 8. I agree that most customers want same-ness as much as possible, but when rival operating systems have a higher degree of same-ness than a newer version of Windows, those rivals become much more appealing. Windows 10 is an attempt to regain some of the same-ness from Windows 7 and previous in order to stop or slow the shift to other options.

 

To get this discussion somewhat more back into the mainstream, here's an interesting assessment from Digitimes:

I agree with that last statement, at least based on what is shown in the current preview. There's really no good reasons to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Of course, if you're (suffering) on Windows 8.x, that's a different matter, but given its minimal market share that's not much help.

 

Windows 10 licensing agreement is somewhat on topic but at this point is only speculative. Getting back to facts that, other than the time limit of support, 10 offers no real advantages yet over 7. This is the reason for my statement I do not just want a version of Windows 7 again but an improvement in the desktop area. To give us though 7 again would help new DTR and desktop machine sales furthering market saturation. So it would be somewhat of a help to the consumer market.

 

They will see a lot of differences once they start using Mac, Linux desktop or any other replacement though.

 

This is the sad truth of it all no real user improvements under the O/S that would make it really meaningful for everyday users. Until they really listen to what 7 was suppose to be or evolve to then they will never improve their market share or dominance.

 

They are already the monopoly. There isn't much to improve, only to lose.

 

Not if Apple/Linux has anything to say about that...Monopoly would mean there was no Apple/Linux O/S or Chrome out there...so your use of the wording is false..and not rooted in reality...

 

Even though Chrome OS is pretty much only useful for those who are completely computer illiterate. Anyone with a brain is better off with Windows/Mac/Linux + Browser of choice, which can be chrome.

Note: I'm not bashing Chromebooks, they are great hardware for the price! But put linux on them FFS...

 

About time! Now please add .flac support.

 

I hate the current taskbar! I just finished installing the latest version (9879), and just like in the first version I'm forced to either combine taskbar buttons, or have labels on them. Registry changes dosen't work anymore like in W7 and W8.

This is a dealbreaker to me, just as much as the Start Page in W8 is to others.

Have I missed some setting here, or maybe a new registry entry? Hopefully it will be changed in the final version...

 

For anyone that is like "oh wow cool, direct DL!"... this is the.. 32-bit version.

/sigh.

 

Honestly, I have idea what it is... I would search it on the Internet, but I doubt it will give me the correct answer...

 

LOL, here you go.

Edit: Anyway, links are blocked, they worked this morning.

 

Downloading now thorough PC setting- update - preview builds,

ehh Microsoft, mind tell me how far you done from finish downloading, maybe a percentage? please



Edit: and more swirling , come on... 2014 it is



New pin to home.. eh,

What is the difference between favorite and home then...?

 

The "Home" thing is a *nix/OS X thing (right down to the house icon) that I guess is going to be a Windows thing now. Tho the giant blue pushpins make it annoying to look at and stuff seems to be accessible from everywhere slightly differently so it's kinda goofy. I'm sure there is a "good" way to do what they are trying to do, and maybe they are just throwing ideas at the wall (en masse) and seeing what sticks. I'd be happy with Favorites, Home (no pushpins), and maybe "Media" for all of those media libraries Win8.1 tries to jam in "This PC".

 

AnandTech has a new preview up. Of all the changes, the cmd.exe ones still sound the most exciting to me, and are definitely overdue. I did learn about 8.1 supporting different resolution scaling on different monitors from the review though, and that also sounds like a nice feature. I could use that at work where I have a 15.5 and a 22" monitor with the same resolution, and it'd be nice to have 125% scaling on the 15.5", but not nice enough to switch from 100% scaling on the 22".

Too many uses of the word "app" in the review, though. Real, highly-functional programs either call themselves programs, applications, or executables. "App" is for small playthings of applications, typically found on phones. Although on a more serious note, I'm still very much skeptical of the whole RT runtime thing. As a developer, unless I'm writing a program specifically for a touch interface, I'm still not sure why I'd write for it. Over half the Windows userbase can't use it, non-Windows users can't despite it being called "universal", and you still have to write a separate UI for each form factor. If I'm looking to write something that scales without writing separate UIs, a responsive web framework would likely make sense; if I want something that is actually "universal", I'll either use .NET for all Windows versions, or C++ or Java for cross-platform. And commercially, non-Windows-store distribution without an Apple tax (30%) is a nice plus, too.

I must second killkenny's recommendation of native FLAC support. That's the type of thing that could make a real difference. If Windows came with that built-in, and significant numbers of people adopted a version of Windows with FLAC support, it could gain significant momentum over mp3 for music downloads. As it is now, only small-scale sites catering to music enthusiasts offer FLAC downloads.

I should also point out that AnandTech was wrong about not being able to make cmd.exe wider horizontally in Windows 7. You can do so, at least as far back as XP, it's just buried in the configuration options.

 

After build update, my IE shortcuts are completely gone for whatever reason.. shows in turn on and off features...

And the start menu still sucks compare to start is back, come on microsoft...

 

Microsoft Windows is a product of Monopoly. If there would be no Linux/Mac OS then it would be Perfect Monopoly.

Ooops. Didn't look at the date. And quick edit needed.

 

This is true only in the most basic aspect of the wording. The scaling can be different per monitor, but the user has no control over it. The user chooses scaling on (1) monitor, then Windows controls how the scaling will show up on the other ones. Since screen size is not taken into account, this typically results in things being scaled badly. If you have, say, a 3K laptop 15" screen, and a 27" 1440p screen, no matter how you tweak the DPI, one will always be too big or too small.