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    Windows 10

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by WhatsThePoint, Sep 30, 2014.

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    unsupported!=incompatible...
     
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    MS is hoping enough people think that is the case, so they are "forced" to upgrade to Windows 10.

    Another Mind Game :)
     
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    Will ever Vulkan API come to masses ? , All my hope is on that...
    I can't take anymore of this dirty games from M$, they are simply trying to be like Apple which is not possible at all, this new M$ is an abomination tbh !!

    The Win X is a genocide for PC. Hope this ends soon in some way or the other, fingers crossed...
    Else all other tech mafia giants will follow the similar path of draconian hell...
     
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    What you see with win X is the future. Quite dark :p Maybe even worse.
     
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    Well, intrinsically, nothing is stopping MS from modifying Windows 7 with all capabilities of Windows 10 (minus the UI and start menu).
    Could be seen as Service Pack 2.
    It was merely stated that it might present some additional problems (operational word being 'might').
    Translation, they likely don't want to bother doing that since their goal is to 'encourage' as many people as possible to get Windows 10 instead.

    Now, personally, newer software can be better, and I can see certain advantages to Windows 10 so as to avoid too much time lingering on outdated software and code, however, the blatant inclusion of 'apps' and loads of other useless things, not to mention intricate changes to UI, and blatant spying... seems, a giant 'no no'.

    Granted, we can deal with most of those things if we personally modify the OS to behave in the manner we want, but realistically, MS shouldn't force people into using that kind of setup from the get go... an option to include a standard UI that looks like Windows 7 for example, without the apps and all the spying would have been better.

    Also, how does this relate to Linux?
    I mean, the hardware is likely to work on it... unless they only make it Windows compatible... meaning that it would refuse to run under say Linux?
    I find it unlikely that the hardware wouldn't work under Windows 7... what seems more likely is that optimizations for Win 7 are probably something they won't bother with.
     
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    There's a way to get Win10 installed like Win7 UX...

    Get Win10 Enterprise N LTSB use a third party Windows editors and strip off all the BS (Metro store, Telemetry etc), say goodbye to TH2 and other feature upgrades, I just don't get what are those feature updates vs the before TH2 WinX (More powerful spying , forcing the bloatware maybe.. :p)

    But it needs to be from the MDL, darker approach (100% justifiable since we all know the way these corporations work is unfathomable) ;)

    Eventually I may end up with Win7 like windoze x.. :cool:
     
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    I'd say I've fixed my problems with my CPU...

    This is my system vs a 4790K w/ 2 980s in SLI. Note that my machine beats Futuremark's reference platform for both physics and combined tests. My graphics score is only 12.3% off in total from the two 980s in SLI. Not a bad show for stock 980Ms.

    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/10843912/3dm11/9879250

    Here is my Windows 10 vs my highest 3DMark 11 bench with a 980M OC vs the Futuremark reference

    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/10843912/3dm11/9569354/3dm11/9879250

    My 4GHz Windows 10 machine is knocking out a 4.4GHz 4790K on Windows 8.1.

    I also set two personal records on HWBOT for the XTU benchmark.

    4.1GHz - 944 marks http://hwbot.org/xtu/analyze/3104899?recalculate=true
    4GHz - 873 marks http://hwbot.org/xtu/analyze/3104902?recalculate=true

    I also beat my record in Catzilla.

    cat.PNG

    I'd have to say I'm pretty happy with Windows 10 at this point. Spying has been blocked with DWS (be careful with this one), O&O Shutup 10, and Spybot Anti-Beacon and I've disabled automatic driver updates. I'm even running the 361.43 drivers that caused so many problems and I hadn't seen a TDR until today when I was tapping things too fast in Steam's Big Picture mode. lol.
     
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    This is something I would install and even pay for. Come on M$...give us a choice.
     
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    Technically, they do allow you to pay for something kinda similar. You can buy Windows 10 Enterprise and customize it as stated in earlier posts. You just need a minimum $1250 investment to get 5 licenses.
     
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    RIP Halo & Cortana. Thank you M$ for being an idiot.
     
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    Is Windows photo viewer able to view png files, it works with jpg but not png?

    John.
     
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    Exactly. This is nothing new, its just coming to the desktop. None of this stuff is new to anyone who has been using a smartphone.
     
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    anyone had the occasional glitch where the start button wouldn't appear when clicked?
     
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    Google Now doesn't access your local disk and read anything they want. Google Now doesn't listen to through your microphone, access your camera, capture your keystrokes, monitor your network traffic, when you aren't using it.

    When Google Now isn't running, you can do other things on your computer without Google Now reporting all the activities on your computer collected through telemetry and sent back to remote servers 24/7.

    Google Now can be uninstalled/disabled on your smartphone, you can stop using it and remove it from your Google Account, stopping further abuse.

    Windows 10 OS runs all the time your computer is on, no matter what you do. Turn on your computer, and MS is there with their eye's and ears on you, your actions, and your files.

    Get a clue guys, you can't win, MS owns you and all you do while Windows 10 is installed, on YOUR computer. It's not like you don't have a choice, you can uninstall Windows 10 and install a different OS.

    You agreed to let MS snoop on all you do on your computer when you agreed to the MS EULA required to install Windows 10. It's quite clear.

    If you have something someone wants, and likely you will have no clue who or what that might be, MS or someone they partner with is going to figure out a way to pocket a dime on it. That free OS cost money to develop and support, someone must pay for it.

    MS is going to make all they can off of you and what you do, no matter the consequence to you and those around you.

    Uninstall Windows 10 :)
     
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    Rant, rant, rant. I'm not in the mood to get into it again.
     
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    Glad to be of assistance to you Ethrem.

    I'm not in the mood to give up on you, or the others asleep at the wheel :cool:
     
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    I don't use Google now for all my life but I use Windows.
    You recall me a guy from country X who don't get about furious people from country A where government forced actions Z. This guy says that actions Z are quite common in his country X. And even some A-citizens like it because live in both countries oftenly.

    But the problem is that most typical A-citizens couldn't care less about what people with already bented mentality say.

    If you have troubles understanding abstract categories: lets say USA allowed sea forces to fully inspect ships including copying and storing all digital information, even home video, from laptop on the ship. No way! - say american.
    Why not?!! In our country pirates take whole ships, not just information! - says somebody who arrived from Somalia.
     
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    I finally upgraded to Windows 10 and i really dont see anything special about it whatsoever. Most of the new features are just plain useless and annoying and i lost the snappy feeling i had with windows 8.1. Im still tweaking all of the settings and ofc disabling of the spying crap from it thanks to the NBR community!. Its been hell finding the right drivers for my laptop because the ones that Windows 10 installed are kinda buggy. Im planning to go back to Windows 8/8.1 in a week or two anyways so im just gonna stick it out until then.
     
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    You think organized forced taking of private information is a 1st World problem?

    You are busy fending off "real" pirates in the 3rd World so you don't have time to worry about "information pirates" taking your privacy away?

    Who do you think told the pirates where and when your ship is sailing, it's current location, the compliment of personnel and defensive equipment?

    The Information Pirates :cool:

    Welcome to the Global Problem: 1st/2nd/3rd World, the Whole World. :cool:
     
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    It doesn't matter if it makes sense :)

    Apparently MS believes people don't even think about it in any depth.

    MS is using keywords and time limits and implied doom to herd more unwary users into the Glass Bowl known as Windows 10.

    MS needs fodder for their new $1 Trillion of datacenters.

    MS needs to get their % of demographical populations up high enough to offer relevant product - our information - to the market.

    60 seconds of quiet contemplation to unravel what MS really said, and it's clear that the MS proclamation means nothing.

    Skylake runs Windows 7/8.1, some features only work in Windows 10, nothing important enough to worry about.

    Now MS is going to "go out of their way" to keep bug fixes and security patches from Windows 7/8.1 owners - who paid good money for the Windows 7/8.1 license and a brand new Skylake computer - but only if providing those bug fixes on Windows 7/8.1 causes problems in Windows 10...?

    When I read what MS said, I think MS will port all shared Bug fixes and Security patches to Windows 7/8.1, and Windows 10.

    The only bug fixes that wouldn't make it in to Windows 7/8.1 would be for features only offered on Windows 10.

    You see how those slimy spin doctors can take the obvious and make it sound bad and ominous?

    What MS did was stating the obvious in a way to manipulate the unwary into moving thoughtlessly to Windows 10.

    Don't help MS make their numbers. If they fail, noone else will try.
     
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    MS needs to stop trying to be like Apple. They need to start being like MS, that's what people liked about Windows, an OS for power users. Not an MS fanboi wannabe of their competitor.
     
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    I guess I can dance on their phone bones now. That's what I expected when saw one doomed company (because Windows 8) to buy another doomed company (Nokia) which was too Nokiish in phones. Nokia did not follow trend expecting people will always choose metal in phone's case instead of usability in phone's OS. Maybe they would if Nokia's OS would not be as dumb and dull as rock. I saw it's going down after buying Sony-Ericsson phone (K750) and saw how much I can do with it.
     
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    Now that redmond M$'s Redstone is being released to fast ring users, did any one running insider happen to test this new so called service pack type update ?? Is it any better over TH2 ?

    So far only one LTSB has been made to MSDN, pre TH2 only....but the best Windows 10.

    The Virus is spreading very rapidly :p .
     
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    Although only a matter of short time before it does carry more percentage than Win8+Win8.1! Anyone know when & what the first DX12 game coming out is gonna be, I'm looking forward to running one of those?
     
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    A matter of time - true, but it will take months. I personally think, the only meaningful result which can make influence would be the day when Windows 7 drops below 50%. It's when MS fanboys start calling Win7 users as a dinosaurs and pre-XXI Century citizens.
    And the next date when Windows 7 + XP lowers below 50%. Then the time will be close to Doom. Doesn't matter if enthusiasts will be on Linux by that time or not, it will be still not enough.
     
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    It'll take years for that to happen unless MS increases their scare tactics to Win 7 users to upgrade to 10, even so users that still on Win 7 and XP are already sending MS a clear message that you shouldnt change things thats not broken like removing the start menu, making a 2nd useless control panel when the original one is still useable and better and other changes they made that users didnt like. It makes me cringe that MS fanboys are calling Win 7 users dinosaurs when its still a modern OS.
     
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    Oh ... don't remind me of the Control Panel and the Settings in WinX.

    Control Panel is somewhat broken for those who actually use the advanced settings as its visually there but not respected in WinX.
    The Settings is too basic to be useful.

    Thank goodness, the manual cmd/ps equivalent commands still work.
     
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    The control panel is on its way out. Microsoft will transfer more and more settings to the Settings app with future versions, so in the end there will be one location for all settings once again.

    Which has already happened according to Statcounter: http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201601-201602-bar
     
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    Microsoft now includes details of what the updates do:

    Windows 10 Update History

    My build has just been updated to build 10586.104
     
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    Latest Win10 build needed an update which contained almost 2x times more security fixes than original July Win10 branch. Another proof of whatever Microsoft improves in Wiin10 it just worthens OS even more. What a talent!
    1. They "revealed" updates info after all they needed to change was already changed.
    2. How can we know that marketing update info will contain truth, only truth?..
    P.S. I edited post. Initially I thought that even amount of bugfixes was bigger on newest build.
     
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    Search sends info (when clicking 'search my stuff') even with things (seemingly) all turned off.
    Any explanation ?
     

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    ref #2591, search related data transfer to a-msedge.net, findings so far, oo shutup does not stop it, Spybot Anti-Beacon has a 'Bing IPs' that does the job.

    Anyway, the point is, nothing related to local search on the pc should trigger any activity related to ms when 'Online search' (and OneDrive) is set to off, or.... ?
     

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    The Aegis block/unblock hosts scripts also block the bing and other more commonly used MS sites, not just the telemetry sites.

    The main Aegis script is for Windows 7/8, but maybe the block/unblock site scripts can be used for Windows 10.

    Aegis for Windows 7/8.x - Block all known Microsoft spying and Windows 10 upgrade elements
    https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510

    The aegis.cmd is a run once script, the block.cmd is a run every boot script - host blocking - with unblock.cmd to undo it without rebooting.

    I haven't tried the WIP version yet...

    The block/unblock scripts might be useful on Windows 10 to add more blocking of sites, maybe add those to your router to block all connections might be more effective.

    DWS also has a list of hosts additions and firewall blocks, which can be pulled from the source code:

    https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying
     
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    0.0.0.0 a-0001.a-msedge.net in hosts does block it, no problem there.
    But for a standard user, choosing to set online search related w10 options to off, " search my stuff" should be local, not " send search entries stuff to msedge.net" ?
     
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    Department of Defense to upgrade 4 million devices to Windows 10

    "The U.S. Department of Defense's Secretary of Defense is directing all DoD agencies running legacy Windows versions to standardize on Windows 10 and deploy it starting immediately.

    The DoD's goal is to upgrade approximately "4 million devices and systems" by February 2017"
     
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    w10 Home with all telemetry enabled ? ('cause we all know there is no privacy problem with w10). Will surely 'enhance the user experience' when sending drones and fighters around the world.

    :O)
     
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    Yes, MS will want to help with Telemetry, monitored to ensure a satisfactory customer experience. :eek: :rolleyes: o_O
     
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    Cutting edge adoption of new technology and software can be troublesome.

    Software glitches leave Navy Smart Ship dead in the water
    By Gregory Slabodkin
    Jul 13, 1998
    https://gcn.com/Articles/1998/07/13/Software-glitches-leave-Navy-Smart-Ship-dead-in-the-water.aspx
     
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    Years ago, F22 Raptors crossed international date zone flying to Japan and ooops, navigation went out and brought down other systems like comms, fuel systems etc. Lucky for them they were flying with tankers and tankers brought them back to Hawaii. Ship you can wait for help to tow, jets in the middle of the ocean, without navigation, fuel data on their own, would almost for sure had to ditch, if it wasn't for the tankers, it would be close to 1 billion $ loss in one shot.
    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f22-squadron-shot-down-by-the-international-date-line-03087/
    So I give MS benefit of doubt, some of those might be just glitches, but good to know somebody is watching it.
     
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    New Windows 10 Milestone to be released soon with enhanced security:

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