Windows 10

Urgh I hope they keep the control panel or at least make a good job of including it in the settings... It does seem like they're trying to move in the direction of a 'Modern' 'beautiful' UI while also appeasing people who are used to the classic control panel. I'd be pretty happy with a single setting window and a choice between "Classic" and "Modern" interface. Currently it's pretty dire and just doesn't have half the settings you need.

 

I'd be happy with ditching Control Panel in favor of Settings...

...as long as Microsoft ports all the featutes of Control Panel to Settings and doesn't require visiting 2 or more places to adjust common settings. It's exceedingly annoying to me that in Windows 8 and 10, there's a big mess between what's in Control Panel, what's in Settings, and what overlaps partially or completely. This also causes nightmares in Search, since even when Windows recognizes what you're looking for, it will list multiple seemingly identical listings which you have to use process of elimination to figure out which is where and what they actually do!

 

Yes, if providing both then the scope of functionality needs to be identical between the two of them.

 

But they don't want to...that's why CP is better

 

But we also don't get a choice (aside from staying with Windows 7 until 2020). I can understand partial transitions in user interface to get people used to design changes (for instance, if the Windows 8 UI looked like Windows 10 does, there wouldn't have been nearly the same amount of backlash on release). But partial transitions in central functions from one organizational system to another in a released product are damaging. And continuing to have multiple ways to ostensibly control these central functions while failing to have any kind of official documentation or training regarding which settings are where and how they need to be accessed increases confusion instead of preparing users for upcoming changes. The current dual control panel/system settings model is broken.

 

Rise Of The Tomb Raider DX12 Vs DX11 AMD Fury X Frame Rate Comparison

Spoiler

Jump to the end for the Benchmark results.
66.95 DX12 FPS is a lot lower than 80.06 DX11 FPS on the same GPU

 

That. Was. GOLD!

 

Microsoft pushes back Windows 7 and 8 on Skylake support cut-off date from 2017 to 2018

http://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...ylake-support-cut-off-date-from-2017-to-2018/

 

I'm surprised MS gave in so quickly, they must have gotten huge negative feedback to retract their BS so quickly.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...ylake-support-cut-off-date-from-2017-to-2018/

"Instead of cutting off full, extended support for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 on Skylake on July 17, 2017, Microsoft will now guarantee full extended support to July 17, 2018 on the set list of devices it provided in February."

It's still BS, MS should be supporting 7/8.1 for an extended time period, not shortened in any way. We need somewhere to work outside of the ever changing Windows 10 mess.

Windows 10 UI is *still* being developed, on the backs of people trying to use their computers, for business or personal use, the continual changes are going to RAMP UP... check this out:

"You are all gonna FREAK OUT": Microsoft program managers tease new Windows 10 features
http://www.neowin.net/news/you-are-...rogram-managers-tease-new-windows-10-features

"Finally getting to play with new #Windows10 features. You are all gonna FREAK OUT when you see this
— Rich Turner (@richturn_ms) March 16, 2016


Microsoft Thinks Windows 10 Redstone Will Blow Your Socks Off
http://www.windows10update.com/2016...windows-10-redstone-will-blow-your-socks-off/

"These features (I know what this is because I'm helping) are going to CHANGE EVERYTHING. No joke. You can't even.

— Scott Hanselman (@shanselman) March 17, 2016"


What is it with MS?, can't they get Windows 10 UI straight after all these years, get the OS stable and working, and just let us use it??

WTF is up with this constant UI changes?

Most people get used to their work flow, businesses train their employee's and this constant *useless* UI changes disrupts everyone's productivity.

Just a bunch of non-functional "improvements" that don't amount to ****, while the rest of the OS, drivers, etc unfixed bugs and functional problems continue to increase.

People don't care that you can change things MS, they want their computers to work the same day after day, and be reliable - every minute they waste dealing with your **** is another minute they have to stay that day to get their work done.

Stop doing this MS, just stop.

 

The Win7 was the only OS which was full RTM eligible, 8 was a disaster took many updates and settled at 8.1, 10's constant changes channel is such b$ they released an LTSB and after that a ton of updates, even this TH1 is EOL now, TH2 will also be EOL once RS1 comes. WTF is this stupid strategy really they have a stable base of 7 or 8.1 yet they screwed up on a grand scale, They should take time and release a proper stable Win10 with Aero

 

Isn't support for Win 7 until 2020? If so, how can they end support for newest processor now? They should either don't support Skylake from the beginning, or support it to the end. Of course they can do whatever they want, but they get a lot of negative feedback from consumers lately. They create vacuum, if somebody with enough weight steps in, the tide could turn against them. Does IBM still makes computers? Does Nokia still makes phones (thanks in large part to MS BTW). I think MS does everything to put themselves out of business, but they're so clueless, they probably will fail at this as well.

 

I agree, support for the latest processors could be added into a Service Pack for Windows 7 and it would fix all the issues with updating at the same time. Service Packs reset the update clocks as they did with XP and it worked well IMHO.

I do hope MS are reading and taking this feedback because they've definately taken the wrong direction lately.

As Francis so eloquently put it "Windows 7 was a joy to use!"

 

Looks like they changed their mind:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10167/microsoft-extends-skylake-support-on-windows-7-and-windows-81

 

Mostly because they want every computer to have Win 10 since its their final OS while leaving Win 7 and 8.1 behind no matter how much people dont like it. Ever since Windows 8, MS has been changing things thats not broken and made it worse and now they keep changing the UI and its like WTF are they thinking. I really think they dont listen to their customers at all and sadly we soon will have no choice but to have Win 10 as our OS unless people wanna move to Mac or Linux.

 

"Windows 7 is a joy to use." Amen to that.

 

"What is not changing is the stance on future hardware. When the latest AMD and Intel processors are released, they will only be supported on Windows 10. But at least this policy is laid out ahead of time, instead of them changing the policy half way through support. Pray they don’t alter it any further."

So, no "Kaby Lake" for me

I wonder if Intel will reclassify the "Kaby Lake" CPU's to "Skylake", and thumb their noses at Microsoft?

If true Microsoft is going back on their contractual promise to Fully support Windows 8/8.1 till January 9, 2018. New hardware support is included in Full Mainstream Windows OS Support!

New hardware support *should* be included in Extended Windows OS Support as well. It has in the past, and should continue.

Windows lifecycle fact sheet
Last updated: January 2016
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Sheesh, Microsoft's website won't allow https connections:
https://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Spoiler

FF just updated to 45.0.1

Same for IE 11

 

I can accept the layout of W10, but for me it still feels unstable and buggy. Explorer.exe have crashed twice on my new laptop with a clean install.
A bit tempted to try out W8.1...

 

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/micro...ync-overlay-multigpu-support-win32-converter/
http://wccftech.com/uwp-vsync-fix-coming-overlay-modding-eventually-allowed/

I think they want to monetize like that Valve's Skyrim disaster through a mod store eventually and pay for them, I see only that from the draconian $ corporation. Plus how modding is possible without exe's ? only way is using UWP API and yet the sandboxed app virtualization is a giant gimping, paired with the WDDM2.0 mafia tech.

Safety ? LOL
Talk about gimped console kiddoness.

 

... in expense of performance drop. Say again, why gamers should jump on that 10?

 

"Anniversary update" is the new name for Windows10- Redstone 1 release due Summer 2016, Well this release is bigger, their policy - M$ Winblows as a service is coming to fruition, soon the PC ecosystem will be nerfed, their business strategy and planning are almost like Apple's.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...gs-new-experiences-and-developer-opportunity/
http://arstechnica.com/information-...-supporting-anniversary-update-coming-summer/

Notable feature set -
DX12 Multi GPU, VSync, FPS
Windows Ink
Pickup where left off, A.k.a Continuum update, total copy of Continuity from Apple with Cortana AI infestation all over the OS now
Project Centennial, Win32 repackaging to UWP Store apps..
Linux Bash CLI
HoloLens update, device firmware recovery feature
"Hello" Biometric authentication

 

Windows 7 is sluggish compared to 8.1/10, that's a fact; also, I don't like how touch is working, the on-screen keyboard, and overall look and feel of 7. 10 has actually great, very useful notification panel, and overall I like it's interface best; the only thing that bothers me is I can no longer set sign-in screen and accent color to black, no matter what tricks I try since some build it seems impossible. In my 10 Pro, there is no MS Store (or any other app, for that matter), no telemetry, no Cortana, no Onedrive... should I continue? (= I also do like the way 10 treats drivers.

I was never an early adopter of any OS, and always waited for each of them to mature and become stable - maybe that's why I'm mostly positive about 10 and embrace the progress it provides over older Windows installments.

 

Honestly, my UX of 8 years with Windows 7, I never experienced anything that OS was short of, Period.

The Fastboot is just a gimmicky feature set, when you shut the machine down the OS setups a hibernation file and resumes it, plus the UEFI is doing this more quickly and if you use multiple installations, the fastboot breaks things Plus the fast boot up just loads minimal files and make it look fast. The startup feature of 8.1 is broken, doesn't accept applications to run default.

Source

 

Exactly, fast boot is hibernation, which Win 7 also has, so it could boot up almost as fast, but I had multiple drive corruptions, complete drive wipes due to hibernation (fast boot) in both Win 8 and Win 10 (and come to think of it on Win 7also) on my dual boot laptop, took me weeks to figure everything out. I disabled hibernation on all my systems and will never use it again. Hibernation was broken on Win 7, Win 8 and it is broken on Win 10. Besides don't need "fast boot" anyway, Win 7 cold boots in about 20 sec from SSD.
BTW Win 10 takes over 2 min to boot up from HDD, without using hibernation, I don't remember any of my older laptops taking that long to boot Win 7, with much older and slower hardware.

 

Very well said...I installed W7 on my old Dell XPS 1710 and never had a problem and it's still going strong after all these years.

 

To be fair touch in Windows 7 is borked compared to 8, even after optimizing settings it was like not properly calibrated on VAIO E14.

 

You gonna back that fact with some proof?

 

let's not forget the newest and greatest feature, now Windows 10 will enable you to share the notifications from your mobile device right onto your Windows! Just what we needed to make this OS even worse.

 

Yeah. Nice you pay and you get NO ads. Ads is more intendend for their new operativsystem, LOL
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3051...k-premium-with-custom-domains-and-no-ads.html

 

Windows 10 for me was for first very fresh and breathing experiance, but after performance issues, driver issues and the last - slow booting, i gave up it to win7- and ones again it's working like it did. 10 have tweaked ux and have better explorer, but new wddm model driver is not adopted enough to be mature.

 

That's how they are moving to a pay as you go model for the OS. The "Free" one will be so annoying with ad's and other misfeatures that people will pay a monthly fee to be rid of them.

MS couldn't sneak in the Ad's on the OS we paid for, but now that the OS is "free" they think they can get away with it.

We didn't have ad's before, we shouldn't have ad's now.

We paid for the OS, the new free "window dressing" doesn't give MS the right to force Ad's and other time wasting features into our OS. Not to mention scraping all our personal OS use data.

It's not free if it costs us something to use it

 

Yep, just like the cheaper amazon kindle "with ads".

 

The new clustermess is here - http://winaero.com/blog/windows-10-anniversary-update-does-not-include-classic-display-setting

Say goodbye to the command tweaking it's gone, better use the third party app from now.

So from the looks of this in the end we might be not having a control panel at all, I don't know what will happen then...sadness. I think the savior is Vulkan API.

 

Yeah. Say goodbye to the classic Display settings. And Welcome to our new pastel colored junk. This new pastel colored OS color caskets is more for 4-6 year old kids who enjoys the colors of pastel crayons. Tragic that M$ want to ruin a OS so fast. Thanks Redmond Morons

 

What is this Crap http://winaero.com/blog/change-windows-update-active-hours-in-windows-10/? A new half-made solution from the M*****. Is there no one at M$ that can use its brains? This is another crippled solution. Worth nothing Close the Win update forever and throw the key

 

Most annoying thing is still yet to finalize, Even though I don't use it but the Metro UI start is getting destroyed more - check out the new startmenu the options of new apps, pinning, power options etc are doomed. Horrible !!
(Insiders only get the chance to vote and finalize it seems, just came to know. A genocide. Period)

Spoiler: Gimped..

By Sargon -
OK, I voted for the old design and wrote the following:

The new Start Menu design is ABSOLUTELY APPALLING. Allow me to explain.

We pin apps to the start menu so that we could arrange them how we like and so that we wouldn't have to go back to the all app list again. WHY WOULD YOU make the all app list always present. It'll duplicate the amount of app shortcuts on start and simply waste space.

If I pin Alarms app I'll see it on both the left and the right side of the start menu. WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS!? Why even bother pinning anything at all in this case? And no, question 2 "Showing only live tile section" is not a solution, because we'd still have LESS of what we have in 1511. I want to see recently used apps, I want to see my customised FOLDER SHORTCUTS and I want to see my pinned tiles. I don't want to have my left side replaced with all app list, nor do I want it removed entirely.

Also remove the absolutely pointless 6 app limit from the recently used app list and allow us to pin apps that appear on that list (Like in Windows 7).

SRC -Comment at http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-anniversary-update-features-whats-new

 

Great Windows 10 impact on PC sales

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3054...nd-skylake-cpus-fail-to-inspire-upgrades.html

 

@toughasnails @Mr. Fox @Papusan

How can anything be this broken (search in Windows 10) by Linus Tech:

 

I didn't have any driver problem in a sense that the driver I manually installed was replaced with something else. I did have to pick some older Win 7 or 8.1 drivers instead of newer ones, though - but I believe it's vendors fault, not Microsoft. I have 2 convertible tablets with working palm rejection, security features (full-disk encryption, fingerprint authentication, vpn-only traffic, no telemetry or spying), fancy ASIO setup when I need it, and interface is really more comfortable compared to 7 and 8.1. Start menu? Hated it since switching to Windows from (ancient) Mac OS, in my personal opinion each iteration of it sucks and feels unnatural. Search? Use Everything for years. My current complaints are that at some point I had problems with Fast Boot on both machines, IIRC pretty soon after activating BitLocker, which seemingly resolved themselves some time after; boot times are still slower than 8.1 while faster than 7.

 

I don't mind losing the Classic Display Settings, I always use the NVidia Control Panel to change anything display related.

 

Same here - the Nvidia control panel - and now Geforce Experience has what I need.

It doesn't matter to me if MS is removing the Re-Dumbdancies in Windows 10

 

The slightly more interesting bit to me was the mention of, "...holdover of aging PC inventory that simply wasn’t purchased during the fourth quarter." I used this to my advantage to upgrade my parents' ancient desktop computer that was running an Athlon X2 CPU with 2 GB of RAM originally designed to run Windows XP. I was able to pick up a brand-new Lenovo SFF system with a quad-core i5 Haswell CPU, 8 GB of RAM, 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD, and Windows 10 for $400. After uninstalling the bloatware, of which there was shockingly little, running O&O Shutup 10, and getting their most-used applications running, they have a surprisingly quick little computer that should last them another 5+ years.

 

What, LOL??? How can losing ANYTHING in terms of features, controls or performance be viewed as being OK? I find it impossible to forgive Micro$loth for the utterly worthless garbage they are producing. Every time they remove a Windows feature it is inexcusable and deserves to be harshly ridiculed. I'm just shocked that anyone can view this as being acceptable. A company run by morons of this magnitude does not deserve any wiggle room whatsoever.

They need to get it right or go out of business. If their OS design team is not intelligent enough to discern the differences between a smartphone and a PC, they are no longer worthy of a place in the industry and deserve to die.

 

Look, you can complain about a lot of stuff MS is doing, but eliminating something that is otherwise rendered redundant by other software is not one of them.

 

That's not the point. We're talking about native OS customization options. Not everyone has NVIDIA Control Panel. NVIDIA Control Panel only does a few things. They've already downgraded the display configuration features massively and phase 2 is more disturbing. I'm seriously concerned that they have already removed TONS of UI customization and tuning elements since Windows 7 and this feels like the next stage in the Windows downgrade process. I fail to see how it has anything to do with removing redundant OS components. It seems they want everything to be one way (their way) and that blows. I don't want the desktop on all computers and smartphones to look, feel and act exactly the same. That's retarded and I'm not happy about their zombie approach to Windoze development. They seem more concerned about stupid cyber-fluff gimmicks, like Cortana the virtual tramp, and data collection, than they are about producing an excellent, fully configurable, high quality operating system.

 

Why replace something with something much uglier and worse, when they have decided to change? Settings in Win Crap X is forexample almost impossible to get uglier. I can't understand why some like the new ugly design. New isn't always better.

 

What are the specific things that are lost (if anything) with the doing away of the Classical Display Options in contrast to the revised Settings panel that will replace it? EDIT: from reading that article it looks like the answer is nothing is lost, it's just moved to the Settings page - just a change to get used to, shouldn't be too much of an issue, won't ruin your life or anything.

 

Windows UI just keeps getting dumber and dumber. Windows 8/8.1 lost a lot, and Windows 10 has lost even more. Putting what little is left as far as configuration options in obscure places so you have to go hunting to figure out what's there and what's not, or use third-party tools and registry hacks for basic stuff is not a good approach. Add in the atrocious aesthetics that are reminiscent of a pastel-color puke bomb, along with the abuse of white backgrounds for everything, and it's not a pretty picture.

Below is an example of what is missing. The ability to do the simplest things, like change windows color schemes, icon spacing, and text formatting of individual UI elements, has been severely restricted or eliminated.

 

Cheers for taking the time for the detailed response. I've just had a look at the Settings App, and for the Advanced Options it links directly to the old Control Panel to make the changes. My understanding is that those options on the old Control Panel will just be moved to the Settings App, which could be a quicker way of accessing those settings than how the Settings App currently interacts with the old Control Panel. I don't think we'd be losing anything - sure they've made changes from Windows 7 through 8 and now in Windows 10, but I don't think we're gonna lose any configurable settings as Windows 10 currently stands - they're just moving them to the Settings App. I think your example showing what's missing, is what's missing in the change from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (I think?), which is a different issue.

 

I think Micro$haft will prepare for the future . You will probably experience more bluescreens with new build + win updates in the future. Then is this new powerful tool good to have, LOL

http://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-thinks-you-need-a-qr-code-to-go-with-that-bsod
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