Windows 10

A very good article. M$ want the Win 8 style back
<Windows 10 was a compromise I thought was perfect. But now Microsoft—or factions within the company— want to slowly revert back to Windows 8 , and the Anniversary Update was step one.> What a mess!! The Redmond Morons don't want to listen what their customers want. They force whatever they want on us And they still don't understand why some prefer the older Win 7 OS?

 

Well at least frying all the systems will prevent the users from converting them to Linux. One way to keep their numbers up in the short term.

 

Yeah. And same time do whatever they can to crippling Win 7 with unnecessary updates but no Dx12. I can understand the high numbers of Win crap X Nothing to be proud of. They should ashamed!!

 

Look at it this way. If they burnt all the W10 upgrade systems these would almost all invariably be well over 1 year old computers and possibly beyond warranty. Those that are under factory or extended warranty will not be covered under the policy of unauthorized software. Making people purchase a new W10 machine, just another way to grow the market.....

 

Also denying Kaby lake support for Win 7 is another way to make Win Crap X look prettier Yeah, They are clever

 

If Krappy Lake doesn't run Windows 8.1/7, it's dead to me.

 

RIP I expect The Redmond Morons will do whatever they can to destroy your hopes

 

Everything MS doing wrong has been subset of employee mentality from exec and management so guys are tweaking things JUST to tweak things broken or functional. Its been roughly "If your not changing it your not doing your job" for awhile. Oh...and QA is abysmal, obviously.

Different platform teams dont really post very good update documention internally and even huge changes get like no communication efforts so its pretty mind numbing.

Sent from my ZTE A2017U

 

Are all non-Enterprise Windows 10 users beta testers? Or more precisely Guinea Pigs? I think so http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/14/are-all-non-enterprise-windows-10-users-beta-testers/

 

I came here to post that same article.

Also agree with this comment:

Win 10 can't ever reach beta because it'll never be feature complete. OS as a service.

 

So I have maybe a stupid question, but here goes anyways.

I tried to change the name of my user folder in Windows 10. Seems like I did it right, but there are a few old registry entries that still point to the old folder that I can't edit. Having gotten frustrated with it I am thinking about simply using the reset option in Windows 10 and setting things up from scratch. But I wonder if this will remove the programs that came with my laptop, such as the Clevo CC, nVidia programs, etc. and if I will have to re-install all of them or no. Anyone know? Maybe @Phoenix ?

 

it will be a fresh installation as if you formatted bro. This is not restoration of a factory image like Dell has in their taptops, this is like a full format without the hassle of actually arranging the installation media.

Driver Installation Order for Clevo Taptops:

1) Intel Chipset Software

2) nVIDIA GeForce Drivers (If you have an SLI system, after the installation is complete go to the nVIDIA Control Panel and enable SLI mode selecting AUTO as your PhysX Processor then apply and reboot once it asks you to)

3) LAN Killer e2400 Driver (go to device manager, then right click on the ethernet controller(s), then choose Update Driver Software, then manually browse to the folder which you extracted

Then do the same for the 2nd Ethernet Card. This way we have the driver installed but without the problematic Bandwidth Control tools that are available in the full suite.)

4) Realtek S5250 Card Reader Driver

5) Synaptics Touchpad Driver

6) Airplane Driver

7) Control Center AP (AKA Hotkey Driver)

8) Intel Management Engine Interface Driver

9) Intel Thunderbolt Driver

10) Realtek HD Audio Driver

11) WLAN + Bluetooth Drivers

12) Fingerprint Scanner Driver

13) SoundBlaster X-Fi MB5 AP

14) Intel Rapid Storage Technology (optional for RAID only)

 

And a new Big Update will come early 2017. A never ending beta phase

 

you mean, a never ending Beta phase that keeps making Windows 10 worse with every update

 

Yikes. Serves me right I suppose for not immediately making an image of the system the moment I started it up. I thought renaming the folder would be easy. I think I may go ahead and keep it as is - I had CClaner check for registry errors and fix any it could find.

 

Sorry bro. I forgot to add this to my short adequate description. But you obviously know what I meant http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...of-evoc-p775dm3-g.797027/page-2#post-10361782

 

Since there's no dedicated thread for the Windows 7 and 8.x I'll leave this here, Give it a read.
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com...-windows-7-and-windows-8-1-servicing-changes/

 

WTF would first security monthly rollup to contain non-security updates?
- So that no matter what and when happens you would get those non-security updates because they will be in every monthly rollup forever. No way to bypass those.

 

I think we can extract the update package and modify the KB packages, maybe executables..That's my guess, Also we might be able to use the 3rd party scripts from mdl...very very complicated stuff imo...Gotta see how things work out at MDL, Never tried updates on my machine with any tools or even windows updater. Maybe now I have to at some point.

And something that we already know but another point also covered.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10747/examining-win10au-driver-signing-policy

Seriously this M$ is complicating unnecessarily, they were hell bent on this GWX POS for 1 year and now this new trash agenda. Very very sad times ahead...crippled always alpha WinX in every aspect with huge bloat and now this

 

Bit the bullet and reinstalled Windows and all drivers. Wasn't as bad as I thought. Now following the guide by @Phoenix. Thanks for the list.

 

There was a time when I was installing MS betas on a regular basis. All my friends told me I was nuts for doing so, as it might crash, and I would lose my data. I laughed, and continued installing "Longhorn" betas, and what not. . I have installed hundreds of MS OS betas, and never really had issues the likes of what this Windows 10 crapware edition are inflicting on these innocent people (sheep). MS will continue on the path, and all of the new PC users, or new PC buyers, will think that this is the norm, and not know any better. All while people that have genuinely experienced complete control over their systems are shouting, and warning others of what a mess it is, going unheard.

 

Let them keep pushing stuff like this. The end result will be people embracing Google Andromeda when it hits and others like myself, giving Linux a spin. I have installed it by the way. Dual booting it with Win 10 on my HP. Been sick for a few days so haven't done much with it yet. Though I think I have duplicate Linux boots on here so I may completely reset this PC, and after Windows is done go ahead and do linux again. I had a few weird issues on my first Linux install and I don't think I was able to erase all of it before doing the second install.

 

Linux / UNIX has a large, steep, long learning curve, and it's lots of fun

As long as you can do what you need to do with what is available for Linux, it's great. Focus on the positives and strengths and it will be a very rewarding experience.

It's better to avoid dual booting configurations, at least at first. Pull the Windows drive (at least the connectors) while powered down, and install Linux to a second drive.

Then you select the drive to boot from at boot time, or in the BIOS, avoiding the whole calamity of losing dual boot config at Windows / Linux updates.

It happens, and can be a real disappointment that might shy you away from one or the other OS.

Learning how to repair Linux boot and Windows dual boot is a whole new skill besides learning Linux.

 

I'm more steered towards SteamOS rather than have Google's OS. They destroyed Nexus / Android is slowly being cut off features, more locks on SW to get SU access / Choice and Freedom. AOSP is dying slowly, I have to mention that ridiculous fugly circle icons, Also the Android x86 is not much since Intel scrapped off the Atom x86 Mobile CPUs, Remix OS is good but It lacks XDA support, No idea how future would be...

The Windows was/is "the" perfect platform. . No other OS can have this much of Userbase, flexibility imho. On the other side PC market falling off is a by-product of the Sheeple and Smartphone market exponential influx which ultimately effected Windows desktop platform and also the Intel /AMD fiasco, lack of IPC improvements slacking off by Intel. The Mobile Windows died too quickly..

Microsoft should learn something off these stupid moves, I hope they do soon enough but People should learn they should give a break and think, "Out of Box things should deliver everything and Thin, light norm" are stupid thoughts and Corporates are exploiting it heavily causing irreparable damage to the software / PC / Open market and the M$ CEO is a disgrace tbh. Hope there's better at the end of tunnel...

 

Thanks for intimidating me. Much appreciated. I Only have 1 drive in this laptop so it is what it is. Question though, if I do a system reset on this computer and reset it to the way it was out of the box, will it completely delete everything I have done with Linux so far and allow me to start over? Or will it only reset Windows and leave me with the Linux install. My hope is it will delete everything and allow me to start over.

 

if you only have 1 drive then you may need to delete the Linux partitions first. afterwards you can expand the primary drive partition. the restore option should then get rid of grub for you and let you start over.

 

Linux can be a daunting voyage into computer parts previously unthought of in the "Windows context", but that is what makes UNIX / Linux so much fun

You thought of one of the gotcha's I was trying to help you avoid, and yes it will blow away all your Linux partitions on your disk.

The first thing the recovery software does is to format all the internal drives it see's - which is why you only want the original boot disk and the disk that has the recovery partition on it left in the laptop when doing a recovery restore.

Most laptops have all the original partitions on the boot drive, but some have the recovery partition on the 2nd drive, usually a 1TB HDD these days.

Use the Windows Disk Management snapin to the Computer Management utility to see where your recovery partition resides - usually a 20GB partition or so.

Again, that's why I suggested using another drive instead of doing a dual boot off the Windows drive.

You could also use a USB 3.0 fast external drive - SSD maybe? - as a Linux boot drive.

I have used USB 3.0 fast flash drives for this as well.

When doing a recovery restore, make sure you disconnect any USB drives and empty the optical drive before doing the restore.

Remove the USB drives as some have reported even their USB drives getting blown away during a restore, and removing the optical disk will keep you from waiting for the disk to spin up and down during the recovery operations.

 

When I first installed Mint, it was still booting straight into Windows even though I had changed the boot timeout, disabled fast startup, disabled Safe boot and changed the boot order. I then deleted the new Linux partitions and ran a boot manager repair from a windows recovery drive I made. After that I reinstalled Mint. For some reason I don't think the recovery fixed the boot manager and erased the Linux boot that was written because I still showed up in Bios under boot/windows boot loader. In addition, there now seems to be extra partitions such as a duplicate recovery partition. I assume I do a complete reset, not one that retains my files and settings.

Yes it is kind of fun. I was genuinely excited when I figured a few things out and got Mint to boot. Downloaded a few apps for it already but do plan on starting over. If I could actually install it on a flash drive and just run it from there that might be a good option to consider.

 

That's a good point, the restore might not re-write the boot mbr.

You could do that yourself from a Windows installer and use the Repair System option and start a cmd window to run the commands:

How To Use Command Prompt To Fix Issues With Your PC's Boot Records
http://www.digitalcitizen.life/command-prompt-fix-issues-your-boot-records

 

So do I have to run all of them of just the first (/fixmbr)? I actually ran a boot loader repair like that from a Win 10 ISO which is why I find it strange I have so many partitions on my drive now. It said it completed successfully.

 

The partitions need to be deleted separately - the MBR re-write is like really small - literally 1 sector, or 1 record

Boot sector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_sector

Master boot record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record

Here is another article, maybe it will help to see it described from another viewpoint:
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/repair-master-boot-record-mbr-windows

Read through the whole thing, backing up as directed, and read over the followon commands and get a good idea of the whole process before moving forward.

I don't run into problems very often, but when I do and I don't have a Windows disk - easier now with downloadable flash/optical boot option, I used Linux Live CD/flash boot to massage partitions and boot for Windows shared disks.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fix...rome..69i57.3644j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Here is a recent example of why you don't want to use dual boot Linux / Windows - it is fragile and can be lost easily during a Windows update or Linux update.

Fix: Windows 10 Anniversary Update destroys boot loader in dual-boot config
http://windowsreport.com/anniversary-update-destroys-boot-loader-dual-boot-config/

"If you’re running a dual-boot system, you should think twice before installing the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Users are reporting that Windows doesn’t boot after Windows 10 version 1607 is installed, as their computers simply display an error message informing them the file system is unknown.

According to user reports, after the download is completed, Windows doesn’t boot in the first re-boot phase. Instead, a message appears, informing users the system is going to enter the GRUB rescue mode:
error: unknown filesystem.
Entering rescue mode …
grub rescue>

At the end of the process, the GRUB rescue utility lists the partitions, but shows them all as “unknown filesystem”. Many users would rush in to say it’s normal to have this error message since Linux and GRUB Boot Loader are not supported in dual boot configurations with Windows. In reality, many users have been running Grub with Linux and Windows for years."

And, accidental mishaps are common when running as root when you are a newbie, you don't know which end of the shell to point where, and you can shoot yourself in the foot very easily.

 

Only the Linux partitions allow me to delete them. The new duplicate recovery partition does not give me access to do anything. I used to have Windows, recovery and another small partition before Linux, now I have windows, recovery, another recovery the exact same size, and 2 very small partitions before Linux. That's after deleting the Linux partitions and expanding the original Windows partition back to what it was and running the windows boot repair. I still end up with the 5 partitions instead of the 3 I originally had. Also, I did see the issue with major Windows updates screwing things up. But I figure we are another 5 months from the next major update. I will look through everything else in a bit.

 

Even a minor update from MS can fsck things up

The Windows partitions are protected, you need to use a tool to unmark them as protected, then you can delete them.

Under Windows use diskpart:

How to delete a protected EFI disk partition with Windows 7, 8, or Windows 10
http://www.winability.com/delete-protected-efi-disk-partition/

or

How to Remove an EFI System Partition or GPT Protective Partition From a Drive in Windows
http://www.howtogeek.com/215349/how...protective-partition-from-a-drive-in-windows/

or

Can't delete extra "Healthy (Recovery Partition)"s and "Healthy (EFI System Partition)"
https://social.technet.microsoft.co...thy-efi-system-partition?forum=w8itproinstall

There are many ways on Linux, gdisk is user friendly:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/walkthrough.html

fixparts is a gdisk derived tool that's even more user friendly:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/fixparts/

 

Deleted partitions and repaired the boot manager. Checked the links out , found some on my own then did my own thing through command prompt. I have a few extra screws left over but no big deal right reinstalling Windows now and trying to decide if I am going to do a straight install or completely hack it to disable most of it's "features". We will see. Thanks all.

 

This is canonical how IBM jumps from PC to MAC. They see where Win10 is coming.

 

Get ready for the new "Creators Update". All early adopters automatically signed the Sheep contract with the massive downgrade and breaking things, Now will have to read again on what things have been cut off again and how to bring them back, Maybe one day we will see the end of Registry and GP editior, Services shafted to the UWP Sandbox abomination and that day will mark Windows as a Dead OS for me.

And here's some new tidbit the ultrabloatware OS -

 

Some more reading material on the Creators Update.

The free Windows 10 Creators Update will have all these upgrades (PCWorld)

My take on the Windows 10 Creators Update (gHacks)

Microsoft to Brand "Redstone 2" as Windows 10 Creators Update (Thurrott.com)

What’s New in Windows 10’s Creators Update, Arriving Spring 2017 (How-To Geek)

 

Completely MAD update. Nothing but to break the functionality and force the users to upgrade to new spyware / bloatware etc. They should stop this drama and get over with it release Service Pack style updates that should fix the issues with the foreverbeta b$ & wtf are those people features and those 3D, VR gimmicks man, Nobody wants that crap, why are they pushing this and they deleted the Paint which was simple and useful same like Personalization panel to a some weird abomination now. Next replace the explorer.exe with some metro uwp garbage ? Where is this going...

I got the LTSB AU but now since all companies will drop ball on the AU and start focusing this crapshoot and the RS1 will die like TH1 and TH2 and so on...never ending vicious cycle of blasphemy & against liberty.

 

I don't understand. If everyone hates Windows 10 so much, why not just not use it? I tried Win 10 on a second HDD. Detested it so badly that I nuked the drive and scarpered back to to good ol' Windows 8.1 with StartIsBack and AeroGlass.

 

Win8.1 is buggy and Win10 offers some extra improvement with gaming iirc and DX12 also full security patches, while the 7 is being phased out and after 2020 forget 7, 2023 is EOL for all Aero based Windows, 8.1 would be not like 7 I presume It'd still be valid though. I'm not using 10 as you said, but we cannot hang onto it long enough Vulkan is a hero I don't know how it will unfold but DX12 is improving from the looks of latest Deus EX MD's DX12 patch. Plus cummulative update packs are making into 7 and 8.1 making them no less than Winblows X.

And the latest is greatest norm, That is enough to make these old OSes die sooner...The most idiotic thing is always eternal beta nightmare, Rest of the cancer can be cut off but this thing is not welcomed for the stable environment / power users, and the doomed future of the control panel. The irony is the "Desktop App" thing. I mean ffs that's a damn DT OS and calling DT apps wtf are they thinking ? Touchscreen mobile gimp generation.

No choice but to accept it sooner or later So we are preparing for the better scenario and knowing things to circumvent this trash POS OS & Some are preparing to shift to another OS.

 

That's a first. 8.1 is at least as stable as 7 is, to me, at the very least.

 

Quote Phoenix, If you don't want to believe it. I know it's stable but It's not fully stable as 7.

The most common ones are blackscreen wallpaper, multiple times rt click on taskbar when a window is opened.

 

Why forget 7 ???? Because of no updates ? Who needs them anyways. I have not updated my W7 since August and its running just fine and it will run just fine even after 2020 . I was told the same thing about XP and I still have a few laptops running it with no problems. The only problem I have is some big company telling me what's best for me. I know what's best for me and its not W10. Plain and simple W10 is garbage.

 

I think that after 2020 Nvidia and AMD / Intel won't support 7 anymore, So all of the internet will follow that maybe...

 

Actually, they've already abandoned us alongside Microsoft and it's suicidal push with Windows 10. Neither Intel nor AMD will release SATA/RAID Drivers for the new hardware releases, and as such while your Install media will boot it will find no HDD/SSD as an install destination. Unless someone manages to mod Windows 10 drivers so that Windows 7 users can integrate them or hardware vendors keep an "IDE Legacy" option, we are at a dead end. But that would just mean that you can use your Windows 7 on your new Kaby Lake/Zen machine while enjoying none of the benefits from the new platform and experiencing horrendous performance.

If you still have doubts about Intel you can go and check their latest RST drivers and look at the supported hardware for the operating systems listed: IRST v15.2 Changelog

 

Thanks for the link, the table doesn't actually say it doesn't work on Windows 8.1/7, it says: "Supported Operating Systems", with the column's saying "Platform Support"

Also, Kaby Lake laptop H / desktop K CPU's aren't released, so as Intel says:

"Intel may make changes to specifications and product descriptions at any time, without notice."

We know that MS has threatened many things to induce people to run like scared sheep toward Windows 10.

Fortunately MS has backed off every time and done the "sane" thing and supported Windows 7/8.1 on new hardware, as expected / promised.

Windows 10 is still a mess, ignoring all the other good reasons to not allow Windows 10 on your network.

Windows 10 is still "finalizing" the UI, and many interfaces have changed over time - which for computer people isn't a big deal - reactions ranging from mildly annoyed, to WTF MS - Why??!!

If you have had a good experience on Windows 10, you are "ignoring" the oh so many times MS has inconvenienced you, and broken your work stride by making you pay attention to Windows 10 instead of doing work.

These attention disruptions matter to many of us far more than any perceived improvement Windows 10 offers and so far has failed to deliver.

When Kabylake releases, and people are actually complaining to Intel / AMD and MS about things not working, I hope those in charge wake up and push out the compatibility driver releases needed to work with Windows 8.1/7.

There are 3 more years of life in Windows 7, and 6 more years of life in Windows 8.x, that's 2-4 whole depreciation cycles, or generations of new hardware releases - CPU / GPU.

That's a lot of money to leave on the table; a lot of customers sidelined with money in their pockets, money waiting to be spent at Intel and AMD if they release Windows 7/8.1 compatibility for Intel 7th Generations CPU's.

I wonder what will happen...

Update: Microsoft decided to cheat us out of a choice, and without any warning, MS has pulled sales of Windows OEM 7/8.1 licenses.

Microsoft stops sales of Windows 7 and 8.1 OEM licenses
By Tim Schiesser on November 1, 2016, 10:45 PM
http://www.techspot.com/news/66893-microsoft-stops-sales-windows-7-81-oem-licenses.html

It's all Windows 10: Microsoft stops sales of Windows 7 Pro, Windows 8.1 to PC makers
After extending deadline by two years, Microsoft sticks a fork in the world's most popular operating system.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3137...of-windows-7-pro-windows-81-to-pc-makers.html

 

M$ really has no other option but to support the newer hardware. Many a business machine will need this support. To not have it is to leave those OEM machines no access to the most widely used OS. Now as we get much closer to the EOL of the OS then the threats may happen but not for a while yet.

 

While it may not explicitly say that, the fact that Windows 7/8.1 combined with Kaby Lake result in a big "No" on the Supported Platforms is a pretty good giveaway that it won't work. Intel has a history of ditching the code from older hardware in newer RST versions. This is almost the same, I assume they will not be writing the necessary code in the first place and as such, it will lead to the installer not seeing any SSD/HDD present.

Intel also has a history that once a piece of hardware is abandoned in terms of software support, they won't backtrack on the decision. While it may seem like a glimmer of hope, I am pretty skeptical about this. Another evidence that I bring on the table is the Bluetooth fix Intel released for the people who were forced or unfortunate enough to install KB3172605:

Troubleshoot Issue with Intel® Bluetooth and Microsoft Windows 7* Updates

Yep, if you have anything older than those products Intel won't bother to release the necessary fix. They even locked down the thread in their support forums about this issue.

This has been previously discussed from what I remember, but Microsoft announced that it won't support any new hardware that comes out for Windows 8.1. Yes, you heard that right. Even though the end of mainstream support date is January 2018, Microsoft already released an announcement that they can't be bothered to support hardware that comes out until that date.

Microsoft is hell bent on NOT keeping their part of the deal with Windows 8.1 support. How can this be interpreted as kept promises/expectations?

 

How about we wait until after Kaby Lake releases for a while, and let the chips fall where they may, then we can work out how to proceed.

Until then I am continuing to not use Windows 10. And, probably after that I will also continue not using Windows 10, until MS settles down and stops messing around.

I paid for the Windows licenses I am running, and I will continue to enjoy using them until the final security update installs, and probably well beyond that date.

Computers last a long time, if you build them well to start with, you can get a long long life out of them. Without Windows 10.