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    Windows 11

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jun 14, 2021.

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    Yeah I got all that here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...k/18bb87ae-fbb1-463e-9a8c-828e60adcf8b?page=1 I just used another simple ebook program that's already compatible, no need for any dreaded updates for one program I use infrequently.
     
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    Windows 11 restores Win+X menu access keys, but taskbar loses another feature windowslatest.com - July 27, 2021

    The Power User Menu, otherwise known as the Win+X menu, is available by default in Windows 11. Microsoft's power user menu is getting a redesign with Windows 11 and the pop-up menu still includes all shortcuts to Device Manager, Task Manager and other advanced Windows tools.

    Taskbar loses clock seconds support
    As we reported recently, Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 11 taskbar does not support the ability to drag & drop apps onto the taskbar. Additionally, Windows 11 no longer allows users to change the location of the entire taskbar.

    In a new Feedback Hub post, Microsoft has acknowledged the removal of a registry value “ShowSecondsInSystemClock” that allowed the taskbar clock to display time in seconds.

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    Windows 10 taskbar clock with seconds
    This feature requires a registry hack and it was added with Windows 10. In a Feedback Hub post, Microsoft confirmed Windows 11 taskbar system clock has dropped support for seconds.

    “We’re sorry, this is not a supported registry key for Windows 11. Thank you so much for giving us your feedback, which we’ll continue to use to guide the future of the clock,” Microsoft said.

    Again you are forced to use 3rd party tool to fix their lack of options.
    I add the Dism command in text file and put it in the ISO. Then run it once I have installed the OS from USB stick. I don't like connect to the internet before all is up.
    Yep. Microsoft try become Apple, both on the OS side of design as well on the Hardware. It will be more and more difficult as time go to see who is who.

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    Microsoft patent hints at Surface Book with Apple-like keyboard design setup windowslatest.com

    A new patent application has revealed how Microsoft might bright Apple’s Magic keyboard-like technology to its Surface Book (or perhaps even other Surface devices like Surface Laptop).
     
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    Consumers: Why did you remove that feature?
    Microsoft: Because we can.
    Consumers: But it was working fine. We liked it.
    Microsoft: We don't care; we just don't want you to have it.
     
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    I found the ultimate Windows 11 Fix!!!!!!!!!!






    don't install the damn slop
     
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    Windows 11 Makes It Hard to Change Your Default Web Browser howtogeek.com | July 28, 2021

    Windows 11 comes with Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft really doesn’t want you using Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, or anything else as your default web browser. Sure, you can still change your default browser—if you want to jump through some extra hoops.

    You might run into these issues while using Firefox on Windows 11 windowsreport.com

    Windows Insiders that use Firefox as their default browser are flagging some problems that ruin the experience on Windows 11.

    Apparently, the browser constantly freezes when attempting to download files or simply switching between tabs.

    There is still no clear reason that might trigger such behavior for the popular web browser on the new Windows 11 build.

    As a possible workaround, users can try creating a new profile and switching to it, as depicted in this article.

     
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    Seems M$ likes paying the EU bazillions.
    Remember when the EU fined them and forced them to not be so monopolistic about browsers, what, 3 years ago or so ?
    No, it was farther back then that, don't recall specifics, do recall fines and forcing M$ to allow freedom of choice tho.
     
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    1. This is a notebook forum - most of us here are using laptops. Linux is not good at switching between integrated and discrete GPUs. Yet.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus

    2. Some of us use software that's only available for Windows. Many games need Windows, too, but that's entertainment - I consider that optional and something I could live without, but the software I need is for work.

    As a result, we can't just move en masse to Linux. Yet. Maybe in a few years, though.

    Until then, we have to either live with Windows and swallow whatever cr@p they dish out to us, or modify it to be somewhat more palatable. Something like NTLite which lets you rip out a lot of the bloat that's in Windows, or maybe even something like Hackintosh which lets you run MacOS on PC hardware - in our case it will run Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.
     
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    Im going to start calling Microsoft "Thanos" because they act just like him.

    Best advice ever!.
     
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    It seems you have forgot Windows is more than 11 :) @JRE84 mentioned particularly Win 11 in his statement :hi:

    Windows 10 will be with us, at least until fall 2025. If not longer (See... XP and win 7).

    Yep, rounded corners and Apple similar UI ain't so tempting. And I'm probably not alone regarding this.
     
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    When Windows 10 came out, remember how older Windows versions turned into nagware? Multiple popups every day reminding you that Windows 10 was available, and encouraging you to upgrade? Expect more of that all the way up to 2025. We might even have to disable one of the required elements just to reduce the nagging.
     
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    As I have posted before... Turn of TPM 2.0 and Microsoft should live you alone. Not same HW requirements this time as going from Win 7 or 8.1 and up to the so called "free" upgrade to 10 :)

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    geez it was just a funny bit...i realize we need microsoft
     
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    The sad truth. Both an ally and an enemy, whose actions forces one into a mysterious guerilla warfare to evade and counteract a stream of constant misdeeds.
     
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    Massive move to Linux for those without tpm 2.0 and other HW requirements. Windows 11 will have massive bloatware like Windows 10 presently. EOL Windows 10 2025 or so. Linux has come along way and now offers native support for lots of items they did not before,,,, Get Busy
     
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    I moved to macOS. I tried Linux many times. Hate it! The software is a joke and installing an app requires you to have an engineering degree in coding.
     
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    I just tried a Linux Version last night-- the kernel loads in Nvidia Drivers and Qualcomm 802.11AC drivers ect on the fly-- ready to use. Linux is gearing up too knock out M$ for all non tpm 2.0 ect computers--Linux all ready owns all the servers. Using Windows goes thru Linux servers and that is all there is to that.
     
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    The first Windows 11 Beta release is full of nasty bugs windowsreport.com | July 30, 2021

    As with any new software release, users are bound to discover nasty bugs that ruin their experience.

    Microsoft just opened the doors for Insiders to transition from the Dev channel to the Beta channel and already errors are being reported.

    These OS glitches can range from simple visual bugs, all the way to errors that compromise OS integrity.

    It seems that after this Beta release, most bugs that users encountered are related to one of the most used elements, which is the taskar.

    And with time, Microsoft will start push out firmware for Win 11 machines as they do for windows 10. Beware: Windows update is pushing BIOS updates with bugs

    ----------------------------------------------------

    TPM Windows devices aren’t that safe, according to researchers windowsreport.com

    Even though Microsoft preached the enhanced safety we were going to receive via TPM chips, an attack is not even remotely impossible.

    If one of our windows 11 devices were to fall into the wrong hands, the device itself and the network it's connected to would be compromised.

    Experts proved that, with the right set of skills, even the TPM 2.0 security chips can become easy prey for malicious entities looking to extract our data.

    Microsoft might want to take a closer look at these security features and maybe even revise its strategy, while there is still time do so.
     
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    not everything. my sound card didn't even have drivers for linux.. and sound blaster didn't even think linux as a target
     
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    yeah my next computer might be mackintosh...I'm tired of microsofts BS..macOS just works easy to use and master and does what I need as well as supports geforce now.....which means 10 hours of gaming on the couch unplugged....and their screens are usually pretty good its not OLED but they still are nice./
     
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    Microsoft: Windows 11 requirements cannot be bypassed, and users aren’t happy windowslatest.com - August 1, 2021

    In the midst of the pandemic, Windows is seeing a surge in popularity, and understandably, Microsoft is introducing Windows 11 to keep up as a result. Windows 11 features a new look, themes and personalization...

    As you can imagine, people aren’t happy with Microsoft’s vague explanation. In the comments of Microsoft’s video, people are basically yelling at the tech giant to reverse these requirements.

    Some users said that “Windows 11 will be another Windows 8”, while others criticized Microsoft’s explanation of minimum requirement. “These requirements are just a marketing ploy” by Microsoft, another user stated.

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    At the time of writing, the unlisted video on YouTube has not been well received by Microsoft customers and it has been disliked by more than 300 people.

    Comments on Microsoft’s video have now been disabled. LOOOL

    And microsoft should stop talk about improved security as main reason for the new HW requirements. Win 11, same as Win 10 will be a security mess whatever they try to lure you to think.

    Microsoft PrintNightmare Hack Grants Windows Admin Privileges In Latest Security Facepalm hothardware.com

    Earlier in July, the PrintNightmare vulnerability was discovered, wherein a threat actor could exploit the vulnerability to gain system-level access to a device. This was only speculation at first, but that has now changed, as cybersecurity researcher Benjamin Delpy has shown. Since the discovery of PrintNightmare, Delpy has been working to both investigate and exploit it for research purposes. Initially, he reported that he could achieve both remote code execution and local privilege escalation using PrintNightmare on a fully patched server with “Point & Print” enabled. Following that development, Delpy was more recently able to create a web-hosted printer that leveraged the vulnerability on any PC that connected to it.
     
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    Over 700 now. Microsoft aren't doing anyone's favours for this mess they've made. And the requirements don't justify it, either. Typical and aggressive marketing ploy which would encourage more well working electronic waste. This is gross.

    Saying even this: " We're still going to block you from upgrading your device to an unsupported state since we really want to make sure that your devices stay supported and secure" sounds desperate, and disappointingly pathetic. Arbitrary "unsupported state". Microsoft REALLY want you to buy a new machine to replace your perfectly working well in spec machine for a feature that isn't even necessary. Windows 11 won't survive this way. That huge influx of Linux users? It's Windows 11 doing that in the future.
     
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    Yep, and with this move to block you out they'll push you to the gray/pirate market so you have to buy an Win 11 license for your custom install. Not so sure this will help on the claimed increased security.
     
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    This will likely just encourage normal people to stick with what they have. They're already an extremely price sensitive market segment.

    I doubt many of them would think that there is enough of an increase in features to warrant getting a new computer.
     
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    With their stupid arbitrary hardware restrictions, they are forcing us to get the installers from elsewhere, and most people aren't savvy enough to look for a trusted source.
    I only trust https://uupdump.net/ which provides a script that will download the required files from M$'s own servers and build the ISO for me.
    As far as bypassing the hardware restrictions goes, I get the patcher from mydigitallife.
    You can open the scripts and read them to satisfy yourself that they aren't doing something you are not comfortable with.
     
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    Well, if one downloads and installs Windows from non-official source and then complains about malware, that person is to blame for such mistake...

    If a person isn't savvy enough, that person shouldn't be running beta software...
     
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    What about when the official version comes out?
     
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    Do all people need to run latest and greatest?
    Windows 10 will still be supported until 2025 IIRC.
    Lol, if Windows 7 was still supported I would run that.
     
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    Just sit down in calm and see if bugs being ruled out the first months :)
     
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    Exactly. Go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.
    Who knows, maybe once Windows 10 reaches EOL and to move people from 10 to 11 MS will drop TPM requirement.
    Or one's PC will be outdated enough to buy a new one. Or move to Linux. Plenty of possibilities!
     
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    They cant handle the heat by disabling the comments lol. Im surprised they didnt disable the like/dislike function as well.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Damag...icized-Windows-11-upgrade-video.553279.0.html

    It almost to 1,000 dislikes now.
     
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    now 129 likes, 2200 dislikes :O)
    (edit) getting even better: 149 \ 2800
    (edit 2) 201 \ 3900. Wondering how long before ms removes it lol
    (edit 3) 259 \ 5800 rofl

    But MS found the solution, anyone upgrading to 11 will get free gifts: a pair of glasses like the lady's and a hat like the guy's. That will turn the tide.
     
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    If it ain't broke... BREAK IT!
    Btw. hasn't M$ decided to drop the rounded corners from Windows 11? I vaguely remember hearing something about it.
     
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    Linux performs 15 percent better than Windows 10 sweclockers.com | Yesterday

    In a test suite consisting of 27 different applications, Linux manages to pull away from Windows 10 and Windows 11 by a good margin.

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    Compared to Windows 10, Clear Linux delivers an average of about 13 percent higher performance . The situation for Microsoft's operating system gets worse with Windows 11

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    Microsoft is not copying Apple
    Some people believe that Windows 11’s design elements like centered Start Menu and rounded corners are inspired by macOS. This is not true, according to Microsoft.

    Good design tends to be similar we learn from each other but Fluent has been around a long time and we’re evolving with how people use our device,” said Kevin Gallo, head of the developer platform at Microsoft.

    “You know that’s changing all the time as we just kind of use devices in new novel ways and combine them… “You know they might look familiar but our goal is that these things really do you know feel natural normal,” he added.

    Sure.

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    Windows 11: Here are the features currently missing or going away windowslatest.com - August 10, 2021

    With Windows 11, Microsoft is adding a number of new design features and more improvements are expected to land in the coming days via the Microsoft Store. At the same time, Microsoft is killing....
     
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    I had hopes it was going to say "At the same time, Microsoft is killing it." And TBH I think they are at this point in a bad way... Productivity for a start, and really the OS. And how is it good design, when majority of people aren't liking it at all? You can't defend removing drag and drop, and removing resizing taskbar and location. I feel there's little improvement here.
     
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    All these tests mean nothing when you can't run majority of software natively on other OSes except for Windows...
     
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    and they certainly mean nothing when you gotta be a professional coder with a PhD to install a simple application. I've yet to see a worse OS in my life than Linux.
     
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    Probably, but they show how Win 10 performs vs the new and shiny Win 11 :D Where’s the big performance boost? Hided in the rounded corners? :p
     
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    Not really, there are plenty of user friendly distros out there - Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora and Pop to name a few. They come with software package managers a la MS or Apple stores, which makes it easy. Alternatively a simple apt command in terminal works fine most of the time, similar to what one would use to get plugins for i.e. Python with pip.

    Something like Arch on the other hand, true. But if you are a pleb and really want Arch you go Manjaro.

    But they days of compiling software from source code are over. There are so many choices to go user friendly in Linux, just wish there was more first party software support.

    Well it's still a developer preview, so here's me hoping it will improve, at least by 2025. Or not, because then you won't have any choice but to use Windows 11 anyway :D

    But my argument still stands between testing Linux and Windows performance when "99%" of what I use daily doesn't run on Linux natively.
    I mean it's cool and all, but what should I do with this knowledge? Just maybe wish MS would improve Windows, that's all...
    upload_2021-8-13_12-33-51.png

    :D :D :D
     
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    Don't be so sure. Don't forget XP and Win 7 had a longer life than the EOL date :D And Win 10 have the same Microsoft Store, same Cloud storage and same web browser as Win 11. Say people have to trash their fully working machines at this date/year won't be easy :vbthumbsup: And we still have 2019 LTSC out 2029.
     
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    The last three releases have been available in the beta channel - 20000.100, 20000.120 and 20000.132 - so we're getting close to a public release version.

    I'm still maintaining industrial machines running Windows XP (I even have one running Windows 2000 !!! ). I don't dare let them anywhere near the internet, but they still do work.
     
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  47. N2ishun

    N2ishun Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm over here thinking Microshaft is going to do *something* to fubar LTSC well before it's EOL time.
    There are just too many people using it that were never accounted for when M$ created it and I bet that pisses them off.
    We've all seen how they respond to public desires haven't we ?
     
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  48. killkenny1

    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    True. If Windows 7 supported my CPU and WMR I would still be on it.
    I still got my old laptop running Windows 7 and have no plans to upgrade it.
     
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  49. jclausius

    jclausius Notebook Virtuoso

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    "Microsoft says Windows 11’s Mica transparency effect and rounded corners will not affect performance"

    - Windows 11 is a major cosmetic update, but often improved looks mean poorer performance on Windows.**

    - ... Microsoft said Windows 11 users had nothing to worry about.

    - “For rounded corners, we optimized our rendering performance so you shouldn’t notice any difference compared to square corners,” the company said.

    https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-s...-rounded-corners-will-not-affect-performance/

    Do you see what they're saying is spin?? Performance on Windows 11 will be the same regardless of UI is sugar-coating. @Papusan... where's your nice picture of putting lipstick on a pig?

    What's not being mentioned or looked at is the performance degradation between "square corners" in Windows 7 vs Windows 11, or even square corners in Windows 10 vs. Windows 11.

    I guess time will tell.

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    ** - SO TRUE!!
     
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  50. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Yep, just buy the new Surface Jokebook that is meant for Win 11. The new OS is built around own hardware and not the opposite so it has to be good, LOOL

    Microsoft might release a new Surface Pro with Windows 11’s launch windowslatest.com

     
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