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    Windows 11

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    I just installed it, you're right, it did auto activate with a Digital License
     
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    Please post benchmarks (CBR and 3DM). New has to be better as you know :) And don't forget make your tool ready to stop fire :D
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    Should you download Microsoft Windows 11? betanews.com

    Angry Emmett told all he is an Win insider (I have a contact within insiders and nobody has even been given any such thing as windows 11), LOOOL

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    Maybe he is a fanboy that is worried about enthusiasts downloading it and posting about what a pile of crap it is before the Redmond Reprobates have their army of marketing yes-men armed with lies and distractions so they are ready for battle.

    On the flipside, if he is right and this is some kind of modded OS that might actually be a good thing since there is nothing special about the product I downloaded. It is inferior, at least at this point in time. If this is the legit pre-release version, I'd hope for something better.
     
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    Yeah, a weird man :) Some prefer to be on the frontpage and defending own ignorance :D

    Microsoft goes after the websites that leaked Windows 11 iSO windowsreport.com

    • The Windows 11 hype is not yet over and already Microsoft is out seeking vengeance for the recent leak.
    • The tech giant filed a DMCA complaint against the websites that have been leaking the Windows 11 ISO.
    • It seems that the originator of the leak, according to Microsoft, is an Indian web publication called Beebom.
    • By doing so, Microsoft inadvertently confirmed the existence of Windows 11 to users worldwide, ending all sorts of speculations.
    Edit. Titus test Win 11
     
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    Your comment is still being held for moderation, as is mine. If Emmett is correct it would not make much sense that the Micro$lop Digital Clown Possee would so vigorously pursue legal action for the leak of a fake product with the same zealous vengeance that they would a legit version.
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    The biggest downgrades I'm seeing in this version so far are massive Information density loss, the explorer navigation is really stupid and not made for PC hardware at all. Damn I even keep my Android phone have maximum information density not less, because I can utilize the screen to full potential. Then they killed the whole Taskbar system with the new UWP garbage ? There's no more Drag and Drop support, for example you have a .zip file and you can copy across windows if you want by simply using mouse and holding over icons on the taskbar it will open the respective application / explorer window you can do multiple things, pinning and etc. Then they removed the combining of labels too. Also, I use Foobar 2K and has a WinTense Win7 shell extension component that helps me see the progress of the track, or other applications like JDownloader which shows progress bar, I bet they removed all of that too.

    These are massive fundamental changes, horrible POS garbage. Really annoying to see such stupid changes and adding gunk and pure garbage like News, Notification center, more Xbloat garbage and Store drama.

    I really want developers to grow a pair and start making DX12 obsolete. And push for Vulkan and Linux on games, not that I'm addicted to these new garbage games that they are pushing nowadays but masses will kick the curb once that happens and this disastrous garbage M$ and their stupid ideas would be obsolete.

    As for LTSC, I'm not able to grasp how can they push an LTSC on this garbage version. They should make Win10 LTSC version only instead of this garbage. But since extended support is for 10 Years for LTSC 2019, they might be so stupid to release an LTSC on Win11. Damn this is getting worse than Windows10 which I despised since it's debut (I use Win10 Enterprise on work laptop, it doesn't pose a usability threat except for that idiotic task switcher, even the Start is OK. CP and Settings I don't use since it's controlled by Corporate but it's a mess. However this on the other hand is horrid)

    Windows 7 looks, feels and works million times better than this pile of junk even after more than 10 years.
     
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    Well I toyed with the OS long enough and my personal verdict is that I don't really like it. Unintuitive and basically a huge productive deterrent.
     
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    Both are up now :) Bro Spartan next? :D https://betanews.com/2021/06/15/download-microsoft-windows-11/
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    There was never any intention to create a product to serve customer needs, Windows 11 is not an operating system: It's a software product designed to harvest information and produce recurring revenue streams. The GUI portion of it is just the cheese baiting the trap.

    There is a reason they've been telling you for years that windows is a service; if you don't like now think about where we're headed.

    Edit... That was in response to ashtrix, the quote got dropped for some reason.
     
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    I must have not paid attention before. The Windows sounds in the zip file you provided are identical to those included with Windows 10 LTSC 2019. I just confirmed it, even going to the effort of playing them.
     
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    Weird, I'll re-upload
     
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    @Mr. Fox

    Check now please:

    Windows 11 Sounds

    1) Download the ZIP File

    2) Make sure to right-click on the file you just downloaded, go to Properties, then hit Unblock from the bottom right as it may be blocked since it was downloaded from the internet, if you don't do this before you extract it, then all the files that you extract will have a BLOCKED status.

    To prevent this automatic blocking of files in the future so you don't have to go unblocking every file you download to ensure it runs properly, check the guide in this thread:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/are-you-sure-you-want-to-run-this-file-yes-or-no.825668/


    3) Take ownership of the folder C:\Windows\Media (change it to the Everyone user group)

    4) In the main properties Windows of that folder, under the Security Tab, click EDIT, then also add the Everyone Group there and grant them full privileges

    5) Delete the folder

    6) Replace it with the folder you just downloaded
     
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    The Windows 11 Sound files appear to be identical to 20H2 and 21H1. I am only checking the default files in the root folder and not all of the subfolders with old sound themes. The vast majority of them are the same as LTSC 2019 Sounds. There are just a few differences there. LTSC 2019 does not contain the "dm" folder or those files, of which are the same files present in 20H2 and 21H1. LTSC 2019 has ir_begin.wav, ir_end.wav and ir_inter.wav, which do not exist in 20H2, 21H1 or W11 Sound files.

    The Windows User Account Control.wav file for LTSC 2019 is the obnoxious one that we hate. It has the same file name, but it is not the same. It is 185K in size besides sounding obnoxious. 20H2, 21H1 and W11 have the same 396K UAC wav file that sounds far more pleasant.

    I am not able to spot any differences in the default Windows Sound files between W11, 21H1 and 20H2. They seem to be the same and all that I played sounded the same.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that "leaked" is just marketing nowadays lol
     
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    Windows 11 — here's why there's already a backlash tomsguide.com | 8 hours ago

    Windows 11 — or at least, an unfinished build of whatever the next Windows ends up being called — has leaked online ahead of Microsoft's June 24th Windows event, and some people seem to be taking it personally.

    Public backlash to a new idea or product is as common as mosquitos in summer, and just as biting. But this time it may be significant enough to influence Microsoft's path forward for the next big Windows release.

    Windows 11 backlash

    If you haven't seen it yet, the leaked dev build of Windows that spread across the internet in mid-June reveals a streamlined new look for the venerable operating system that includes rounded corners and a centered Start button.

    Those two new changes alone seem to have peeved many people, which may influence Microsoft's messaging and push the company to offer more visual customization options in a final build.

    For example, there are those who feel the rounded edges of Windows' new UI are a little too similar to those you'll see in Apple's macOS. The centered Start button has also caused consternation, despite the fact that you can relocate the Start button back to the left-hand corner of the taskbar if you like.


    There's also some online trepidation over how closely the leaked build of new Windows resembles the promotional shots of Windows 10X, a now defunct version of Windows 10 optimized for touchscreens and meant to compete against Chrome OS.

    With a leaked build of Windows in the wild and a Windows press event on the horizon, those reports appear to be true. Many fans seem to be more than a bit dismayed that the next big thing for Windows appears to be a subtle redesign that delivers a smorgasbord of small changes, rather than a significant overhaul of the aging operating system.

    The more bad publicity the bigger chance is it for Microsoft to change before the real released OS version.


     
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    Yes that is exactly the case. Puzzling that they are pursuing legal action for something that we have every reason to believe was planned to create hype and interest.
     
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    I hope that is true. They've been resilient to feedback, expressions of dismay, and genuine disgust from those they should be bending over backwards to please in years past. Hopefully they will listen and change course based upon the things they hear that people despise about what they see in the leak. I don't believe that they will personally, but there's always hope they might be smart enough to do that this time.
     
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    If the Win 11 iso is legit, I'm sure the leak was intended. This to create interest and try measure what people thinking about their ideas for coming OS. Microsoft ain't so stupid that they can't keep the OS secure from others.
     
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    Have you not any interest? :eek: :rolleyes:

    This is the crippled OS that Windows 10 should have been.
    1- Love the fluid animations, my 60hz 4K OLED panel felt so jerky in Windows 10, with Windows 11, it feels like a 90hz panel, animations are so fluid and smooth.
    2- The snappiness is just insane even with animations turned on compared to Windows 10
    3- Default apps finally has a search bar enabling you to quickly find the extension you want to associate a program to:
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    Maybe they're trying to get ahead of leaks that are unofficial with its official leak of something that's not ready for prime time like Windows 11 isn't ready for prime time, lol.

     
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    I mean I have seen you have talked nice about increased snappiness for each new Win feature update the last half decade. If this was true you wouldn't need jump on the unknown :D And a couple of new features can't replace/substitute the new Ugly in this OS version. A lot need to be changed before it will get a OK stamp from me.

    Placebo - Wikipedia
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    In a world that is filled with inconsistency and uncertainty about what the future holds, I find it comforting to know that I can rely on the truth that the next version of Windows is always going to suck more than the one before it because the people that make it always suck more than they used to and their behavior demonstrates that they are idiots. I sleep well knowing that I can expect more of the same when I wake up the next day.
     
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    NOTHING can suck more than Windows 10, the worst OS in history! An OS that has been in BETA ever since its release.

    Microsoft CEO, no more updates, Windows 10 is the last OS.......but...we get a new build every 6 months, with more crap, more bugs, more stuff to clean...

    Windows updates....fixes some errors, breaks more stuff....48 hours later... Windows update preview...to fix the mess Windows update made...next Tuesday....repeat the same BS.... [​IMG]

    PS: just like nVIDIA's drivers. Micr0$h4ft needs to merge with nVIDIA
     
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    UPDATED 11 hours ago | By Mark Hachman

    Why is there a Windows 11 if Windows 10 is the last Windows?

    If Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows, why is there a Windows 11? Well, because Windows 10 was never officially the last version of Windows.

    Really, though, Windows 11 is a branding exercise. Windows 11 is still Windows, and it’s still Windows 10, much like Windows 10 carried forward elements found within Windows 8. Microsoft will patch it, and likely continue to add featurrs, whatever it is -- "Windows as a service" isn't going away. Expecting Windows to carry forward “Windows 10” until the end of time, though, was likely unrealistic. So yes, right now it appears that Nixon’s statement was wrong, and that Microsoft does plan to move on from Windows 10. But give Nixon a break, too: He made an enthusiastic, throwaway comment that ended up being understood as company policy.
     
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    They're so full of crap that whites of their eyes are brown. It is only natural that their product would be equally sucky. It is a reflection of who they are and how they think. Because of that there is little hope that I will ever like Windows again. There's no way in hell I'm ever going to switch to Apple and I'll have to lower my standards to switch to Linux. It's really sad when the only option that is suitable isn't one that you're particularly fond of, but that's where we are now. Definitely a love/hate relationship and we find ourselves putting up with crap that we should not have to put up with because the alternative is worse; not because we like the product we are using or think it is a good product.

    The way I look at it is this: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I just wish the enemy of my enemy didn't suck at their job so much.
     
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    but here's the thing, no matter how much hate we have for it, neither McDonald's OS nor the Penguin OS can even come close to Windows Software. I tried MacOS, every app I used is inferior. Heck they don't even have a half-decent download manager compared to IDM, just one example for ya.
     
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    So I just read that I would need TPM 2.0? None of my systems have that, and since I ran it in VBOX, it didn't complain whatsoever so I don't know what gives? This sounds like another arbitrary "requirement". My M4800 and Zbook 15 G2 only have 1.2, and since I don't use it, it's enough.
     
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    that's a known bug in the leaked version. It's not a requirement. It will be fixed for insiders builds when they are released. You will be fine to run 11 on your machines once it's pubic.
     
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    Oh. I honestly didn't know this. Hopefully it'll be the case since the software I use isn't available for Linux, especially Affinity Photo, even tho I can switch to Resolve if need be. Also "pubic" ? :D
     
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    You know the YouTuber seems to have no tech knowledge? Did you even see the video and the comments?
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    A single website's click bite and a single Youtube video and you are saved/convinced. Yees, quite convincing isn't it?

    Windows 11 have taken over control of EC and can now tune the fans the way it want, LOOL

    And he look on single core Turbo, not all core turbo who create the physics scores. + his Time Spy Physics score from the i7-10875H is already heavly crippled in Win 10 test due wrong power plan/bloated OS. Same also for Geekbench.

    He even run two different Geekbench versions in his apple to apple testing. This benchmark is prone to scew the results all over the place if you use different versions (two diffrent versions can provide different results).

    He don't even know what Power plan he use for his tests. Stamp of proof = Failed!

    [​IMG]

    Edit. See my post here http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-11.836230/page-6#post-11101004

    Win 11 around 11% slower in CBR23, LOOL [​IMG] (tested on two different systems).
    [​IMG]
     
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    I use Affinity Photo on Windows 11, works perfectly
     
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    Well, all by itself, I can say with confidence that Linux is FAR SUPERIOR to Windows. What is NOT superior is the lack of software and generally inferior software that is available for Linux. The only legitimate purpose for an OS is to provide a basis for other software to be utilized. So, the OS is only a means to an end, not the primary focus. It should stay out of the way and cause no harm, and not draw attention to itself.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, what download manager has the ability to download streaming videos on Linux like IDM does on Windows?
     
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    I am not sure. There may or may not be one. I have not investigated. My need for it is limited. As far as I know, IDM has no real competition.
    Windows 11: Is Microsoft having its Spinal Tap moment?
    Microsoft has cranked the hype machine up to 11 for its next big Windows feature update. Prepare to be underwhelmed.
     
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    Right, I rely on IDM to download streaming videos heavily, serials, YouTube, etc.

    Even on MacOS, there is an app but it doesn't hold a candle next to IDM.

    Referring to Downie
     
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    Yes, when I need it, nothing is better. IDM has no match. It is fantastic for anyone that downloads lots of stuff, including YouTube videos. For my use patterns I seldom need it. So, I do not install it on every system. When I do need it then I boot into the OS on the system that has it. That is generally my crash dummy OS. I load it up with stuff and don't care how the performance is affected because I do not use that OS in scenarios where performance matters.

    It may be possible to run IDM under WINE. Maybe someday I will try it and see. I know the Chrome browser extension on Linux Chrome and Chromium functions.
     
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    Looks like it might be XDM. I haven't tested it since I don't really need it, but I might just so I know if it works as well.

    https://itsfoss.com/4-best-download-managers-for-linux/

    Those who turned from Windows to Linux, they are more likely to choose XDM because XDM has a similar user interface to IDM (Internet Download Manager). XDM is very easy to install and easy to use with many features. XDM latest version released last year with bug fixes. Here are some of the basic features of Xtreme Download Manager –
    • Resume Capability: XDM supports resume capability. To resume any downloading, select it and click resume. If download URL has expired then XDM gives the option to refresh URL.
    • Force Assemble: Force assemble is a nice feature in XDM. We often suffer from an error popping up on the completion of download that says ‘Files could not be assembled’ or any similar one. This option is very useful for assembling all the downloaded parts. Using this option with software or application downloading may give you an error when you execute that force assembled file. But using force assemble with videos is successful.
    • YouTube Video Downloader: You don’t need to install any other YouTube downloader for Linux because XDM has an inbuilt feature to download YouTube Videos. Just copy the URL and paste it and select the video quality and click download.
    • Browser Integration: XDM can be integrated with modern browsers like Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome etc.
    Edit: @Spartan@HIDevolution - I also found this: Install IDM on Linux
     
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    Windows 11 might improve performance, but don't believe the leaked benchmarks windowscentral.com | Today

    Exercise some caution around all of these leaks.

    Yep, I prefer to trust on myself :) @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix @Normimb @Spartan@HIDevolution

    Edit. Bro Spartan/Ultra Male/Phoenix/Matrix Leader/Matrix Leader6/Ferris23, !!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! good friend - today 21, June :)

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    Windows 11 planned as summer (co_release) and fall version (co_refresh)
    [​IMG] good Morning June 21, 2021 3:17 PM

    The next version of Windows 11 is certain. In advance there were rumors that we will get a Windows 11 summer version (co_release) (co = code name: Cobalt) and an autumn version (co_refresh) this year....

    Again as a note: the current 21996 that is in circulation is not fully equipped with the functions. That will be the 22000 and higher first. Everything is regulated by the Experience Packs that will be released, which Microsoft will then import. Because without it, Windows 11 is a perfectly normal Windows 10.
     
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    Well said. I've always thought the only purpose for an operating system is just that - operate the system. I think the last time I used an OS that worked like that was OS9 on the Mac…
     
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    Expecting the OS to be much more than that is similar to buying a Swiss Army knife with the intent that it will support your career as a mechanic. It can be handy to have in your pocket, but most of the time it is not the right tool for the job.
     
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    Holy sh*t, he's working for HIDevolution now, well congratulations to you Spartan/Matrix/ on that.... & happy birthday too! He's like a chameleon, always changing his skin! :D :)
     
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    thanks brother
     
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    No changes from their testing.
     
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    Good to know the performance difference between Windows 10 and 11 is within a small margin of error. It appears to be essentially zero.

    In this case, I wouldn't mind going to Windows 11 LTSC since I would still be getting my 20 fps increase over standard Windows 11 builds in CPU intensive games.

    Windows 11 seems to be a requirement for taking full advantage of the hardware resources in Intel's upcoming hybrid CPUs. I'm really looking forward to seeing another revision of the Clevo X170 with an Alder Lake CPU inside! I'm mainly just excited for the significant increase in single core performance coming with Alder Lake (we'll see if this pans out, I really hope it does).
     
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    Yep, the new lipstick won't help. The only differences I have seen with the testing of Win 11 is a more ugly and unpleasant UI.
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    Microsoft’s teaser hints at Windows 11’s new touch and gesture controls windowslatest.com - June 24, 2021

    The leaks haven't stopped Microsoft from teasing the upcoming Windows 11 features. On its social media platform, the company has again reminded fans of its upcoming Microsoft Event on June 24, with the latest teaser suggesting that Windows 11 features new touch and gesture controls. Yep, touch is the new as it was for Win 8.
     
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    Even though it's not scope of this topic. Sorry but Intel is lost in their game, they are not innovating at all anymore. I don't see Intel confidence at all. I remember old days when they showed the world how FinFet is done. When AMD struck them, they also had solid products to counter like 9900K, even leaks showed the confidence. That was upto 10900K and past that it's all steam gone. The IMC also got downgraded heavily, even Z590 Dark cannot make 11900K run at 4000MHz Gear 1 and that Gear system is going to stay on Intel platform.

    Now they are copying everything from AMD (Glue/Chiplet), Apple (BigLittle ARM design) couldn't get their head out of that lithography disaster so announced an escape card with the help of their mountain load of money, Intel Foundry Services, IDM 2.0. AMD on the other hand showed a flat-out 15% Performance boost with existing design on existing node with ZERO IPC and uArch changes. Even Dr. Ian Cutress from Anandtech is unimpressed with Intel due to no press on Alder Lake, and Intel doesn't know how to keep up lead in Microcontroller market they are buying up RISC-V and announced a new project.

    The only hope for Intel is Raptor Lake and Sapphire Rapids. If they fail to impress there, then it's game over for them. Remember, AMD Zen 4 based EPYC rumors are already up the max core count is purported to be 80-90Cores design up from 64Cores, without SMT, when we factor that AMD performance jump is going leaps ahead, in parallel to give Intel a shock, ARM announced new designs Neoverse V1 and N2 designs, Anandtech guesstimated performance is at EPYC Milan levels. Amazon Graviton 3 is inevitable now...

    Alder Lake is going to be hot. Also if rumors are correct, they are killing off AVX512. If Zen 4 brings it, then Intel is toast. And their purported ST IPC boost is not doing anything. Rocket Lake has hit 19% IPC gain but in the workload performance it was barely an inch above CML and Zen 3 still beat it in SMT.

    LTSC, I will wait what M$ unfolds. I want a Desktop OS, so LTSC Win10 is better direction. But I doubt that, still gotta see what is in their bag tmrw.
     
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