Windows 11

^I would say its like putting lipstick on a pig because that what it is at this point.

At least most of the comments in that article are aware about the bad things about Windows 11, the rest are just praising it because its good for tablet pcs and think new is always better

 

That is correct. Windoze 11 is for everyone. Just like a venereal disease.

 

A very good article from Geekreview. All should read it...

Microsoft’s Terrible Windows 11 Launch Risks Repeating the Windows 8 Disaster
https://www.reviewgeek.com/90550/how-microsoft-is-botching-the-windows-11-launch/


Is WSAPPX causing issues even on Windows 11? windowsreport.com
The list of issues for Windows 11 keeps growing, as users flag new ones on a daily basis.

Windows 11 comes with an optional TPM Diagnostics tool windowsreport.com
Windows 11 will ship with this optional software, tailored specifically for one of the OS's most criticized requirements.

 

I have no problem accepting that certain advanced features will need correspondingly advanced hardware capabilities. What I can't understand is why can't Microsoft make those advanced features optional. If I want an extra layer of security, I'll buy the required hardware. Otherwise I'll do with Windows 10 level of security. Similarly for the other stuff - Android subsystem, virtualisation, yada yada yada. If my hardware doesn't support it why can't Windows just say - sorry, this feature is unavailable on your system because ... instead of just locking me out of the entire OS altogether? Isn't that what they have been doing all these years? Fingerprint sign in - if my PC doesn't have a fingerprint reader, I can't use that feature - duh! Same with webcam, gamepad, scroll mouse, and a whole heap of other peripherals. What next? Will they make users buy a printer because without it the printing functionality won't work? Card reader? SIM card adapter?

 

It would seem that MS makes a lot of money on Windows thanks to OEM partners forcing people to pay for the OS. It would totally make sense for MS to help those partners by arbitrarily making older hardware obsolete and thus forcing new PC hardware spend. What end-products (us) want is of secondary importance at best.

 

Don't forget that Microsoft sell own hardware. Let you come back to the Store late fall/early next year for a new Joke help on the bottom line

Microsoft Surface Studio 2 – Technical Specifications

 

it's weird but i tried the new ISO
and 7TH CPU works normally

ISO from first page link is modded ??

 

They've lied in the same way in the past concerning compatibility. They say whatever they want people to believe knowing the the average Joe is going to assume it is accurate without fact checking anything to find out what is fact versus fiction. The same dumb-dumbs believe the media "fact checkers" that perpetuate their lies.

 

my first tested version of win11 was impossible to skip hw verification "minimal hw problem"
but I tried "build 51" here from the link and it works

not even considering an upgrade win11 "works fine" but support from MSI ???
better is modded win10 "no store /custom UAC" all ****s removed - all works fine

,,.,.and exist full compatible drivers / all software OLD/new -works normally
maybe if the drivers from win10 were fully functional .,,.and some unsigned drivers "flash-tools /car diagnostic" but I think it will be problematic

 

The "compatibility" thing is just a shameless scam. It is totally fabricated and exists only to serve their nefarious underlying agenda. This isn't the first time they have crafted lies in this manner. The only thing that is new is the Nazi effort to interfere with installation with crap like hardware verification.

When Windows 10 was released they lied and said newer hardware wasn't compatible with older versions of Windows and Windows 10 was required for proper function, but that was also a bald-faced lie. What they should have said is, "we don't care what people want and we are going to conspire with hardware OEMs to make things difficult for people that aren't eager to jump on the Windows 10 bandwagon." For example, my Z390 and Z490 systems work flawlessly with Windows 7 once you get past their deception tactics with cancer drivers. There is not a shred of integrity to be found in anything that these dishonest bastards do.

 

I think hate is appropriate for an OS designed for touchscreen feces when used on a non-touch system. The only thing that sucks worse is actually having a touch screen PC.

No. But it will be a free downgrade. I would question the intelligence of anyone that would spend money on it. Windows 11 is a shareware-grade software.

 

The only Windows where better hardware was really needed was Windows Vista. It wasn't all that bad as people made it out to be, but the jump in system requirements was massive. Naturally, people installing it on modest hardware which ran XP just fine were very disappointed and frustrated.
Windows 11 is not like that. I'm running it on a laptop from 2010 and I'm finding that it is snappier than Windows 10, for me at least. By the time the RTM comes out - in a few months? - it should be decent enough. Will I spend $1000-2000 to buy a new laptop just for it? Certainly not, but I'm going to be buying a new laptop soon anyway, so if that supports Windows 11, I won't mind moving to the new OS.

 

I agree about Vista. It was actually a really good OS as far as I am concerned. I had no issues with it, but I always had current hardware that far exceeded minimum system requirements. That makes perfect sense because Windows 11 has to be less hardware heavy because the hardware it is designed to support is mostly lame, low-powered garbage. If you look at the pathetic trash that dominates market share, Windows 11 could never be successful if it required very powerful hardware resources by current day standards.

As much as Micro$lop would hate to admit it, I am confident that Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP would support today's wimpy mainstream hardware extremely well. It would literally fly with the wimpiest junk tech world has to offer today. As pathetic as today's mainstream garbage might be, it is far more powerful than the flagship hardware of the prior era. Current mainstream hardware is only pathetic when measured against current flagship standards.

 

Well, Windows 11 seems to be a dumbed-down version of Windows 10, so you can apply that to Windows 11 as well.

With the leaked version I tested that was not accurate. It was the same. With the latest (just installed) I will determine if that "huge margin" is accurate or just click bait.

This method worked perfectly. Just did a clean install of the latest Insider cancer from the link @Spartan@HIDevolution posted and had no issues installing with no TPM, BIOS set to Legacy mode and no Secure Boot. Just burned the ISO to USB using Rufus using the old school method and viola.

Shift+F10 at the OS selection menu during setup. Switch to the USB drive and type the name of the reg file, then click the prompt to merge. Click next and there are no Nazi compliance checks to lie about Windows 11 not being compatible.

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\LabConfig]
"BypassTPMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck"=dword:00000001

So, we shall put the latest crash test dummy OS through the same testing as I have all of the previous defective versions of Windows 10.

I figured out how to get rid of the expanded touch-screen bloat crap view. Running the registry fix for the old Windows 10 Start menu allowed StartIsBack to work. It told me it was not intended for this version of Windows but I installed it anyway and it's working. Now I need to see if I can figure out how to make the taskbar transparency and toolbar option work like they are supposed to.

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ Explorer \ Advanced]

"Start_ShowClassicMode" = dword: 00000001

 

Looks like they moved a ton of stuff into Windows Tools, including Administrative Tools. Much more convenient with a PROPER Start menu, thanks to StartIsBack.

 

Have no time for the new dumbed down OS. I tested the leaked version and the gain was 2nd or was it 3rd place. Went back to 2019 LTSC and grabbed the 1th place for this piece of junk.

 

Oh, believe me, Brother @Papusan... I am still booting Windows 7, Windows 10 LTSC and Linux. If I am going to be critical of Windows 11 and rail on it for nonsense aside from the obvious (like Secure Boot and TPM stupidity) I have to level my scathing accusations from a position of strength. To do that I have to use it enough to identify everything that I hate about it and enumerate all of the functionality and performance issues it has. Same as Windows 8.X and prior versions of Windows 10. But, first things first. I have to get the atrociously ugly UI to an acceptable state so I can stomach the destructive testing process. Also currently farting around to get proper local network file sharing. The Redmond Retards starting stipping down that functionality to protect us from our own home networks about the time they vomited 19XX versions of Windows 10 on us.

 

Those icons is disgusting. This isn't an acceptable state for me. The ugly colors and design make me feel very bad. I just can't jump on this. Equal bad as the worse performance vs older Windows. See... Double bad.

Just see the difference. Its huge.

 

Yes, very much so. As I mentioned before... it's for the children. We can and should include this in the list of aesthetic atrocities. But, the ugliness of the icons is not as bad as the screwed up taskbar with its missing functionality and rounded corner crap.

 

Have you tried reverse the icon madness? CustomizerGod 1.7.6.1

From Spartans thread... How to get the new Windows 10 Icons

 

Not yet. Will test performance first.

 

Verdict: Click Bait... unfortunately. Lying Micro$oft fanboy media shill at Windows Central busted... again.

StartIsBack is working now after a registry tweak to kill the crappy new menu.

Spoiler: July 2015 Testing (Reference)

OK. Results are in...
10900K @ 5.2GHz
RAM at 4500 CL19-19-19-39 2T
RTX 3090 K|INGP|N XOC BIOS, no OC/offsets
GeFarts 471.11 Drivers on both OSes

Spoiler: Validation Images

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/cpu/49623/cpu/49886

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/21328985/spy/21331287

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1113389/pr/1113633

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/25856343/fs/25856929

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/6236654/sd/6236686

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/14507203/3dm11/14507483

Windows 11 Pro

Windows 10 LTSC

Windows 11 Pro

Windows 10 Pro LTSC

Windows 11 Pro

Windows 10 LTSC

Windows 11 Pro

Windows 10 LTSC

Windows 11 Pro

Windows 10 LTSC

July 2015 through July 2021 - No Progress. Just more ugliness, extra bloat, and less functionality.

Great job, Micro$lop!

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To end it on a positive note, Windows 11 performance is better than 1909 through 21H2 and close to the same as LTSC (essentially identical, with the point of weakness being CPU performance, as usual). So, while it does not fix Windows 11's aesthetic atrocities, it is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

 

Smoke and mirrors. I guess they are hoping to justify the improved performance claim through the addition of Direct Storage. The truth of the matter is that the system core is probably really well optimised at this point, so the only way to improve performance would be to start slimming Windows down, possibly by cutting out cancerous bloatware. Unfortunately that would require a strategic 180 deg turn, so it won't realistically happen, as too many end-products don't care.

 

Could you try the comparison after disabling Windows Defender? You can use Defender Control. I have a suspicion that Windows 11 has a much more aggressive Windows Defender which might be skewing the results.

 

Bro Fox normally never use AV software while he bench or run tests as this. Neither do I.

 

If I were running those benchmarks in an effort to achieve a high score for each operating system I would have tweaked things. For benching I normally disable lots of services and processes, including any type of security software. However, in both cases I left all default services and processes enabled in order to get an apples versus apples comparison that would more closely mirror what most people should expect to see in real world usage. Most people do not run without any kind of security software or antivirus protection as I often do because they are fearful of what might happen if they do. Had I optimized the results for either operating system it would have skewed the comparison.

I was also careful to use the same graphic and networking driver versions, Windows power plan and NVIDIA Control Panel settings for both operating systems because all of them can have a measurable effect on performance.

 

Thanks for the performance testing! This gives us a pretty accurate overview of the performance differences between the two operating systems.

Considering how well Win11 Pro holds up against Win10 LTSC, this gives me hope that Win11 LTSC may outperform Win10 LTSC. I really hope this is the case, otherwise there's no reason to move to Windows 11.

 

Win11 LTSC is a big commitment for M$ not even Windows 10 had an LTSC on the 1511 RTM release which was first Win10 version. I'm not expecting it but given how they changed all of their QA process to non existence and shoved this WaaS garbage onto all of the x86 PCs and infected them with their spyware and bloatware it's possible that Win11 RTM might have an LTSC. I'm waiting for the new LTSC news as well whether it will be on 10 or 11. This is even more important because with Ryzen processors Win10 LTSC 1809 is outdated. Needs a new patch for "Ryzen Power Plan" and UEFI BIOS options as well that comes with Win10 1903 to make the scheduler work properly.

 

My only reason for asking was to get some insight into this.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55133141
They're going to require a high end camera for Win 11 laptops by 2023?

 

This is just a huge breach of privacy and another arbitrary requirement.

 

I guess we can be thankful that we are not stuck also buying the hardware from them like we would be with crApple. It somewhat makes sense in a monopolistic ecosystem with a customer base like that one.

 

I read somewhere that Mark Zuckerberg (the Facebook guy) has an opaque sticker covering the camera lens that he removes only when he actually has to use the camera.
The new Dell laptop I got for my niece a few months ago has a shutter that you can slide to the shut position to block the camera lens.

Unless your company requires you to have your camera on while you are working, there is no way this productivity thing can be a workable thing. The privacy issues are mind boggling - there are already plenty of videos on the internet of people caught changing their clothes not realising that their camera was still on. Even Amazon drew flak for this when someone hacked the Amazon Ring device.

 

I think they have to do this because governments are no longer willing to pay for low quality citizen surveillance photos and videos. These laptops and smartphones get into places that drones can't go and having high quality images is an absolute must.

Edit: I guess everyone will need to remember to add one of these to their Amazon cart when buying a new turdbook. https://www.amazon.com/Junyulim-Vendetta-Masquerade-Halloween-Cosplay/dp/B087V76JYG

In this case wearing a mask might have more merit than COVID prevention.

 

Some vendors like hidevolution removes those at no cost to the buyer if they wish

 

How does that help matters if the OS demands that it be there? The cameras are not the problem. The fact that it will be under someone else's control - that's what's scary. Maybe we need a camera emulator that will tell the OS that an HD camera is indeed present. It could have a video running in a loop showing the face of Satya Nadella.

 

Even as a member of the younger generation, I would never install any smart home crap in my house if I had my own. It's unnecessary and doesn't allow me to do anything I can't already do without those devices.

If anything, smart home devices just open up another possible vector of attack on you, which is something many consumers don't seem to understand. They just see something high tech, think it's cool, and want it because of that. These devices are useful in an absolute sense, but in this case, the older way of doing things (having regular dumb appliances) isn't any less efficient or useful than the new way. A refrigerator only needs to keep food cold, it doesn't need to do anything else.

I have the best security system: a loud dog and martial arts training.

 

Put it this way... If you cut the cables to the camera or the camera crap out, Windows will still work. They can't demands that the camera/microphone has to work.

 

Since I don't use a webcam at all, I've had the cable to it disconnected on my M4800 when I swapped the LCD.

 

Smith and Wesson are also pretty effective. Louder than a dog, but no contact required.

Another option if you think you are being watched is to intentionally say and do things that the people watching do not like just to irk the living crap out of them.

I do the "hey Google" thing on my phone with statements, questions and opinions that I know are diametrically opposed to their agenda and I Google search for things that I know they totally hate so that my position, opinions and opposition to their narrative become a matter of record. I do this randomly and for no reason. Sometimes when I do this I get a prompt from Google that asks me to verify my identity because they detect "unusual behavior" LOL.

 

Why do they want you to have a camera? They want to link your face to your account. Windows Hello won't sign you in unless the camera sees your face. That's where they're going with this. They're already quite insistent that you use a Microsoft account to sign in - I could still use a local account (I have Windows Pro - the Home users don't have that choice) but I got prompted/nagged to use a Microsoft account about half a dozen times during setup itself. So if they change the sign-in scheme to insist that your camera be on and looking at you, then yes, they can demand that.

Btw. since we are on the subject, more and more routers and ISPs are becoming IPv6 capable. IPv6 gives each of your devices a unique IP address. No more hiding behind your router's NAT and claiming someone must have hacked your WiFi. My ISP uses multi level IPv4 NAT - literally thousands of people use the same IPv4 IP address that I do - but my IPv6 IP address is unique.

HWID, TPM, IPv6 address, facial recognition, location sensing, fingerprint ... these all tie in together to uniquely identify you to the OS. And then when you use that OS, you reveal to it your multiple email IDs, your bank accounts, your credit cards, your phone numbers, etc. etc. etc. All in all, a nice dossier on you - what would take a private investigator weeks to compile.

 

First. You can't install Windows 11 Home Cancer Edition with an local account the official way But you can change after you have installed Windows 11. A fantastic solution to try lure you into their trap.

You mean you'll be locked out from sign in into Windows if your camera go up into hardware heaven? I doub't that. This would mean you risk being without an computer several weeks before it being repaired Out of warranty... Search up new HW then repair it take time.

 

Indeed. That's worth a lot of money. Little did any of us know that a movie released on June 17, 2002 would turn out to be a prophecy in terms of biometrics and identity abuse.

 

Yeah it's hella scary how supposedly normal people love all this facial rec tech/fingerprint right over always network connected devices, regardless of "airplane" mode etc. They've now got you with a mask and without too, facemasks don't hide from the eyes anymore. IDK it's going like that, change the society and the youths don't know any different so it's all "normal" to them, dam history etc scary all over now.

 

Nah they've had this sort of stuff planned for a long time, no prophecy involved.

 

The tough part is figuring out which group you want to be in.
1. Either you're a part of a very large group that doesn't care about their privacy, and gives Microsoft unrestricted access.
OR
2. You're a part of a much smaller group that does care, and takes extraordinary measures to deny Microsoft the data it wants.

In the first group, there is some degree of anonymity - you're more or less lost in the crowd.
In the second group, you're likely to be subjected to more intense scrutiny. Why is he hiding his details? Is he doing something illegal or nefarious? Is he hiding it because he has something worth hiding? Decades ago, a terrorist sleeper cell was busted because its members were using anonymous proxies to communicate. The proxies were anonymous, but it was possible to detect that proxies were being used, and that begged the question why were they being so secretive.

 

I was using the word "prophecy" in sort of a metaphorical or tongue-in-cheek way. The point being, in 2002 a lot of what was seen in Minority Report was sci-fi pie in the sky that seemed far fetched and now it is in the early stages of actually taking place. And, it is taking place in ways that are nefarious rather than wholly beneficial... also like Minority Report. The more "progress" we make with tech, the more dangerous our world becomes. It is a double-edged sword that will likely do more harm than good.

In so many ways it plays into the caustic retarded woke cancel culture unfolding before us. If you don't ascribe to the ludicrous narrative of the self-anointed brain trust they will make every effort to blacklist and destroy those who resist their nonsense.

 

The Minority Report scenario is playing out in China as we speak.

 

For once got somewhat uptodate hardware, the Precision 5540, but with w11 requirements was still expecting a bunch of potential stupid problems from ms. Quite nice to get an all green, seemingly futureproof.

Zero rush to install anything else over the current 10 ltsc, but good to know some eventual w11 based ltsc will (probably) work fine without any headaches or workarounds. And got the possibility of doing some w11 test installs along the way.

 

It will still be interesting to find out about my question that is unanswered as well. That question is: Can you enable Secure Boot and TPM just long enough to complete the installation and then disable Secure Boot and TPM after the installation, or did they do any kind of Nazi crap that would make the system only able to boot Windows 11 if they stay permanently enabled? (This has never been a problem in the past, but who knows what kind of unexpected nonsense and unpleasant surprises the sheeple might get blindsided by.)