Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

And some bad news; http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html

Seems M$ is forcing Intel and AMD to quit support for windows 7 and 8 for their new chips KabyLake and Zen.

 

Hi, I've read some bits and it seems Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 are going to have cumulative updates as well. right? I'm going to receive a new motherboard tomorrow for my Alienware 17 r2 970m meaning it will come with Windows 8.1 digital entitlement. Is it worth it to go back to Windows 8.1 or I'll just keep my Windows 10? I don't have problems of my Windows 10 as of the moment. Also I think I can get the free Windows 10 License by saving my activation key from my Microsoft account and load it to the new motherboard.

 

If W10 is working good then stay with it. Check out these two threads
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nbr-windows-10-clean-installation-guide.781178/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-tweaks-and-fixes-index-post-1.779394/

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Hi Everyone
Since the big problems about “Microsoft Virus 10” (Codename: Pusher) seems to vanish, Microsoft has started a new big problem: The Monthly Rollup, beginning with the October 2016 update.

The nature of this ”Windows Service Model” gives MS full control over our Windows 7/8.1(/10!) computers. At any time MS can createa ”Ups/**** happens” update that will reset all of our security setting. MS will immediately receive all telemetry/spying information’s after the update/next boot. So what to do?

I chose to stop updating my Win 7/8.1 and rely on antivirus/firewall/malware programs in the future.
(no ”Security-Only Update Monthly Rollup” either).

But that leaves me with 2 problems:
1. Should I make my last security update the September Patch Tuesday update?
No. Paranoid as I am, I don’t thrust MS not to make a ”Ups/**** happens” update. Or, perhaps install a logic bomb that will trigger if I don’t do the October Monthly Rollup. (Perhaps MS already have done this.

2. What if I get a virus at a later time and have to make a clean install of Win 7/8.1?
Well, using ” WSUS Offline Update” I have downloaded all (?)(wsusscn2.cab) security updates for all platforms.
(Yes, Windows, Office, x86 and x64 . Even XP and Office 2003 ;-) Who knows? They might be handy at some times. Yes, I will probably end up writing in cuneiform and using carrier pidgeons Or maybe a Linux distribution. A Linux Live CD should do the trick

I now got 239 Win 7 x64 security updates, (including 3 IE11 . Of the remaining 236 updates, 5 of them are in Phoenix’s list on page 1:

KB2670838 (The EVIL Update)
KB2882822 (Very fishy update that just popped up with not enough detail about it)
Kb3042058 (Microsoft claims its a security update but it contains Winlogon Spying)
Kb3086255 (Flagged as an Important update. It disables SafeDisc games in Windows Vista, 7, and 8/8.1)
KB3138612 (Fishy update to for Windows Updates)

For Win 8.1 x64 the numbers are
199 updates, including 4 bad ones:

Kb3042058 (Microsoft claims its a security update but it contains Winlogon Spying)
Kb3086255 (Flagged as an Important update. It disables SafeDisc games in Windows Vista, 7, and 8/8.1)
Kb3088195 (Miscorosft Claims it's a security update but also has a key logger on the Kernel Level)
KB3138615 ( ?)

I got rid of the bad updates this way:
After downloading the updates with “WSUS Offline Update” I found the updates in the “\WSUS Offline Update 10.7.3\wsusoffline\client\ w63-x64\glb” directory.
( w63-x64 is for Win 8.1 x64).( w61-x64 is for Win 7 x64!).

I copied the files in the glb directory to a safe place e.g.: D:\win81
Then I just plain copied Phoenix’s bad list on page 1 to a .txt file and named it: bad.txt (D:\bad.txt)
I then made a .bat file called: remove.bat (D:\remove.bat)
remove.bat had only one line:

for /f %%X in (bad.txt) do del D:\win81\*%%X*

Then open a Command Prompt and run remove.bat. That should leave you with all the god Win 8.1 security updates in “D:\win81”.

For Win 7 you would use the files in the: ”\client\w61-x64\glb” directory, but remember to delete all (3) the IE11 files manually!

You can add any KB files you want to delete to bad.txt, but remember that there must not be any space between KB and the number,

e.g.: KB31xxxx NOT KB 31xxxx. If you have a space, you will delete all the KB-files

Now I have all the (presumably!) god security updates which I will store in a secure place for later use

If you made it this far I hope it’s understandable. I’m not used to write in English. My background is a …

… ups, I have to leave, I can hear the warden! This is a mean asylum. Many, many psycho’s trying to infest my Intel 80286, DOS 3.3 with malware, spyware, ransomware and Monthly Rollups

p10n338

 

What is hiding behind this patch http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/21/kb3184143-update-remove-get-windows-10/

 

That nightmare may be over, but with this

a new plague just started

 

Join me The plague is Locked and closed. For many months already!! Why let M$ ruin your life?

 

KB3184143 Update to remove Get Windows 10 offer out

 

A bit late bro http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...sable-telemetry.780476/page-106#post-10346642

 

Spot on. The Windows 10 nagware was the best advertisement for disabling/decreasing the settings of Windows Update in years, possibly ever. I did exactly that when I switched to Windows 8.1 this summer - I only installed security updates plus one non-security update to avoid the Windows 10 prompts and telemetry. If they updates had been easily grouped, I probably would've installed the unrelated non-security updates as well (bug fixes, performance, and so forth), but since they're even harder to sift through in 8.1 than XP, I just skipped them all.

Thanks to this guide (and the end of the Windows 10 upgrade program), I plan to install many of the remaining patches, but I'll likely ignore the monthly rollups when they come this fall. I've already been fine running XP post-April-2014 on various computers for a few years, so I'm hardly overly concerned about skipping the monthly updates, and would rather do that than concede to Microsoft's update plan that I disagree with.

They also definitely lost some goodwill with me when they announced the monthly rollups, as one of the reasons I did buy Windows 8.1 was specifically because I'd be able to get updates with the ability to control which ones I installed until 2023, and with Windows 10 out a year I didn't expect to have any required Service Pack level upgrade for at least a good chunk of that time. But apparently I put too much faith in Microsoft's prior commitment to supporting their operating systems as originally planned for their lifecycles.

And Woody's right about it being a change, too. With XP I'd always install all the security updates - occasionally slightly late, but never intentionally skipping one - and a high percentage of Recommended/Optional ones as well. It was only really with Win10/telemetry that I started intentionally skipping updates over the long term on a currently-supported operating system.

 

Phoenix....any chance you can update those links?

 

which links bro?

 

Oh never mind...its is just ads......my bad.

 

Detested 'Get Windows 10' snooping patch KB 2952664 reappears

 

<to drive Windows' reputation even deeper into the dirt.> Is this possible? Of course the M$ Morons will try more of their ****... Win Crap X don't grow as they hoped

 

^^^ & 8.1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/2976978 recommended

 

Microsoft resurrects Telemetry updates KB2952664 and KB2976978

 

Martin Brinkmann said... <The past year has not been easy for system owners or administrators on devices running Windows 7 or Windows 8 who don't want their systems to be upgraded to Windows 10.>
He should used better words. More like this... *The past year has been A LIVING HELL for system owners or administrators on devices running Windows 7 or Windows 8 who don't want their systems to be upgraded to Windows 10.*
And @hmscott You remembering what I said to you when the Redmond Morons stopped the Win crap X campaign late July this year?

 

I am just not to sure about the living part! I think when you die and go to that dark and hot place there is a computer terminal there with a never ending looped W10 install just waiting there. So we are just getting a preview of what is to come.

 

What if we are already there.... ?

 

More on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 servicing changes

There's a lot of information in that post. Thought this part was notable:

So by early 2017 you won't be able to avoid the old unwanted telemetry updates on new installs unless you've saved older updates or are using custom images/update packs. I'm hoping simplix and the people at MDL will find a way to navigate the new update model, maybe to strip out the unwanted updates from the rollups.

Another thought - how the hell is this going to work when new Windows 7 installations can't even find updates unless you manually install specific patches first? This seems like it is going to cause more problems than before. Time will tell, I suppose.

 

Only reason for this mess... Force people over to Win Crap X. Quite ingenious It is strange that Micro$oft did not start with this earlier

 

That's false. If you looked at their steps, all old updates are installed up to this point. After that, it is combined. Considering they've previously put a telemetry update in a security update, you may want to just stop updates.

Although, if you have a problem with their rollup, their attitude is tough ****!

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

Or, you know, just use some firewall rules to block all communications with the telemetry servers as I've suggested previously.

 

@Phoenix: In light of the new patch apocalypse that awaits us Windows 7[and/or Windows 8.1] users, would it be possible to have a dedicated thread were kind people could give direct links to the new Security updates only, the ones that are available exclusively via WSUS/Windows update catalog?

 

Just Google "Simplix Pack" bro. It's a full pack that is always updated and only has the good updates

 

I was thinking about this and what if it is the opposite of what we are expecting. During the free upgrade there were tons of information being monitored and kept that they wanted. That from systems possibly getting the upgrade that is. It may be hat M$ no longer wants to spend money, time or resources on that data. Also M$ may want to stop telemetry claims from people of the older OS versions.

Best way to do this is over wright all those original telemetry files with new sterilized files. This way the system is clean for now and ready for a later intrusion.........

 

An interesting overview of the future of updating.
"The coming changes are big, welcomed by some, and feared by others"
Looks like avoiding spyware and telemetry related stuff won't be easy.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...ahead-of-first-monthly-windows-patch-rollups/

 

Good summary of where we are and what people should do depending on their choice to either take the monthly roll-ups or just security-only updates (or no updates at all).

How to prepare for the Windows 7/8.1 ‘patchocalypse’

I'm going to wait and see what happens and how this affects projects like Simplix.

 

Backup,Backup, Backup and forget win updates. Have worked before and will still work great for me

 

Agreed. I'm patched up to this point, excluding the "bad" telemetry updates and a few other unnecessary ones. Made image backups and I feel okay with taking a break from Windows Update for at least a month or two...potentially much longer.

 

Like I keep saying, just block the telemetry traffic with a firewall. It doesn't matter how many telemetry points Microsoft create when none of them can phone home.

 

One thing with that if you are benching: IT STILL CAUSES OVERHEAD! For regular everyday use, that is fine. For number chasers, just stop all updates, keep the AV up to date, and go from there. I have a copy of 7 pro, 8.1 pro, and 10 enterprise solely for the purpose of benching. I have 7 Pro and 10 Pro for everyday usage. The latter is fine to just block them, but the former it causes overhead, even if minimal.

 

I think he meant investing in an external decent firewall with at least IPS capabilities (imho ... everyone should be doing that anyways).

Same goes setting your DC and hosting your own WSUS. (Basically, the purpose of a Pro and Enterprise copies)

 

Ideally, yes, but even the Windows firewall will suffice.

On the other hand, no firewall will alleviate the performance hits from telemetry points since those are baked into the OS.

 

PATCHOCALYPSE IS HERE!

Don’t install any updates yet – but here’s where to find them @ AskWoody

Microsoft Security Bulletins October 2016 - gHacks Tech News

https://forums.mydigitallife.info/t...ory/page1081?p=1282311&highlight=#post1282311

https://forums.mydigitallife.info/t...tory/page341?p=1282310&highlight=#post1282310

 

I agree with your points to a degree. Blocking it being sent alleviates some overhead, but not all overhead as the data is still collected, just unable to send... I missed the lean and clean tech preview of win 10 before they added Cortana or telemetry crap...

I'll need to go through and play with my builds in the coming weeks anyways...

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I am well aware of the Simplix Pack but downloading 600+ MB of patches just for 10-20 MB worth of security hotfixes is somewhat cumbersome In October 2017, the same thing will happen to everyone who is still on Windows 7/8.1. If we give in to the cumulative rollup system, next October Windows update will download the whole rollup from today to that date - 12 months worth of patches, just for the very few that are released that month.

That's why I considered having a dedicated thread to only the security rollup would be a good idea since a lot of us want to be safe but not give in to Microsoft demands or take the least amount of risk for our system to become unstable. Of course, we should wait at least 2-3 days before applying even the security patch since who knows what they managed to screw up this time, or what unfixed bug they've carried from the previous month security patch.

The first 3 cumulative updates that were implemented this year have proven that Microsoft will carry the bugs from one month, or from one separate security update, into the next month's rollup. They had 3 occasions to prove us that we can trust them on this new system of updates, and they failed miserably every single time.

As such, I will limit myself to only the monthly security hotfix, with the added caveat that I will wait patiently until I see no BSOD epidemic in the news. Hence, the winning KB this month for me is KB3192391, which surprisingly isn't restricted to Windows Catalog and WSUS as initially announced. Did they change their mind and realized that forcing us to use the Catalog is a bad idea? Or did they forget to delete the links from the KB article? We'll know soon enough.

 

Thanks @inm8#2

Woody seems to be on top of this disastrous future...

MS-DEFCON 2:
Patch reliability is unclear. Unless you have an immediate pressing need to install a specific patch, don't do it.
https://www.askwoody.com/ms-defcon-system/

Don’t install any updates yet – but here’s where to find them
Posted on October 11th, 2016 at 12:11 woody - 60 comments
https://www.askwoody.com/2016/dont-install-any-updates-yet-but-heres-where-to-find-them/

"We’re going to be discussing today’s patches, but DON’T ASSUME THAT YOU SHOULD INSTALL THEM.

You have plenty of time to wait and see if they break anything.

With that as prolog, addobi86 just provided info for the two patches that’ll be on everyone’s minds.

The security-only Win 7 Oct 2016 patch is KB3192391. You can find it here:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Rss.aspx?q=KB3192391

The security-only Win 8.1 Oct 2016 patch is KB3192392. Find it here:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Rss.aspx?q=KB3192392

There’s also a security Win 8.1 patch for Flash, KB3194343 and it’s here:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Rss.aspx?q=KB3194343

Windows Update in Win7 now showing Oct 2016 “Security Monthly Quality Rollup” (in other words, the security + non-security cumulative update) KB 3185330 and Oct 2016 “Security and Quality Rollup for .NET” KB 3188740. No surprises.

And our good friend KB 2952664 – the detested snooping patch – is back, as a Recommended, optional patch.

Look but don’t touch, OK?

The Security Bulletins are up. They don’t include KB numbers, as expected, but I continue to wonder… how will Vista users install security patches?"

 

Safest Win Os in history, YEEES

 

This looks like an interesting thread to follow:

Windows 7 Update solution
Canadian Tech started on August 19, 2016

UPDATE, October 11, 2016. Stay away from Windows Update today and for the foreseeable future. Set your Windows Update setting to Never. Wonky things are happening in Windows Update. We need to find a way to keep our Windows 7 systems -- Windows 7 and under our control. Hopefully, we will find a way and publish it.

Start of the thread - CT keeps it updated
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...=1&msgId=6f6a0186-f1a9-49d6-b750-65a6f7793c7a

Current end of thread:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...45&msgId=6f6a0186-f1a9-49d6-b750-65a6f7793c7a

Found here:

Windows Update is wonky this morning
https://www.askwoody.com/2016/windows-update-is-wonky-this-morning/

 

Win 7, 8.1 “C” Tuesday patch rollup previews are out – KB 3192403, 3192404

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3192403
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3192404

(more info at each KB article)

Additional clarification from aboddi1406 @ MyDigitalLife.

I for one am SHOCKED that Microsoft, who spent the last 1.5 years aggressively pushing telemetry on Windows 7 and 8.1 machines in their hellbent GWX campaign then later changed the update model on Win 7 and 8.1 from individual patching to cumulative roll-ups (especially strange for Win 7 which is out of mainstream support phase and should not have any major changes like this), is now using those roll-ups to sneak in old unwanted telemetry updates that users previously uninstalled and/or blocked while reassuring those users that all-in-one updating is for their own benefit to make patching easier and reduce fragmentation across Windows systems (you know, the fragmentation Microsoft created by losing trust with Windows users due to said telemetry and GWX methods).

edit - two articles went up today

KB3192403, KB3192404, and KB3192406: Quality Rollup previews (Ghacks)

Microsoft previews telemetry push with new Win7/8.1 patches KB 3192403, 3192404 (Infoworld)

Again, SHOCKED.

edit 2 - more reading

How will Microsoft fix bugs that security updates introduce? (Ghacks)

Windows users face massive update bloat, tough choices (PC World)

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/2976978 showed up again here, the delusory "Compatibility update for keeping Windows up-to-date in Windows 8.1 and Windows 8"

 

IE10 BlockerToolkit link no mre, anyone have new link?

 

Stop Windows 10 Spying & Forced Application Installs


Barnacules Nerdgasm
Published on Nov 22, 2016
"After installing the Windows Anniversary Update for Windows 10 it would seem we picked up a lot more than we bargained for.

There is a feature now that allows Microsoft to quietly install popular games and apps from the Microsoft Store without your consent or knowledge, eating up your bandwidth and hard drive space and potentially putting you at risk.

I am calling Microsoft out in this video for this bad practice and also telling you how to disable it so it won't continue to happen.

I also tell you how to fortify your Windows 10 to prevent telemetry and data gathering moving forward by Microsoft. "

Spoiler: Original Stop Windows 10 Spying Video

Stop Windows 10 Spying - Privacy & Security Matter
Published on Nov 20, 2015
In this version episode of #TechTip I show you how to disable all of the spying features of Windows 10 and get your privacy back. I think Windows 10 is a great operating system once you disable all the data gathering mechanisms and return it back to a pure operating system.

Spoiler: How to in 01:46, turn down sound - no speech

Disable Spying In Windows 10 -November Update-

Dragon Seth
Published on Nov 23, 2016
"Hello and welcome to video my video to show you how to disable windows 10 spying. As many people have been having issues with the new update a.k.a anniversary update has been installing random apps Example: Candy Crush Saga. I show you how to stop that. And i also show you how to stop microsoft from collecting data from your machine."

Spoiler: majorgeeks DWS walkthrough

Destroy Windows 10 Spying Walkthrough

 

Spoiler

Have anybody who blocked all this stuff noticed anything unworking?

 

I gave it a shot. My system became bogged down. I use a Retail win7 key (no Auto-KMS). I didn't have much time to delve into looking at my resource monitor... but Task Manager probably had double the typical Svchost.exe processes running . A cursory glance at resources looked like Windows was trying like hell to verify the build/authenticity. I also keep my SearchIndexer enabled, and it was using double, typical memory.

Since I didn't have much time to F-around w/ figuring it out, I just reverted back to my pre new-hosts/firewall config. Now I'm not waiting a nanosecond, things are good. One of these days I'm going to look at Wireshark when I have the time. Anyways, Im curious others take on this hosts/firewall config too... give it a try if inclined. Thanks!

 

Thanks for your experience.

That's what I am doing right now: I am building statistics in Wireshark, and cut out suspicious IPs, checking if smth broke down or not.