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    Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 23, 2015.

  1. Falco152

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    I hate debugging scripts with weak types the most or designed for non-programmers use.
    No idea why my absorption is really slow with them.

    Well, isHidden does exist and is defined, so its either non writable or permission not available as TANWare said.
    That search query takes ~20-40mins in debug mode.
     
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  2. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    I am about to give up and just rely on manually hiding the updates myself :(
     
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    Forbes: Microhard Forces Windows 10 Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8
    "a user who'd never 'reserved' a copy of 10 in the first place found a large 6GB download sitting in the $Windows.~BT hidden directory, & a series of failed “Upgrade to 10″ tasks in WinUpdate’s history". This Is causing a stir, ya think? A screenshot showed W10 trying to upgrade to itself 10times in a row - all failed - but wiped all of dude's restore points out in the process, lol.
    "... Macro$haft confirmed that it automatically downloads W10 installation files on eligible PCs, provided automatic updates are enabled through WinUpdate. The download occurs even if users haven’t opted in through the W10 Reservation dialog". Lovely. Turn auto-updates off ...
    Micro$lap Will Download 10 Without Your Consent: Here's How To Remove It
    How to stop 10 from automatically downloading on to your computer

    read the above online advice, or, in Win se7en at least, try Windows Explorer (or similar) > Organize > Folder & Search Options > View > ShowHiddenFiles (apply) & uncheck 'Hide System Files' (apply), then look for the 'hidden' $Windows.~BT & if it's there deal with it. When you're done, re-hide your system files if you like. This pc isn't infected by it, I can't speak for my others yet. In the meantime, search $Windows.~BT reports surfacing in the past few days/weeks to vet the information & related info for yourself
     
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    I'm so glad I run Enterprise, which isn't eligible for the free upgrade.
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It's a good thing to check back here before applying updates each week.

    Found 2 more trying to get through:
    KB3075853
    KB3065988

    Thanks :)
     
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    This one isn't in the list, KB3050267, but it is recommended to remove as it was part of preperation for Windows 10 Technical Preview, which I never tried in any Windows 8.1 install, only as VM's, but for some reason it is available right now as an Optional Install. Not gonna install it.

    KB3050267 is listed here, with another KB for Windows 8 and 2 others for Windows 7:

    How To Uninstall to Remove Windows 10 Technical Preview from Windows Update in Windows 7 and 8.1
    http://www.nextofwindows.com/how-to...view-from-windows-update-in-windows-7-and-8-1

    And, now Windows Update comes back clean, here are the KB's I am hiding/blocking:
    hidden updates for Windows 8.1 8-13-15.JPG
     
  7. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    good interception hawk :D
     
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    This actually sounds like a good update, it adds the option in Group Policy to disable the update to Windows 10 just like one of the Windows 7 updates did (forgot its number). So yes it does add the option to download Windows 10 but it also adds the Group Policy to disable the Windows 10 upgrade altogether. I had it installed on my Windows 7 and disabled Windows 10 upgrade via Group Policy Editor and never saw any signs of Windows 10 being automatically downloaded on my computer so I actually left it out of the list of bad updates on purpose.

    Read this:

    KB3050267


    • A change is made on the log level for %windir%\WindowsUpdate.log to reduce the frequency of certain events from exhausting log space.
    • Fixes an issue for managed computers in which managed computers have to update drivers as a set. Driver sets are not processed by Windows Update during shutdown, and are still available to be installed after you restart the computer.
    • Fixes an issue in which the files of an update may not be found by Windows Update (0x80070002) if the download operation spans multiple sessions.
    • General improvements are made to support upgrades to Windows 10.
    • This update installs a new Group Policy object that enables you to block upgrades to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update.

      Microsoft is making Windows 10 available for free for one year from the date of availability to Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers for non-Enterprise editions. If you have Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 Pro deployed in your organization, Windows 10 will be offered to you. Computers that have this Group Policy object enabled will never detect, download, or install an upgrade to the latest version of Windows.

      You can configure this Group Policy object by using Group Policy (if the update is installed and if you use the updated WindowsUpdate.admx file by copying the file from where the editing policy is located). You can also do this by going to Computer Configuration > Policies > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update, double-clicking Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update, and then clicking Enabled.

      Policy path Computer Configuration / Administrative Templates / Windows Components / Windows Update

      Policy setting Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update (enabled or disabled)
      To suppress this offer through the registry, set the following registry key:
      HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
      DWORD: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

    I now added it to the list with an explanation that it does add the option to disable Windows 10 upgrade in GPEDIT. Thank you for collaborating in improving this guide. Rep added.
     
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    KB3074677, KB3078667, KB3081437, KB3081451, KB3081454 added to the main list (I don't know for which OS 7 or 8 they are though so you'll just have to watch them closely) added to the OP, this is getting really hard guys......

    we have more than 15 updates now that want to force the upgrade to Windows 10....... I think Micro$h4ft want us to finally give up and give in to upgrading.......
     
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    Hell will freeze over first as far as I'm concerned, multiple times over.

    Lockdown time.
     
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    Not going to happen. While I still think most people don't care, there seems to be a good number of people who are not giving in.

    I think/hope there will be something like Classic Shell for Windows 10 that will address the "overreach" and turn this OS into what it should have been from the start [no pun].
     
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    Hey guys I don't know if it was a glitch in the system with Microsoft or my laptop but I just did a manual check for updates so I could keep up with thread and it threw an error saying having problem checking for updates. So I closed windows update and reopened it and when I did it said last time checked for updates = never.
    Last time installed updates = never and it erased all my hidden updates so when I checked for updates it came up again with all the ones I hid in this thread. So I had to go back through them all again and rehid them.

    Anyway just thought I would share. Could of just been a fluck.
    But you never know. Lol
     
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    What setting do you guys use for updates with windows 7 or 8.1?
    1 - never check for updates.
    And just do it when you want to manually.
    2- check for updates but let me choose wether to download and install.

    I was using #2 but I'm thinking of switching to # 1.
     
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  14. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    #1 ;)
     
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    #2

    And I just took a fat one about an hour ago*

    *Ain't no such thing as TMI
     
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    I would say that what the OS looks and feels like should be the least of your concerns with Windows 10 - if it were simply just that, it'd be no worse than Windows 8.x.

    The fact that you have no control whatsoever over a Windows 10 computer is a much bigger problem. Like the spyware updates that we're talking about removing in this thread? Well, all of it - and much more - is baked into Windows 10 so you don't even have a choice.
     
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    You missed a number #4 go back to 7 or 8.1 or use #1
     
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    When I wrote "overreach" I was talking of the spying not the layout...
    Classic Shell made 8 a much better OS so something like Classic Shell for the spying...
     
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    I am using 8.1 . I never installed win 10 .
    Sorry I should of said I was using win 8.1 when I originally ask the question.
     
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    What happens when "they" realize the circumvention?
     
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    Then we will just work around the next thing they throw at us. That's why we are here...
     
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    Thankfully unlike the jailbreaking cat and mouse game their hands are somewhat tied here since going too far would piss off their enterprise customers, so they'll most likely have to just let it slide whether they like it or not.
     
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    I have the feeling you right.

    Which reminds me... MATRIX LEADER LEADS... And thank you for feedback post.
    Hopefully, the fix is not too short-lived in the countermeasure dept.

    Any insight into these Top Three Q's...
    Turning off Automatic Updates does concern me. I would be surprised if they didn't have a "backdoor," if prompted. It's like trusting the "Remove History" function. lol.

    With XP... the o.s. was vulnerable if deprived too long.

    - Are later MS O.S.'s share that same attribute?

    - And if true, Any advice keeping a healthy O.S.?

    - Are they doing the this win 10 cr@p on Win 7, 8, 8.1 32bit O.S.'s as well?

    Maybe an Idea here from the chimp section....
    I wonder if a the whole process outlined in matrix leader's fix can be scripted as an update itself? An executable form like an a "patch" .exe or similar approach.

    Asking too much, perhaps... Just throw'in them out there "for the cause."
    Hey...
    Peace out, toughasnails

    Oh...
    BTW., This here...
    They didn't even bother to change the dress on the pig ... they just applied a little mascara and lipstick .

    It reminds me of another version, 'Deliverance' style ... If ya put lipstick on a pig... Ya still wake up with a pig.
     
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    I may have answered one of my own Q's...

    After realizing that Win 10 is a 64bit O.S only( I believe) ... and doesn't come in 32bit form...

    Is it save to say there's no concern for the Win 10's intrusion under 32bit. O.S.'s?

    I'LL look into more and post facts.
     
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    W10 is most certainly available in the 32-bit guise as well.
     
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    Thanks for the bad news....lol


    I wonder if a class-action lawsuit would get MS's attention?
    Doing nothing to combat the precedence they're setting is worse that the act itself.
     
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    Why is that bad news? There are lots of 1gb and 2gb windows tablets / hybrids that are currently being sold that run 32bit windows.
     
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    Why the bad news?
    Perhaps... I may have, at first glance, left that phrase out of context and it appears judgmental or negative.
    And as I can see, S.Prime.., You're no stranger to this site...

    I run a Win 7 32bit as my primary O.S. at this time. My previous O.S. was 32bit, as well.
    For now, I prefer a 32 bit O.S. as I'm refurbishing a legacy M4400 Precision Workstation.
    It carries a registered Win 7 in my name with the disks allowing for the free upgrade offer of Win 10.

    For reasons linked to the departure of XP... And why they couldn't have just made XP 64bit, fill the needs of
    today's new features and standards is the "elephant in the room," IMO.

    This link or... The first post on page 1. of this thread should explain my concerns.
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/11/microsoft-downloading-windows-1

    Now since there's been all this concern over MS's intrusive overlord BS...
    It's actually delayed my plans to make any move to Win 10, under my preference.
    I wonder if that dawned on them?
    If for anything else now... Just out of general principle is reason enough.

    So my comment you're asking about is based on this...
    I was hoping that Win 10 was just in 64 bit. O.S. form, on the market... And not effecting the 32bit platform.
    How does one benefit with Win 10 in a 32bit version, anyhow? Whatever the case may be...

    When I'm good and ready, I may try Win 10's 64, or 32bit O.S... That's my decision to make. Not MS's.
    So, as I've discovered...
    Essentially, Having a 32bit O.S. bares no exclusion from MS's unwanted Win 10 updates as outlined
    throughout this thread.
    For myself ... not good news to say the least.
    And definitely not good news for the 64bit O.S.'s below Win 10 that don't care for the upgrade.

    I hope that answers your question, S.Prime.
    I feel a rant in the making now that it's fresh on my mind. Stand back... lol.
    .........................

    My feeling and general concern for the rights of personal privacy are my focus here.

    MS's,"self aware approach.., Because they're people now" under corporate human rights, has
    enabled them to do this brand of deviance. Overturning that pyle of S#$t, FISA Court ruling is a
    moral imperative.
    Hey Obama... This is under your watch...

    MS customers that continue to use MS O.S's deserved better. Not to mention all of humanity.
    The ASSumption that MS can be "behaving badly" has the ear markings of a TV sitcom..,
    Taking the high ground over it's own, once neutral reputation.

    Allowing for the use of internet in a more secure means starts at the framework.
    Where the trust doesn't take the hit.. and let it all slip away. This little hand in the cookie jar
    has implications on a much grander scale.
    There used to be a small glimmer of light, thinking MS wasn't all out to "get it all" in spirit.
    Don't they have enough?
    They did resist, on behalf of a few worthy causes over the years. But this kind of breach in
    public trust is a dividing line. That glimmer is getting faint as I speak.

    And "Why?..."To ultimately reduce themselves to the idea that "Some really don't care" or
    "They don't care enough" is IMO, liable.
    A gamble that will inspire criminal charges if they continue down this path...
    Already a Monopoly to be reckoned with in their own right.

    If this kind of business is the new rule.. What happens to the trust of banking on-line?
    Let alone the exploitation of your own life?

    To be at their hand... Forced without consent to house and amass Win 10 elements and
    content, data mining updates, files and folders insertions, via telemetry protocol...
    All resulting in bloatware that reduces the net bandwidth speeds, reduces Storage capacities,
    O.S. performance, added annoyances that can't be identified, etc...

    "A permanent and ungovernable vise over the rightfully, unwilling consent, of MS customers/users.

    Frankly.., It reminds me of the F'n "BORG."
    The spirit of this thread reminds me... that "Resistance is NOT Futile."
     
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    Mind you, the 64-bit version of XP most certainly does exist. It's just the fact that most OEMs couldn't care less about developing drivers for it so it never took off.

    However, as much as XP was well-loved, it was severely dated long before MS pulled the plug on it.
     
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    Yes, I'm aware and agree. I know of that 64bit XP version... And happen to bought it under a builders license, back in the day upon it's release.
    Only to find they were going to abandon the pursue of refinement. Hence the elephant.
    It ticked me off, at the time... as I recall.
     
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    And thanks from this end and "Second" that motion.
     
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    Just added a new update to the list:

    KB2882822


    Very fishy with no solid info on what it does....
     
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    Dealing with this stuff is like playing "whack-a-mole." I've been keeping my own personal list of updates to avoid and it just keeps getting larger (mostly lines-up with yours). That said, Imma keep playing "whack-a-mole" with M$ till my hands fall off because it gives me such peace of mind. And that is priceless. Thanks again for the great thread ML.
     
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    Thank you for the nice comment. Very encouraging!
     
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    Hey, Matrix.. I'm very impressed.
    Been thinking about my last take on your agenda here. A real commitment.
    Which leads me in to the following...

    -------------------------Well Done With Outstanding Praise-----------------------------
    There aren't enough points for your efforts, bud. So many thanks for doing so.

    To coin a phrase...
    I consider this thread..., "The People's Update."

    I'm just a bit annoyed with myself.., Due to somehow deleting a lengthy draft
    regarding the "SafeDisk" update you brought to our attention.
    I felt... A discovery, having much deeper implications, etc. Oh F#$@#^$ well.

    lol.
    Nevertheless... You have my sincerest admiration for your efforts here.
     
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    Thank you so much, it is comments like yours and a few others here that encourage me to continue doing what I am doing with even more passion! We are all in a war against Micro$h4ft :D
     
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    Tonight, a new onslaught of "Update installs Get Windows 10 app" KB3035583
     
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    what updates?
     
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    KB3035583 reapearing (after being previously hidden)
     

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    that happens sometimes and other times happens if you did not hide all the other Windows 10 preperation upgdates.

    Go through the list of your installed updates and triple check that you don't have any of the updates in this list in the OP installed.
     
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    I recheck the op list about twice a week just out of curiosity and kb3035583 has shown back up in my updates 2 times now. I have had all the updates hidden that are in the op since this thread started. So microshaft must be doing something to make it re appear in updates. The first time I wrote it off as a misshap on my part butt 2 times after making sure it was hidden before.
    At least I'm not the only one that noticed .

    I'm on Windows 8.1 pro if that makes any difference.
     
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    Well I don't use Windows 8.1 and never will touch that OS so I can't comment. Micro$h4ft are trying to make us all get frustrated with these pushed viruses to finally install Windows 10 and be done with it.
     
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    KB3035583 reappeared for me today as well. I'm on W7 Pro, none of the updates in the OP have been installed. M$ is really trying to shove their spyware down our throats.

    Ah it makes sense now. KB3035583 was re-pushed today: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/894199
     
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  47. Player2

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    I would also like to thank matrixleader for making this thread and taking the time to share your hard work with the rest of us here.
    Hatt's off to you my brother.
     
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    Just to let others know Microsoft is pushing kb2976978 through updates again. I have windows 8.1 so I can't speak for 7. It's the update matrix leader marked as an preparation for Windows 10. Just a heads up if your on 8.1 .
    On my computer it's marked as optional update . But microshaft is still trying to get us to go to 10 nonetheless.

    Edit: I just double checked my hidden updates and I have kb2976978 hidden but it's also in my new updates list. What the he'll microshaft you already offered me windows 10 once and I'm not interested at this point in time please just let me enjoy my laptop the way it is.
     
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    edited same day at 1146 am.

    The implications...

    Like I suggested, in a previous comment on this thread, here...( in so many words...)

    What will it take to get a grass-roots petition with a contingent law firm involved on this concern?
    Or will we be forever, simply subject to the "Machine?"

    I'm not in denial about the "engines of progress," nor the NSA's agenda.
    I suspect neither of those here are, as well...

    But the reduction or complete removal of "once enjoyed apps and functionality is intrusively oppressive.
    ........
    The once., "corporate death penalty" imposed on monopolies for being "Too Big" to fail, stating in context...
    "No U.S. company or organization, i.e. corporate entity(s), yada yada, shall ever be more powerful, than the U.S.Government itself."
    This was in part, a significant solution to "regulate" the balance...
    But now.,
    Apparently use as a "bad word" today. Before the long since repealed, through incremental
    loo-poling... President Teddy Roosevelt forced these regulations on the railroad industry...
    Plain frigging simple.
    With big-ass scissors, "if you will," cutting through the red tape of bureaucracy.

    As the railroad industry threatened to parallelize the U.S.'s transport system by claiming ownership over said, railroad.
    .......
    When an "upgrade" means "downgrade...." Or when an "Update" means "removal of the
    once, intact..."
    One can bank on this notion... We're in "Frigging" trouble.

    I just wish I had the tools to get this issue front and center.
    To those refusing the feminization of man, pointing at the apathetic path, set by by the "Poo-wers" that be.
    Aka... The path to conformity.

    The idea of the "dumbing down" process is... Alive and well.
    And not going away.

    In an effort to not divert this thread's subject while going "Rant Man"(one of my M.O.'s) on
    this thread...

    *Matrix Leader... Please forgive with apologies if you disagree...
    This post is meant to be in context, supportive to your purpose here.
    Any objection from yourself will have it removed, promptly.

    Which all leads to the following...

    Here's is a poignant and compelling statement that provokes many...
    Time spent in deep thought.


    ---------------------------"We do deserve what we settle for.''------------------------------


    For myself.,
    Starkly relevant and moving... If applied to every decision I'll ever have to make in life.

    stringbuzzzzzz
    Thanks all for your time and reflection.
     
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  50. Awhispersecho

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    Hope you have better luck than I have had trying to get people to get involved and fight back. People love to complain but never want to do anything that would require energy or action. It's why things are the way they are now and this applies to much more than just tech. Good luck, if you have any progress, count me in.
     
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