Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

While it is free for the OS right now, and by that free to join the store, eventually things will cost. Just like Solitaire does now or the fact with a new W10 install you need a DVD player etc.. Eventually supposedly W10 will have an initial upgrade cost and will have a new cost and of course upgrade costs by version. New OEM systems I am sure still have that M$ tax for W10.

Since they are allowing W10 downgrade rights for the pro version I can not see them going to a time based subscription until all other versions have lost support and subsequently downgrade rights. I could be wrong here but that is IMHO. The quote above was meant for metro subscription as in M$ store and metro/other apps.

As it stands they see a W10 subscribed system as a potential Metro App customer and Store browser. This even if you remove everything. They want and need to draw developers. Apparently by any means they can too. It just physically makes me ill.

 

@toughasnails @Mr. Fox @TANWare

Beware, Microsoft plans to push Windows 10 on even more Windows 7 and 8 systems

 

Last night they somehow deactivated the Windows 7 installation on my Panther with an odd message that I had never seen before. The message told me I needed to re-establish my Windows 7 activation and it automatically presented me with the phone activation method rather than online. I reactivated it by phone without issue, but updates are still disabled and none are making it through with 7, 8.1 and 10. Maybe the Redmond Nazis are taking extra steps to keep tabs on me because I am not drinking their nasty wee-wee flavored Kool-Aid, LOL. So, now the Redmond Mafia has a phone number associated with my Windows 7 installation.

Also interesting, and kind of scary, they detected my incoming call was on a Windows 8.1 phone and offered to automatically activate my Windows 7 by sending a text message to my Nokia Windows 8.1 phone with a link that I can click to immediate activate Windows 7 on my PC. Naturally, I was like, oh heck no. Big Brother Gestaponaut is with us. This is very Orwellian and I am not happy about it.

Little did we know this Photoshop jesting I posted in another thread shortly prior to July 29 would become prophetic...

 

This is known from previous posts. This article says the consumers will not be caught in the crossfire. How many Realtors, lawyers, accountants, doctors and/or other professionals are out there that need to keep their data private? All of that data is placed in jeopardy, look at all the hacks out there. Wait til you create all those tempting servers with all that juicy data to dangle in front of the hackers. This could even start leading to a new widespread crime, cyber blackmail or even something else more devious.

 

Re the eventual pricing, seems like this model is developing (as always I'm thinking out loud, so please be skeptical as usual). The model is like a car or like a hamburger or a pizza, now. There's a 'base' version you get for free or a base price, and the other items you used to get for free, are like toppings 'extra' (bucket seats, leather interior, special color, extra cheese, sausage, extra lettuce, bacon, chips, etc).

1. Gradually reduce the number of base (paid) or 'free services' (software components) the OS provides. Right now, what used to be free were Solitare and DVD.

2. Gradually increase the forcing of whatever base free services are provided, so that whoever has better from past OS iterations, comes to have less and the same as all those. Idea to force this 'base' on everyone.

3. Gradually increase the number and variety of 'services' in the App Store for a price, to increase developer popularity, and of course revenue to all.

4. Gradually tighten or increase the data slurping so that the expense of parceling out the OS features is covered and even made profitable, as it's expected most people will just keep to the base, and get their 'extras' elsewhere. That too favors the developers, so MSFT 'wins' either way.

5. For people who won't take the options, stop 'security patches' so they will feel vulnerable if they don't opt for 'deluxe' or other bundlings. (You've seen this tactic in sales many times with car salesmen.)

Upshot, that your OS will still keep working, it's not like Office 365 which requires you pay a monthly price to keep it going. But your updates cease, or are increasingly conditioned upon those 'extras' also being purchased.

Again, just thinking out loud here. The scenario comes from listening to Nadella's maiden speech to the public, after first becoming CEO, where he kept on stressing mobile first and cloud first. I forget where and if you can get a copy of it.

Win10 is patterned after PHONE OS in all things, and especially as a fixation to compete with Apple in all things. Why their fixation persists for decades, I can't fathom.

 

And I thought I was over reacting... NOT. I now consider my past bloggery... Highly understated.
DARPPA... With our tax dollars. google it.

My O'l man said to me more than once..."Always use a ru.. No., Wait!...

oh yeah...
He said this... A consistent truth about man's experience with his/her own nature...

"Art imitates life... And., Life imitates art."
And I can see by this picture., "A testament to that observation... Without fail."

 

Truth or fiction...
It makes perfect sense to believe the CIA is running the "big picture" show..With the Mob at their fingertips.
So many implications.

 

sadly , one cannot totally escape the grasp of "the evil empire" .
there are still a plethora of programs written only for windows that many users actually need to have .
many proprietary programs will not be ported over to 'nix due to financial reasons (all things in this area considered) .
getting windoze programs to run in WINE/POL is very sketchy and hit-or-miss at best .
i believe some of the same "drop the old stuff" is happening in/with this area ... i recall being able to get photoslop 7 to run but with the latest versions/releases of wine and pol ... it will not run .
it isn't even on the list anymore .
for many users there is no simple answer ... linux is not a/the panacea , and i do not think it will ever be .

 

Right now there is no 100% easy answer. If there were M$ would never be able to pull what it has already. We are in this situation as we allowed ourselves to get into it. We trusted corporate greed and this is what we got.

M$ would be happy to let the 5% of their base or so that are "Hobbyist Enthusiasts" go over to another OS and keep their 95% for W10. They then could do whatever they please to the new consumer base. Their only problem so far is we have not let go but this seems to do little to deter them. I am sure though it will eventually be just a good riddance for them when, and if, we do leave.

 

Seems like things are getting out of hand with Micro$h4ft hacking into our systems and changing the Windows update setting to revert it back to automatically install updates. This is no different than a virus or hacker:

Link: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/th...t-Be-Stopped?p=1170648&viewfull=1#post1170648

 

Ah well, digi-Nazis will be digi-Nazis. They are untrustworthy losers and shysters. That's what they do in the Redmond Mafia... pretend they are God and act like Satan.

 

to be honest with you, their strategy is kind of working, I am really tired of constantly fighting it, which is why I gave in and upgraded to Windows 10. The only other alternative it seems to keep the machines offline LOL

 

That's definitely their strategy. They're counting on you getting tired of it and giving in.

You don't have to stay offline. You just have to shut them down before they get their foot stuck in the doorway.

I'm not having any difficulties. I don't have to worry about what they're going to do next. They's cannot do anything, or so it appears at this point in time. Since I destroyed everything in the cancer OS before connecting to the internet the first time, nothing has changed with my Windows 10 installation since the day it was installed in terms of updates. It is utterly broken, thus superior and trouble-free... with absolutely none of their nasty update crud at all. They have been excommunicated from my system, exactly as they have been with Windows 7 and 8.

If they find a way to break in despite my no-trespassing blockage, then I will likely just wipe the drive and restore my Windows 8.1.1 image. I won't put up with any of their crap. I do not need their feces updates... never have, never will.

 

Funny you mention this, I am originally from Syria, and in my country software piracy is the norm. So when I see any system there, be it in an internet cafe or for a friend, they all have their Windows updates disabled because they don't want their machine to get detected/de-activated since they are using a pirated version with one of those lousy activation methods. I used to say, what muppets they think they know better but they are missing on the security updates and have their systems vulnerable. Now I think, heck, they were probably right, it's better not to have any of the Micro$h4ft security or OS breaking updates and take the small risk of getting infected from other sources. Stick a good AV/Firewall and you're good. Which is exactly the case, at least better than Micro$h4ft hacking them

 

You're right. I have a problem with the stealing and dishonestly that goes with piracy, but I have no problem with hacking and taking control of what happens to software I have paid for and acquired through proper channels. Once the hardware and/or software has been bought and paid for, they're done telling me what I am allowed to do with it... screw 'em. It's mine now. If they want to get all uppity and act like control freaks trying to force their will on me, then I'll kick their worthless crap to the curb and use something else that they don't want me to use.

My distrust of Micro$loth is far greater than my fear of malware. I'll take my chances with the malware. I have needed to reinstall Windows to recover from screwed up Automatic Updates more times than I have needed to reinstall Windows to get rid of malware.

 

this kind of reminds me of the steppenwolf song : monster .


i had a go-around with a friends laptop that had W10 crapola happen to it (moved to another town) .
a couple of days after the install it was borked and the "roll back" did not work .
it pooched the coa/key as well as the activation code for MSO .
M$ was called and the products were activated .
now , how much data has been lost ?
oh yeah ... she has to pay the local guy for doing a clean install and recon ... fat chance she will get reimbursed .

 

It's funny y'all are talking about this here. I'm newly thinking of buying a bunch of Linux sticks or making them and giving them to my clients. Just plug in, boot, use Firefox/Chrome and Thunderbird same as Windows, that's all the Linux you need to know. They then keep Windows offline. Trying to decide what distro (probably Mint or Ubuntu, but I don't know yet, my clients barely know what a 'mouse' is, they are physicians full of other kinds of vital knowledge).

For my use, like MatrixLeader said, I just keep surfing with Windows Update OFF but with backups/clones of the two (of 15) Windows machines I have, and no problems. I don't want to spend the several hours a week assessing which updates will be helpful and which are useless. So I figure my clients won't, either.

Mind you, I made five distros on external drives for use whenever I need to do Windows housekeeping, or if I want to surf with them (drives are faster than sticks, though 3.0 Kingston sticks are fast).

So how long before others figure this out, if even a low brainout can do it?

 

Yeah, something similar happened to a client of mine end September. That's when I realized Redmond wasn't going to change, wasn't going to listen, wasn't going to last.

Time to leave. Reluctantly.

 

have you given this a try ?
https://tails.boum.org/

 

I agree with the gist of all the comments following post #293
The details expressed are insightful and concerning.

"I wish I had the temperament to not get carried away sometimes on, or about about this thread's cause in focus.

For myself.., It bares a "Pandora's box, effect..." So.. Let me simply nip that one in the bud., so to speak.
Cuz.., If I don't stop here... I'll possibly spin out a rant and inadvertently re-direct the flow of ideas here.
In that spirit...
Thanks for the candid statements and views, not withholding.

I will have to "pounce" another day...
Til then...

 

KB3102812, is another update to push Windows 10

Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB3102812)
Download size: 3.5 MB
Update type: Optional

Installing and searching for updates is slow and high CPU usage occurs in Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3102812

Issues that are fixed in this update
Issue 1
When you install Windows updates by using System Center Configuration Manager, the installation takes a long time to complete, and System Center Configuration Manager becomes overloaded.
Issue 2
The Svchost.exe process takes 100 percent of the CPU usage when you try to upgrade to Windows 10.

Found it before it installed, and hid it to block.

 

There are 3 new security update KB's that DWS Lite is removing, but no explanation, any ideas?

These just came in again after being removed by DWS Lite for blocking Windows 10 upgrade and telemetry/spyware blocking. Hiding all 3 to block for now until the reasoning becomes clear for their removal / continued blocking:

KB3042058
Microsoft security advisory: Update to default cipher suite priority order: May 12, 2015
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3042058
Update to Default Cipher Suite Priority Order
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/3042058

KB3088195
MS15-111: Description of the security update for Windows Kernel: October 13, 2015
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3088195
Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3088195)
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49217&WT.mc_id=rss_windows_allproducts

KB3093983
MS15-106: Security update for Internet Explorer: October 13, 2015
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3093983

Any ideas why these are removed by DWS (log below)?

Spoiler

[INFO] Latest version number: 600
[INFO] Windows Update disabled
[INFO] Add to hosts - cache.datamart.windows.com
[INFO] Add hosts MS complete.
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "111.221.29.177_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "111.221.29.253_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "131.253.40.37_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "134.170.30.202_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "134.170.115.60_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "134.170.165.248_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "134.170.165.253_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "134.170.185.70_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "137.116.81.24_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "137.117.235.16_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.55.129.21_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.55.133.204_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.56.121.89_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.56.91.77_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "168.63.108.233_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "191.232.139.254_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "191.232.80.58_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "191.232.80.62_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "191.237.208.126_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "207.46.101.29_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "207.46.114.58_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "207.46.223.94_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "207.68.166.254_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "212.30.134.204_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "212.30.134.205_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "23.102.21.4_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "23.99.10.11_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "23.218.212.69_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "64.4.54.22_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "64.4.54.32_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "64.4.6.100_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.39.117.230_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.100.11_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.100.7_Block"
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[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.100.91_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.100.92_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.100.93_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.100.94_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.52.108.29_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.108.23_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.138.114_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.138.126_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.138.186_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.252.63_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.252.71_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.252.92_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.252.93_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.29.238_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.39.10_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "191.232.139.2_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "64.4.23.0-64.4.23.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "111.221.64.0-111.221.127.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.55.235.0-157.55.235.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.55.56.0-157.55.56.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.55.52.0-157.55.52.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "157.55.130.0-157.55.130.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "65.55.223.0-65.55.223.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "213.199.179.0-213.199.179.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "195.138.255.0-195.138.255.255_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "23.223.20.82_Block"
[INFO] Add Windows Firewall rule: "WSearch_Block"
[INFO] Ip list blocked
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Office\Office ClickToRun Service Monitor
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Office\OfficeTelemetryAgentFallBack2016
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Office\OfficeTelemetryAgentLogOn2016
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\KernelCeipTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\UsbCeip
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Power Efficiency Diagnostics\AnalyzeSystem
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyMonitor
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyRefresh
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\AitAgent
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\ProgramDataUpdater
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\StartupAppTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Autochk\Proxy
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\BthSQM
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\Consolidator
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Office\OfficeTelemetry\AgentFallBack2016
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Office\OfficeTelemetry\OfficeTelemetryAgentLogOn2016
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\DiskDiagnostic\Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Maintenance\WinSAT
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\ActivateWindowsSearch
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\ConfigureInternetTimeService
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\DispatchRecoveryTasks
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\ehDRMInit
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\InstallPlayReady
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\mcupdate
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\MediaCenterRecoveryTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\ObjectStoreRecoveryTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\OCURActivate
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\OCURDiscovery
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\PBDADiscovery
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\PBDADiscoveryW1
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\PBDADiscoveryW2
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\PvrRecoveryTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\PvrScheduleTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\RegisterSearch
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\ReindexSearchRoot
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\SqlLiteRecoveryTask
[INFO] Disabled task: Microsoft\Windows\Media Center\UpdateRecordPath
[INFO] Remove update KB3080149
[INFO] Remove update KB3075249
[INFO] Remove update KB3068708
[INFO] Remove update KB3044374
[INFO] Remove update KB3035583
[INFO] Remove update KB3022345
[INFO] Remove update KB3021917
[INFO] Remove update KB3015249
[INFO] Remove update KB3012973
[INFO] Remove update KB2990214
[INFO] Remove update KB2977759
[INFO] Remove update KB2976978
[INFO] Remove update KB2952664
[INFO] Remove update KB2922324
[INFO] Remove update KB971033
[INFO] Remove update KB3083324
[INFO] Remove update KB3083325
[INFO] Remove update KB3088195
[INFO] Remove update KB3093983
[INFO] Remove update KB3093513
[INFO] Remove update KB3042058
[INFO] Remove update KB3083710

Here are the Updates I am blocking under Windows 8.1.


Also blocking hardware driver installs, for example the Intel HD Graphics driver isn't the right one for my Iris Pro 6200 iGPU, for others I prefer doing it myself directly from MSI / OEM download so I can control update level.

Posted a question to the developer of DWS, will update here if/when I hear back.

DWS Lite - Destroy Windows 10 Spying for Windows 7/8/10
http://dws.wzor.net/
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/releases


Update: 11/7/2015

The answer back from the developer Nummer, 3 hours ago today:
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/issues/151

"KB3088195 - keylogger (on kernel)
KB3042058 - winlogon spying
KB3093983 - ie spying."

 

Will be added to the list and batch file shortly...

 

KB3102810 and KB3102812 were added to the list and batch file updated

 

I cannot add those updates to the list until I receive more solid confirmation on what they do and how are they related to telemetry or Windows 10 upgrade preparation

Please let me know if you get more info

 

Thank you very very much for the great explanations, screenshots, and scripts !!!

 

Thanks for all that you do... Although you went over to the "Dark Side".

 

No choice, the dark side works best with NVME PCIe SSDs. I will always support j00 though

 

The answer back from the developer Nummer, 3 hours ago today:
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/issues/151

"KB3088195 - keylogger (on kernel)
KB3042058 - winlogon spying
KB3093983 - ie spying."

All of these were marked as "Important" by Microsoft, and all are listed as Security Updates...

 

I wonder where he got this information as I searched on the web but couldn't find anything more than the shallow Micro$h4ft KB Articles. I will add them to the list tomorrow thank you so much for reporting.

 

Nummer took a few days to respond, maybe he only has time on the weekends to work on this, but if you have further questions I am sure he will be happy to answer you via his site/github. Nummer did close this question thread after answering, so you will need to start another.

 

Although Micro$h4ft claims these are security updates, the real truth = KB3088195 (Keylogger on kernel level) / KB3042058 (Winlogon spying) / KB3093983 (IE spying) added to the list and batch file update in the OP.

Proof:
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/issues/151

 

guys, why not just put the script in a code box or spoiler on the first post. Not sure I like the idea of downloading stuff from mediafire. If people are not savvy enough to create a .bat file, they probably shouldn't be messing with scripts.

 

+1

 

I have to wonder on these three?
1.) IE is always doing mild telemetry, we already know that and this does not seem to add to that.
2.) Win 7, 8.0 and 8.1 do not have keylogger telemetry yet, the EULA needs to change before that.
3.) same for additional Winlogon spying, the EULA again.

Do not just blindly fall down the rabbit hole.

 

Agreed

 

True, but I don't trust Micro$h4ft at all at this stage so IMO rather be safe than sorry.

If it quacks like duck and walks like a duck....it probably is a.....

 

Myself, I need more proof that these updates are what people are claiming them to be. Just a suspicion is not enough. They have to be proven to be bad, or shown to an unwanted functionality.

The problem with blindly following a quack, is you can begin to sound like one. The information provided here should be of the utmost scrutinized information. In this way you can then be considered the flagship of the fight against the upgrade and telemetry issues. The go to place for the go to information.

 

I agree, the only reason I added them is the source is somehow reliable, the authoer of Destroy Windows Spying.

Still, if you feel they shouldn't be added, please let me know and I will remove them from the list. It's your call at the end of the day since you're the moderator.

 

I can not say to remove or not, these threads belong to all of you guys. I am just putting in my $0.02. While he may be somewhat reliable in the past just making a statement to me is not enough, especially if he is saying they are something other than what M$ is claiming.

 

We can accomplish both points by listing the 3 KB's recommended by Nummer of Destroy Windows Spying by including a reference to the Forum response by Nummer.

It was / is bound to happen that some KB's will try to sneak through with legitimate reasons along with sneaky riders. Those will be the hardest to spot and require giving up some benefits to avoid the exposure.

Listing them for completeness, with a pointer to the reference listing the exposure along with a link to the advertised benefits, and allow the reader to decide whether to forego the benefits to avoid the exposure.

Microsoft doesn't need a EULA for permission from us, they are getting their permission from the agencies requesting MS collect the information and provide a conduit to our private files.

The EULA was a warning shot that our privacy is being invaded, perhaps the last clear heads up we will get.

I agree we don't want to "cry wolf", but if we list KB's to avoid, we should also list all the suspect ones, we can classify them by "known" and "suspected", and give full disclosure.

If a KB is later found to be "ok", we can always remove it from the "known" or "suspected" lists.

KB's will get reissued with the same numbers with major changes, some that were ok might end up getting added to the block lists.

The block lists are going to be changing, and evolving over time.

 

If, with W7, they plan to telemetry my private files and/or email communications along with keyloggers etc. they had better get me to sign off first. A new, or addendum, EULA is one way to do that.

Who is looking at the banned list to find out if the KB's are later ok? I would rather be right the first time out of the gate, again my $0.02.

 

A very nice feedback from a user on AnandTech forums regarding this list of bad updates.... please read:

 

TBH, anything with just W7 starter to begin with is kind of a weak system. The forced W10 update KB's will probably bring it too its knees. The other side of the coin though is it would probably run better on W10 than W7.

 

Wow, I don't know if the quote will be added when I reply or not, but my reply concerns the Ham N Eggs post about Windows 7 Starter getting updates including GWX. Problem is, Windows 7 Starter isn't eligible for GWX. So this problem tells you that MSFT is not paying attention WHERE it sends these nefarious KBs.

Every day I get closer and closer to becoming anti-MSFT itself, not merely anti-garbage OS design. I just learned that some dingdongs hard-baked IE into the OS in order to keep Netscape out back 30 years ago; looks like they are doing the same now to Bing et alia.

Windows wouldn't be the security risk it is had IE not been baked into the OS. Surely the designers would have known that. So they deliberately designed a security risk just to beat Netscape?

So now, the parallel.. deliberately baking Bing in, just to defeat Google? To slurp us more? So now not only not safe from hacks or intruders, but not safe from MSFT itself, and this has nothing whatsoever to do with governmental agencies.

Governmental agencies, can't use any data they get sans a preceding warrant. So they cannot use anything MSFT collects, as it is collected sans warrant.

So that explains why even a Windows 7 Starter is a target, and that what had been said about it not being eligible, is also untrue. Now untrue. Bait and switch in the opposite direction.

Glad all my Windows machines have updates turned off, including my seven XP machines, where my critical data is located.

Windows will NEVER be safe, on any level. By design. So I have no choice at all now, the design is deliberate and is not going to get better: Linux online when needed, else old Windows offline migrating eventually to Linux. By Design.

 

You have critical data on XP machines? Are they connected to the Internet?


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Saw this post on reddit about how to disable the updates using a registry tweak. Just thought I would pass it on.

https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3s2nzh/windows_10_broke_my_business/

 

I don't know if it's a cauinsindence or not but I download games using steam and I only have a 300 kb/s connection. My download speed always goes to about 313 kb/s and stays there constantly like it's supposed too. But the last three or so days it goes from 0 to 250 to 0 constantly . It's so bad I was getting ready to call att and ask them what the hell.
Before I called I went through the list in the original post and checked to make sure all the listed updates were still hidden.
They were still all hidden except the last three being talked about in this thread. So I went ahead and hide the last three that just got added to the list and restarted my laptop. Lo and behold when I went to steam to start downloading it went straight to 313 kb/s like it usually does . So the last three updates that were added to the op were hogging up my Internet when ever I tried to download something. Or I just didn't notice it until I tried to download something.
I know my Internet speed sucks but that's the best I can get where I'm at. At 300kb/s I know exactly when something else is trying to use my Internet.

Just thought I would share my findings. Like I said it could be a cau incidence but I highly doubt it as I am constantly keeping an I on my Internet conection.

What sucks is people with low speed Internet connections and then you got Microsoft trying to keep tabs on everything you do wich I'm sure is somewhat constantly using your Internet connection.

Any way.

 

Thank you for reporting, @TANWare see bro? They were bad after all. I wonder how that guy who created DWS knew this as there is not a single bit of info about these updates on the web other than the KB articles.