Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

FYI I installed them and my Internet speed is the same as it ever was

 

Strange, I don't know what to say.

 

@octiceps internet connection has enough headroom to not notice the increased traffic from MS sending/receiving lots of data

@Player2 - that's great news removing those 3 new updates fixed your internet connection

Please try using the DWS app to uninstall all the patches and stop all the background processes involved in the data collection (see my Spoiler text for the dws log).

For marginal internet connections, the added load from MS's sending/receiving will be much more noticeable.

The same as the other guys example about getting back system resources on a low powered laptop by uninstalling all the patches.

 

Good point! Didn't cross my mind! One surely wouldn't notice any slowdown on a high speed connection but on a limited connection as the guy above mentioned, it's good that it actually showed us those updates were doing something bad. Anyway, there is no benefit in installing such updates that has question marks on them.

 

With a 300kbps connection, it could be anything. Heck, an obscure Flash ad playing in the corner of your browser or streaming music or Steam silently downloading a client update in the background could all slow your connection to a crawl. And it's nothing new for Steam download servers to be acting up, esp. during the release of a big AAA title, and we've just had two of those in Black Ops III and Fallout 4.

 

Except the BO3 and FO4 downloads are still going on, and his internet download speeds returned right after uninstalling those 3 patches.

As @Player2 said, it could be coincidental, but it sure seems related.

Besides that, Player2 is used to his internet connection speed, and knows how to reduce the demands on it. Anything like flash / ads would likely already be blocked with Flashblock / ublock / etc to reduce the load on his network connection.

 

Hey guys I don't want to spread misinformation so here is an update.

My Internet connection worked fine after uninstalling the last 3 updates for about an hour then started going bonkers again and completely disconnecting so att is running tests to find out what is wrong. Could be the rain messing with the phone lines att said.
So it probably was just a fluke cauinsindence it just happen to work good after uninstalling the updates.
Sorry for confussing everyone.

I jumped the gun on my last post.
Sorry

I will do more thorough testing before just posting something next time.

But I will leave the updates hidden anyway.

 

Any results like this, before being presented as proof, must be scientifically proven. This means they have to be repeatable and consistent. I know it is popular here to jump on the M$ beat um up wagon but beware of spreading FUD.

The enemies here, as far as I see it, are W10 itself and upgrade to it. Now the upgrade is not the implementation, so far, of added telemetry to prior versions of Windows but the added readiness for that same telemetry. It can also be said any telemetry used in the upgrade process as well. This as I am sure the systems get a least a one time go over for file telemetry.

 

Thanks for reporting back, and all input is helpful.

I am keeping them uninstalled as well, until I hear differently down the road that these 3 are for sure ok.

DWS has been a good app so far, making good choices for updates to remove, firewall/host file entries, services to disable, and other good choices for tuning.

If you want help debugging your internet connection, please start a conversation and invite me to discuss offline - it's OT for this thread.

 

FYI, it's spelled "coincidence".


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Actually, "cauinsindence" is correct, in Romanian

 

Interesting!


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And in hillbilly/Mark Twainese

 

Hi Guys,

There's a worrying update in the latest batch of stuff - KB3107998, the more info link takes you to a sad smiley and no info which is always a concern; and a web search brings up nothing....
Has anyone worked out if this is a 'bad' update yet!

Regards

Dave

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3107998

 

Thanks octiceps, that must have been uploaded after I attempted to get the 'more info' from WU, I did also try putting the KB number in the MS page search and drew a blank!

 

Thanks Dave, it looks like KB3107998 is another potential update to block - @Matrix Leader

"Remove Lenovo USB Blocker version 1.0.0.37 to avoid a system crash

This article describes a problem that occurs after you install October 2015 security update for Windows Kernel ( 3088195) on a Windows-based computer.

...Lenovo has confirmed that this is a problem in the Lenovo USB Blocker application version 1.0.0.37. Please contact Lenovo to fix this problem...

This problem occurs because Lenovo USB Blocker version 1.0.0.37 has a bug that's exposed by Security Update 3088195..."
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3107998

KB3088195 (Microsoft Claims it's a security update but also has a key logger on the Kernel Level)

I don't have a Lenovo, but if I did, I might be a bit upset to find that the USB security software installed was removed without my knowledge by Microsoft KB3107998.

If it is a corporate computer that would be a security violation that would show up in a standard daily/nightly/weekly Security scan, which could then trigger a reinstall of the Lenovo USB blocker software, which would set me up for a future crash!

Not cool Microsoft!

USB - Port Locker (How to / What is it used for)
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo...Locker-How-to-What-is-it-used-for/ta-p/473137

If you have a good isolated support environment for corporate PC's, KB3107998 won't make it through the vetting done before the patch reaches desktops, but it will open up USB ports - remove security - on personal Lenovo laptops not under the corporate Windows image control.

 

@toughasnails @TANWare

It's your call guys, shall I add this or not?

 

Myself I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to M$. It's not like we can't take it off the list later on.

 

KB3107998 added to the list and the batch file was updated.

 

Anyone have any input on whether I should / should not install any of these?



There is another IE11 "Security patch", along with 12 other Windows 8.1 patches + 19 Office 2013 patches.... 1,128MB... sigh...I guess I will check'em out later against the lists, maybe tomorrow - by then someone else might have done the reviewing and added to the lists

 

You don't run the batch file on a weekly bases. I know I do.

 

By the time the patch uninstall batch file is useful, it's too late, the patch is already installed and it's done whatever damage it could until I got around to running the bat file or another utility to uninstall it.

Now I don't install any update until I check it against any lists that form over the days after Patch Tuesday.

I look at the patch info available myself to see if there is anything obviously unwanted.

Then I decide if I really need the patch - if the patch is useless to me, I don't install it.

After that I check several sources - including our thread / list here. If I find a patch that isn't on the list that looks unwanted, I post what I found and ask for feedback.

No single source is likely to be able to find / list all the things we need be aware of, so working all the sources weekly gives the best results so far.

 

Very good point. It would be great if we had more member joint this thread. We need all the help we can get to fight old man M$.

 

As far as what I've seen in other forums, this thread has the most accurate and comprehensive list of bad updates. On other forums they have updates that they recommend to hide which has nothing to do with telemetry / Windows 10 upgrade such as hiding the MSE update, well I never even got that to show in the first place. This is the best resource so far on the web as each update is carefully analyzed before it is added to the list Thanks to all of you especially hmscott, octiceps, toughasnails, and TANWare for providing feedback continuously and thanks to the other members who have reported updates as they appeared.

 

Happy to be of help guys; at 57 summers I'm still a bit of an elderly noob around here, but an increasingly paranoid noob; so I'll be stopping by again soon!

Regards

Dave

 

I must say I like you Avatar. I have a few friends like that

 

https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/issues/151

Why were these updates added? And why is the world still relying on M$?

Will Linux and every other company turn out the same way?

 

Welcome to the NotebookReview Forums

Now, please be nice, and debate this issue on the forum it belongs, where you already posted a question to the developer.

We can watch the progress there and work out for ourselves what we want to do.

If you do have an interest in Notebooks / laptops, and want to participate constructively in the forums, please do.

 

When it comes to these updates it's better to be safe than sorry and the dev quite clearly answered his reasoning right there.

KB3088195 - keylogger (on kernel)
KB3042058 - winlogon spying
KB3093983 - ie spying.

If you're using Internet Explorer, you're part of the problem anyway. I don't use that trash unless I absolutely have to and I happen to think that anyone who does use Internet Exploder as their daily browser gets what they deserve.

 

Please check the first post òn why they were added. These are the ones we felt needed blocking. We are not perfect but damn close .

 

I'll be seeding the various Mint distros from this M$ machine in the meantime. If you have a more preferred distro I can just add that to the list.

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Its getting increasingly difficult to do IT in business and keep a clean conscience after reading the fine print and seeing how forked up your cybernetic world has gotten. Entire enterprise ecosystems rely on this stuff for christ's sake. No wonder the navy paid so much for extended XP support. No company that deals with compliance is ever going to use anything past Windows 7 and it took them long enough to get there from xp. They don't even allow Windows Updates on any of the machines which in of itself is extremely risky, but they have to with all this junk being pushed down people's throats. I don't blame them, and I finally understand why they did it.

 

I never touch IE, even if I have to because some site will only work with IE, then I use the IE Tab Extension, works on both Firefox and Chrome, when you are on the page you want to view in IE, just right click and choose Load in IE Tab.

IE TAB for Firefox

IE Tab for Chrome

 

Does that mean it runs IE in a Chrome container? I used to uninstall IE completely until I found games that refused to run without it (and Steam itself I believe). Now the icon gets removed from existence and I just forget about it until something uses it.

 

It does, in fact, it even uses the IE Cookies.

So let's say you have to Gmail accounts or whatever site with 2 accounts and want to switch between those accounts easily without having to log out, then log in to an account.....

so what you'd do is....

1) Login through Firefox or Chrome with your account A for example.

2) Right click on that same page and choose load in IE Tab or simply click on the IE Tab Icon, now the page will reload as if it was IE but you're still in Chrome/FF. Use your credentials for the 2nd account

3) now when you go to that site again, by default it loads in your Chrome/FF but if you quickly wanna check your other account just load it in IE Tab and baam, it will load the other account since the cookie is saved in IE.

Offcourse you clear your cookies this won't work and you'll have to relogin, I never clear my cookies, I just clear my browser cache from time to time.

another nice thing is you can set some URLs to auto load in IE Tab.

say you know one site works best with IE and you don't wanna load it in Chrome/FF then again click on the IE Tab icon to reload it in IE, you simply go to the options of the extension and add that URL to the AUTO list and everytime you access it it will load in IE Tab.

Even if you had uninstalled IE, this extension will still work since noone can really uninstall IE it is integrated deep into the system, when we remove IE from the Programs and Features in Windows, we are just really disabling it.

Finally, in the options of IE Tab, you can actually select in which IE Rendering mode you want it to load the page, IE 7, IE 7 (forced), IE 9, IE 9 (forced), and so forth, I just leave that on the default option but you can change things.

 

That's a really cool idea. I usually just use incognito tabs for multiple logins personally. I don't really have any sites I use that require IE anymore so I never thought of a use case for such a thing.

And you can't remove IE completely now but you used to be able to.

 

Mint is great and all but I can't tell you how many times I've ended up with a broken apt because of their merging of Ubuntu files and its a real fun time fixing package issues for someone new to the OS.

Also since a LOT of us on here are gamers, Linux just isn't an option.

I can't even get Mint to boot first time on my machine without passing nomodeset to GRUB. Microsoft may be a hassle but don't try to paint Linux as the holy grail alternative because for the vast majority of users it isn't.

Anyway this is off topic, we have a Linux forum here as well if you wish to post about Linux

 

@TANWare @toughasnails @octiceps @hmscott

Another user report of slow down with these updates BTW from MDL Forums:

And another one from another user.....

The way I will treat these Micr0$h4ft updates from now on is: "shoot first, ask questions later"

 

Microsoft is really out to ruin our 7 and 8 experiences to force us to upgrade to 10... Ugh.

 

yes, if you don't wanna upgrade, fine, we will mess up your OS silently by disguising virus updates as security updates, deal with it! that's the new Micro$h4ft philosophy

 

I can't wait until they get slapped with an antitrust lawsuit......

 

*ALL* of my hidden updates are gone, and all 43 are now live and showing in Windows Update as if I had never hidden them.





I have selected them all and hidden them again.

I had hidden the new ones from this week on Tuesday, and had a bunch more already hidden over the last month, since I did a fresh restore.

 

Man this is way too much! Micro$h4ft is way more persistent than I thought.

 

Yes IE does telemetry, use it and you are tracked within the programs usage. I don't have an issue with that as it about the same as walking out the door. Expectation of privacy on the net is limited at best.

Edit, yes the one update does mess up with outside applications, I do not think it is a windows 10 update or telemetry issue though.

 

No doubt somewhere in a back room there is lawyers cooking one up now.

 

This is a tough nut to crack. The problem is with antitrust you need to show a monopoly. Here they are creating a multi-platform OS U/I based on marketing of platforms already in existence. The fact that M$ has included the PC in the device list is much less relevant than it was the first go around with antitrust.

Now the enhanced telemetry on private local files is a huge fish for the lawyers to go after. I am quite sure this is why M$ has not released the enterprise version yet as they are hedging their bets as to what to cover. In the same vein as to who can use it, maybe offering it to small business and home users. Right now they just keep pulling the whistles chain and yelling ALL ABOARD.

 

I'M SO MAD I CANNOT SEE STRAIGHT. I've not gone for new updates, but dang! All the ones I hid no longer show up either!

Worse, this son-of-Belial program which I have SHUT OFF (no updates no checking, turned off) is claiming there was an update of the Definition of Security Essentials, TODAY, two+ days ago! But I've not checked for updates since the 6th.

That's it, removing it from services. Thank you, hmscott, for the heads-up.

Of course, today the world is reeling from 3097877, and of course today is when dastardly TH2 comes out to the tune of another 4 GB for systems which -- drum roll please -- don't know that their HIDDEN updates are unticked, so if they are on automatic, guess what?

They're baaaaaccckkkk...

 

No, there are better fish to fry. Anti-trust is long term case and nearly impossible to make stick, now.

Better, is to attack via aka.ms/msa which is the EULA which governs Win10 and all the online stuff from Bing/Cortana to mail, OneDrive, Office 365, Skype, etc. Read its paragraph 3. Then think like a greedy lawyer.

Okay, so I'll have my client accuse someone rich and famous who has Windows 10 of something that violates Paragraph 3a, which per Paragraph 3b requires MSFT to slurp all the private offline data on that device. But all that data includes many third parties whose confidential data is also on that device.


Then, I'll just let it drop that all those third parties can SUE the device owner. Now who shall I tell this to? MSFT, and get paid by them, or the device owner? Hmmmm, choices, choices.. and this time I think I'll get racer stripes on another new Mazerati...​

 

Can't forget good security and patching.

LightEater

 

Maybe in Europe but not here. I don't think anything short of people just turning away from Microsoft will force them to change.