The ThrottleStop Guide

Future expansion. I cannot add ThrottleStop support for 10, 12, 16 and 18 core processors until I get some new hardware. I do not see that happening anytime in the next year.

 

I'm on - 181.6 core and - 152 cache any idea why I get bsods errors and crashes if I get the core voltage down to - 250mv, except if I lower cache then it is stable with - 200 core at - 146 cache and - 250 at - 141 cache, I am stable fully stable now..

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Great work as usual unclewebb. More options features without have to bloat up the whole software is a good thing.

I have one question. Is it possible you can add in a change (for us who want less info in the main TS window)? I talk about the new big box with the power plan. If you don't have to check the new power Plan box then the box should be greyed out into the background color (I don't add check mark in the box and prefer that only the performance power profile in text show up). Aka no box when you don't need or use it. Maybe change the layout more such as Speed Shift Settings. See pict and you can see what I mean. Again, Thanks for the great work unclewebb.

 

I agree with you @Papusan but the programming tools I am using do not give me much control of how drop down lists look. By default, I have two choices. The gray box like you posted or this.



I thought the white outline around the black box looked ugly too. A different kind of ugly but still ugly. If this different style makes you happy then I will send you a new version. When that box to the left is not checked, it would be simple to completely hide the drop down list including the High Performance label.

I was thinking of doing something like this when this option is not being used.



It looks easy but it will probably take me a few hours to do something simple like that. Maybe next week. Microsoft was really cheap when it comes to options for how those drop down lists look when not being used. If you have something else in mind, show me a picture of what you would like to see.

@Filipoos - The cache voltage is always the limiting factor. Most people seem to get their best results when they go a little less on the cache and then this allows them to use much more negative core offset. Use whatever voltage combination gets you your best temperatures and best performance while being 100% stable.

 

Thanks. Yeaht this is a better option.


I also put another idea in my edit. Maybe change the layout more such as you have added Speed Shift Settings. Just put in text Win Power Plan/current power plan. 1 will be for High Performance if checked etc. But the greyeed out option you suggest is also to the better. Thanks, yeah I want that change. The huge box as it is now now, is too much Another option is to let us have the choice to put in whatever color we want in that box to tone it more down. As etc the backround color of the whole main window.

 

I didn't know this was the case so I messed with it a bit - I managed to get my core down to -250mv stable so far, is this normal!?

 

You can set it to - 1000mv if you want, it doesn't do anything as it is tied to the cache undervolt. Easiest way to think of it is that the cache is the actual cpu undervolt.

 

Thank you very much unclewebb. I like this cleaner look a lot better

With the big box.


Without. A lot nicer


When I check the box.

 

Oh yeah! Way better. Thanks @unclewebb

 

I should have a 10900KF available for testing by the weekend. Let me know if you need a guinea pig.

 

Quick question... i have a pcs vyper 17 (tongfang gm7). Basically this lap have a control center that switch beetween different tdp levels (25 eco mode, 100-120 for office and game mode). Now, if i switch profile with TS closed there's no problem at all, if i swtich with TS open tdp change in hwinfo but not in TPL section in TS, and of course triyng to do a cinebench the frequencies is the one that remains set in tdp on TS (even if hwi read the control center tdp set). It's no big deal, cause normally i have to close TS before change mode, but if there's some workaround should be nice...

 

Thanks for the offer but I am going to pass. I have done enough TS programming lately. I think it is time for a break.

@gieffe22 - Use your control center app to control your turbo power limits or use ThrottleStop to control your turbo power limits. Pick one program. It is never a good idea to have two different programs writing different values to the same CPU power limit register.

 

My PL 2 seems to be intermittently throttling under RING (not core). Is the solution to increase Turbo boost short power max?
It's already at 107w (came like this by default).

 

@chaugh - Yellow boxes under RING in Limit Reasons are usually not the end of the world. When playing a game or running a benchmark, is your CPU slowing down? Are these boxes ever continuously red? Turn on the Log File option in ThrottleStop so you have a record of your CPU's performance.

What is the PP0 Current Limit set to and what are your IccMax values set to. 256 and 255.75 are usually good values for these variables.

 

Throttlestop always runs when I boot up my notebook yet doesn't seem to be really working despite it saying it's running.

Eg if I run a full scan using Kaspersy it takes 9 minutes. If I exit throttlestop and start it manually a full virus scan only takes two minutes?

 

Hard to answer your question when you do not provide any details. If you have a problem, why not at least post some pictures of ThrottleStop? What sort of throttling problem are you trying to solve by using ThrottleStop? If your computer does not have a throttling problem then running ThrottleStop is not going to make your computer run faster.

Back in early July you came to the conclusion that ThrottleStop is slowing your computer down. Why are you still running it?

If ThrottleStop is making your computer take 4 times longer to complete a virus scan then delete ThrottleStop. Your Dell XPS has an i9 processor. That is fast enough.

 

I like the new feature of the selection of the power scheme. Can TS also sees the custom schemes, because I made one based on High performance, with custom timers for standby and I removed asking for a pwd at wake up. With the default schemes, I get back the default timers and the computer asks again for a password all the time.

 

The first version of this new feature only allows access to the three default Windows power schemes; High Performance, Balanced and Power Saver. I plan to add access to the customized schemes but I am not yet sure when that is going to happen. Thanks for the feedback.

 

@unclewebb
Request: add current mode info showing "Performance, Game, ...." directly from tooltip moving mouse over TS tray bar icon.

 

@hexaae - The tool tip area is extremely limited in terms of how many characters of data you are allowed to show. That is the problem. Why not just look at the notification area icon? It shows you what profile number ThrottleStop is using. No hovering needed.

 

My PP0 doesnt have anything checked and my core IccMax is set to 200 - is there another IccMax I should increase... cache?

It seems to be intermittent, I never see if flashing red but if I randomly check on the limits reason once in a while, its always RING - EDP OTHER and PL2.

 

@chaugh - If it is not causing a throttling problem then you do not need to worry about it. Run a game or a benchmark. Can your CPU run at its rated speed or does it throttle and squeal like a pig caught in a leg hold trap?

You can try setting the cache IccMax sky high but I do not think that adjuster does anything on most CPUs. You can also try setting the PP0 Current Limit to a big number like 256. It is rare to see only those two lighting up under the RING column.

 

I have a 9750H cpu which able to maintain 4ghz at 70w PKG Power and then when i updated thottlestop to 9.2 from 8.74, the cpu now goes up to 85W to maintain 4ghz and the temps goes up to 95c and thermal throttles where's before the temps were max at 85-88c without any thermal throttling .
I have tried to rollback throttlestop back to 8.74 and the behavior still remains, i have no idea how to fix that.
Any help will be appreciated.

 

Apparently it was something to do with the core voltage values not applying, as soon as -200 was applied the total power consumption went down by 15W from 83-85W to a total of 69-70W at 4ghz using Aida64.

 

Then you should uncheck the new power plan box in TS. No need to add the hook in the box, if you use own customized power plan in Windows.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1211#post-11040140


http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1212#post-11040727

I expected this would come. The custom TS 9.2.1 have cleaner look and without checkmark in the box and you can use your own custom power plan More options features but no bloat is to the best for the users.

 

Why my icon always shows T?

 

Try clicking on the Turn On button.

 

Hello, I don’t know if this place is good for this question, but would like to ask you experts, I was looking for a cheap laptop that I could overclock to ideally stand around 4Ghz on all cores, so the choice went on the T440p. But when I saw how somebody else Haswell laptop has throttled, I’m not so sure. Can anyone tell me from experience if this laptop eventually tweaked by TS is capable keep 4Ghz in the benchmark without massive frequency dropping?
Normally I would opt for the T430, but the T440p attracts me because of Hasweel voltage regulator benefit and also due the CPU more instruction sets. But on the other hand Haswell is known for high temperatures. Currently I am running Ivy Bridge desktop cpu, so no so much fun here. Sorry for bad English.
Thanks

 

Hi! I'm the owner of a Thinkpad P1 Gen 2 (/X1E Gen 2) with a 9750H. Currently from stock I have done:

• Undervolted (stable on -120mv both core and cache)
• Repasted
• Enabled Speed shift - EPP (on stock 128)

The device runs better, but still very (very) hot.

For most tasks I make use of the graphics card and not the CPU, so I want to further reduce the CPU temp a bit. I currently have a lower turbo ratio limit of 40,39,38,37,36,35 instead of 45,44,43,42,41,40 which gives me the desired temperatures and power.

Is this the way to go? or should I reduce the Turbo boost power limits instead?

Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/3INGxbH

Thanks a lot! and Keep up the good work!

 

In TPL window, check off Enable Speedshift when TS starts.
For undervolting, except GPU put all values to 120.1mV and disable hibernate using powercfg -h off in elevated powershell or cmd prompt.
Speedshift 128 is balanced profile, 70-80 is on-demand max clock and greater than 150 focuses on lower power for higher battery life. 0 is aggressive clocks all the time. You can un-check C1E and Speedstep.

 

for thinkpads you have tpfanctrol and https://github.com/hirschmann/nbfc for more general laptops

 

Hey guys dropping by to ask some questions, have not been part of the scene for a while after what the last updates did so please go easy! Is TS now usable again? My Dell system was giving me terrible performance until I learned about how to cap the Turbo. Unfortunately that no longer work. Has anything changed since or is still a case of having to go back to an old BIOS?

Thanks!

 

TS has always been usable but it cannot perform miracles.

If your Dell BIOS has disabled undervolting then it is up to you to find a Dell BIOS that gives you this feature back. ThrottleStop does not have any interaction with the BIOS. TS cannot fix what Dell and Intel have broken.

 

Thanks unclewebb for your continuing work on ThrottleStop, it is greatly appreciated!

A few bits of feedback:

One of my laptops has an i7-8850H. For some reason the SpeedStep option magically enables itself periodically. I think this has happened in all recent ThrottleStop versions. My understanding is that this option is no longer relevant with recent core i processors? If that is correct, then maybe it could be greyed out in the UI, just to avoid confusion (similar to the Power Saver option)?

Also, I'm not sure if this is a known limitation of version 9.x, but I discovered that version 9.2 does not work when installed as a service. To install as a service, I use nssm. Version 8.70.6 still works fine when installed as a service, so I just rolled back to that version on the machine were I need it to run as a service. If this is not a known issue, I'll be happy to provide more info or troubleshoot further if desired.

Thanks

 

ThrottleStop 9.2.2
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

New Features
- added access to custom Windows power schemes.
- changed Windows power profile appearance.
- added reporting of package C8, C9, C10 during standby.

To customize the Windows power schemes that ThrottleStop can access, try adding this information to the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file.

WindowsProfile1=8c5e7fda-e8bf-4a96-9a85-a6e23a8c635c
WindowsName1=High Performance

WindowsProfile2=381b4222-f694-41f0-9685-ff5bb260df2e
WindowsName2=Balanced

WindowsProfile3=a1841308-3541-4fab-bc81-f71556f20b4a
WindowsName3=Power Saver

WindowsProfile4=
WindowsName4=Ultimate Performance

To find the correct GUID value, open a command window and enter this command.

powercfg -L

This will display the default power schemes and the appropriate GUID number that each power scheme uses. Copy and paste the GUID number into the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file and ThrottleStop will use the appropriate Windows power scheme. The optional WindowsName key allows you to name these 4 power profiles to whatever you like.

This new feature is optional. When this feature is not being used, ThrottleStop will default to High Performance, Balanced, Power Saver and Custom.

After TS 9.2.2, I might add a new user interface to ThrottleStop so it will be easier to access whatever Windows power schemes are on your computer. I never use these personally so I will wait for some user feedback.

If you have a laptop with a 6th Gen or newer CPU, you really do not need to access all of the traditional Windows power schemes. Just set EPP to 0 if you want to see lots of MHz when idle and set EPP to 128 or greater if you like seeing a slow and sluggish computer.

@chumley - Thanks for the feedback. Some computers might enable SpeedStep during sleep or hibernate mode. I know there are a lot of SpeedStep haters out there but it has never caused me any problems. Most newer computers that have Speed Shift (SST) enabled do not use SpeedStep so it probably would be a good idea to disable access to the SpeedStep setting.

As soon as I do this, there will be complaints. I always try to balance, how many people will complain if I do something vs how many people will complain if I do nothing. Do nothing usually wins. I will put SpeedStep retirement on the things to do list but it might not get done.

TS 9.0 and later versions use a new driver to keep Windows, Valorant and all the antivirus programs happy. TS 8.70.6 uses the WinRing0 driver that everyone frowns on. If you need to run TS as a service, you will have to continue using TS 8.70.6. Both drivers are out of my hands. No plans or ability to change the new driver so it is more service friendly. That is the price you pay for improved security.

Why do you need to run TS as a service? You should be able to use the Task Scheduler to run TS in the background before any user logs on. You can disable the task bar icon and you can disable the system tray icon so there is no access to the user interface. What benefit is there to being able to run TS as a service? I think I was able to convince the last person that running TS as a service is really not necessary.

 

Hello!
I'm an owner of Acer E15 E5-576G laptop and I'm getting Power Limit Throttling and Current/EDP Throttling at IDLE sitting at 51°C from XTU. And when I try to start NBA2k16, my Max Core Frequency and Procesor Cache Frequency is only 400MHz and reporting Thermal Throttling at 56°C.

What I've already done is I underclocked it by -0.085V using XTU, which is the most stable for me, and cleaned my fans.

Someone suggested to that I should try ThrottleStop,and I already saw the interface of the program but I'm still confused wih the other options. So I'm here asking for guidance. I will try my best to reply ASAP. All I want is to remove the throttling.

Cheers!

Here's a screenshot from XTU while NBA2k16 is opened.

 

I was simply interested in capping the Turbo, is there any form of functionality with TS that for that without a BIOS change right now? I understand this is totally out of your hands and the software in the past has been a lifesaver.

 

Adjusting the Turbo Ratio Limits is the preferred way. When those are locked, you can adjust the Speed Shift Max value in the TPL window.

XTU does not have any features that can help you solve your problem. I would recommend uninstalling XTU.

ThrottleStop has a lot of options to cover a wide range of Intel processors. Many of these options can be ignored. Post some screenshots of all of the ThrottleStop windows. The more information you provide, the better chance I will have solving your problem.

For voltage settings, XTU combines the two voltages into one setting. With ThrottleStop, you need to set the voltages individually. In the FIVR window check the Unlock Adjustable Voltage box and set both the CPU Core and CPU Cache offset voltages to -85 mV so your CPU will use the same voltages as what you were using in XTU.

Thermal throttling at a ridiculously low number like 56°C can be caused by two different things. On the main screen, the first thing to try is clearing the BD PROCHOT box.

Post screenshots of the main ThrottleStop window while your CPU is throttling, the Limit Reasons window so I can see why your CPU is throttling, the Options window so I can see what PROCHOT Offset is set to and whether this is locked or not. I also need to see the FIVR window and the TPL window. In the FIVR window check the Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits box.

I seem to be a regular here so post some more info and I will help you out.

 

Thank you for your response! Here are the screenshots of what you are asking for after doing what you have instructed.

IDLE:
TS Menu
Limit Reasons
Options
FIVR
TPL

WHEN GAME IS OPENED:
TS Menu
Limit Reasons (The EDP other under GPU also becomes red, I just can't make it on time)
FIVR

I just noticed that after uninstalling XTU the 400MHz all cores problem has gone. But the throttling is still there.
Also, when in IDLE, my CPU can reach 3.4GHz but when on the game I could only reach 3.1GHz max, and 2.8GHz worst which is most likely to happen.

 

That is good news.

When you see PL2 in red under the CORE column in Limit Reasons, that is your short term turbo power limit that is causing the throttling. In ThrottleStop you have this set to 44W which is more than enough. Unfortunately, there is a hidden turbo power limit that some manufacturers use. If this hidden limit is set lower than what ThrottleStop is set to, the lower value is what the CPU will be forced to use. Some laptops change the CPU to a lower power limit as soon as the Nvidia GPU is activated. Instead of 15W, it looks like you are being limited to about 11W. Kind of sad.

Do you have any Acer software running on your computer that might be causing this? Maybe some fan control software that also has some cool or quiet mode option? Do a Google search for the Intel Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework (DPTF) driver. It is listed as a, "power and thermal management solution". Look in the Device Manager for this evil. If you can disable and remove this and prevent Windows 10 from reinstalling this driver, it might help out with this problem.

Beyond that, what can you do about this? Probably nothing. You bought a laptop that is being severely limited by the manufacturer. I would have returned it immediately but it is too late to do that now.

In the TPL window try checking the TDP Level Control box and set that to 2. You can also try setting the long term turbo power limit to 25W. I do not think either of these changes will help but it is all that there is left to try.

You can also try checking the High Performance box in ThrottleStop to switch Windows to use its High Performance power profile. If this does not help, go back to the Balanced profile.

Here is how an 8th Gen low power U series CPU runs in a Lenovo C930. No silly power limitations are holding it back.

https://i.imgur.com/eo0J744.png

 

I was surprised too and left confused why does XTU behave like that.

Is there any way to overcome this? Because I'm wondering if ThrottleStop/XTU could somehow configure some CPU settings, why it can't bypass the manufacturer's configurations? Which I think doing the same approach? I'm not an expert, I'm just saying what I think is logical.

I did a clean reset of my laptop last November and all manufacturer's pre-installed software and services were all gone.

I did try researching it and I saw a lot of forums saying to disable it too. I found one that could be seen under Power Options but unfortunately, I don't have any kind of option like this. The other one has two methods: configuring Registry or Group Policy. Here's the link of the second one: Easily Disable Intel DPTF (I was carried away on how he modded his laptop)

I am not aware that there was a thing like that back then. I just bought it because of its price and it's great specs back then in 2018. It was the best laptop I could find at 300$.

I just did it and after running Cinebench R15, I only peaked at 2.5GHz at 57°C

That's awesome. I hope I could make it too.

 

So after running some Cinebench R15 and trying all the suggested configurations, here are the reports of ThrottleStops:

TS Menu
Limits

 

What CBR-15 Score you got?

This is the minimum you should expect


And did you remove the clamp and put in 44 ?

 

I got 553cb only

I can't remove it. I experimented a little and checked the "Lock" thinking that I can uncheck it if it doesn't change anything. Is there a way to reset it? I tried deleting the ".inf" but didn't work.

 

You deleted the TS ini file in TS folder? See... Close TS then delete TS ini file in the TS folder. Restart machine and start on scratch again.

 

Yes, it was ".ini" not ".inf" my bad.

After the restart, I've started from scratch again and this is what I've done:

TS MEnu:
Cleared BD PROCHOT
Checked High-performance

FIVR:
Set CPU Core and Cache voltages to -85.0mV
Checked "Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits"
Clicked Apply and OK

TPL:
Changed "Turbo Boost Long Power Max" to 44 and unchecked "Clamp"
"TDP Level Control" is grayed out but it was configured as unchecked and set to 2
Intel CPU and GPU were changed, I forgot the old values but it is changed now to 11 and 12, respectively.
Clicked Apply and OK

TS Menu:
Clicked "Turn On" and "Save"

Ran Cinebench R15 3 times and my last score is 524

 

Max out IccMax. Try also run CBR-15 with TS disabled. Aka restart without TS start up to see default results.


Proper working 8250U... With similar TS settings

 

TS Off:
527cb, 2.57GHz @ 64°C

TS On (Maxed out IccMax both Core and Cache):
543, 2.72GHz @ 66°C

Doesn't even reach 3.4GHz. It could only reach 3.4GHz when not stress testing or idle, which very weird. When I needed 3.4GHz it doesn't give it to me, and when it is not needed, it runs 3.4 constantly...

Also it is running 3.4GHz @ 4W only. But with Cinebench it runs 2.7GHz @ 18.7W

I just noticed that my Core VID is 100mV higher than yours.

 

You could try out -100mv to squeeze out more performance within the power limits but this won't fix the machine to work properly.

This for all buyers of notebooks. As a reminder how bad it can be.
How Dell cripple performance explained by.....

 

What's even makes me more confused is that at idle it is running @ 3.4GHz with 4W only, while using Cinebench it runs @ 2.7GHz with 19W...

I'll try right away changing to -100mV

I would like also to ask, what are these?

I couldn't find any explanation from these settings.