*HP 2510p Owners Lounge*

Tjmax of the CPU is set to 100 degrees by Intel. The system will auto power off if it hits that temperature as a safety mechanism against damage.

 

my nc2400 mainboard died with around 60 degrees CPU temperature.
The CPU did not die, it seems that the chipset got too hot and damaged.

 

thanks all for your advices !!! I think I am going to buy an external cooler like the Cooler Master NotePal X-Lite ( Newegg.com - Cooler Master NotePal X-Lite Notebook Cooler Model R9-NBC-XLIT-GP ) to stay on the safe side ...

 

Hello again,

okay so after a bit of a false start with the sata 2.5 I had laying around it works problem free from a usb converter, but is complaining about SMART errors in the laptop, so I have a 160gb 7200 sata in the ebay sata->ide caddy and have installed ubuntu 12.04 64 bit. I have the rather pointless and flakey fingerprint reader working.

I have updated the bios from F.05 to the modded bios F.10 (you have to put on F.0A first). the laptop seems to take a while to book up (not miunutes) - it is as if when you go into the bios and try and switch off any of the delays it just sits there instead.??? I have notice 1 or 2 extra options in the bios, I am only really used to dell bios screen but they usually show disk drives and sizes etc, but the hp doesn't show this?

I have no requirement for other items eg wireless card. But I am interested in the dual ida switch in the bios, and wonder if it can be activated in ubuntu? I will follow the fsb amendments guide for ubuntu now I do have a question as to whether this is noticable in the system eg U7600 1.5*2 instead of 1.2?

Also I am sure this has been covered already, but I noticed a white interface socket in the hard drive bay? although the machine seems okay speed wise and incredibly quiet - I did get this as a project machine although it is so much better than my dell510m I do want to look after it - what is this socket, can it be linked up to sata directly or anything?

thanks for all you help so far I will post back after the ubuntu config changes to try and overclock some.

 

okay just running some phronix benchmarks at the moment - they will take a bit of a while !.

I just installed the mes utils and ran glxgears in prep to start trying some of the overclicking and noticed that on nandos guide the glxgears output is

# glxgears
3141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 628.014 FPS
3144 frames in 5.0 seconds = 628.709 FPS
3149 frames in 5.0 seconds = 629.635 FPS
^C
# modprobe i2c_dev
# modprobe i2c_i801
# lfsb -y ics9lprs355 167
-------------------------------------------------------------
CPU frequency : 17.32 MHz (estimated)
PLL ics9lprs355 is supported.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Changing to:
FSB=167 MHz
FSB frequency changed.
-------------------------------------------------------------
CPU frequency : 34.02 MHz (estimated)
FSB=167 MHz
-------------------------------------------------------------
# glxgears
3938 frames in 5.0 seconds = 787.588 FPS \
3930 frames in 5.0 seconds = 785.827 FPS -- Improved rendering speed
3922 frames in 5.0 seconds = 784.286 FPS /

although when I ran it I only got the below:?!

299 frames in 5.0 secs = 59 FPS although it also states it should be the same as the refresh rate which I assume is 60Hz? is there a better setting for the hp2510p in ubuntu or different drivers etc?

Thanks

Stuart

 

I found the ebay caddy has no bios bootup delay whereas the newmodeus one did introduce up to a 30secs delay. For the latter the only solution was to jumper it as slave.

When overclocked, Linux' cpu systemtrays still show the CPU running at 1.2Ghz. Only way I could tell it was overclocked was by comparing the bogomips value (dmesg | grep -i bogo) or by running glxgears. Newer Linux has glxgears capped to 60Hz so no longer useful.. in which case I was using gtkperf to measure overclocked vs non-overclocked performance.

REF: Dual-IDA working on Linux

To add native SATA to a 2510P have three options below. Only the first would allow bootup from the SATA port and has not as yet been done.

1. SATA retrofit tapping the ICH8M I/O pins

2. mPCIE SATA. This would run at 2.5Gbps (pci-e 1.1 x1). NOTE: The mPCIe port is disabled if a non-wifi card is detected on bootup. I used DIY eGPU Setup 1.x's undo-whitelisting feature to enable it. kecsap did the same when installing a Broadcom Crystal HD mPCIe decoder into his 2510P here.

3. PCMCIA e-SATA. I read somewhere this would max out at 133MBps.

The white interface socket in the drive bay is the debug port. It has no SATA pins there. If doing software overclocking then it's useful to connect the debug pins 1+2 together (PLL TME unlock) to correct a frozen PLL after standby/resume.

 

"I found the ebay caddy has no bios bootup delay whereas the newmodeus one did introduce up to a 30secs delay. For the latter the only solution was to jumper it as slave. "

okay well I will look into this running as slave, it is weird as sometimes it just stops on boot showing "press F10 for ROM" for the 30 seconds at least, although other times it doesn't. I have tried different bios settings regarding multi boot delay and f9,f10,f12 delay and it seemed that if you put the delay in there it does boot quicker (unless of course the 30 second delay is still happening but during the other pauses.) it also consistently takes 30 seconds to go into the bios which it wasn't doing before when I was just running via the USB live ubunut.

thanks for the other articles - I will have a look to see what maybe in my ability - obviously I dont want to break anything.

 

Hi Nando,

Okay, I wont be doing anything regarding hardware changing ref sata access.

I have started to look at the dual-ida register amendments and this is quite cool, so I want to try and suceed with it.

Obviously, the article you have supplied is for a different machine - so if you dont mind I will try and write down what I am getting where to see if it is possible to change the settings or at least understand the MSR results.

I run
sudo -s
modprobe msr
rdmsr 0x198
this shows sometimes
60b09100600060b and sometimes 60b091006000910
now I am pretty confident that the 60b is 800mhz * 2 1547
and the 910 is 1.2ghz * 2 = 2320 ???

I think set the mode to performance (I tried this with cpufreq too with teh same results)

so now the rdmsr -p0 0x198 and -p1 results are both

60b091006000910

this is all the time highlighting the cpu are running at full speed

(although you spoiler shows different codes for p0 and p1 here?)

rdmsr -p0 0x199 and -p1 is 910 as above the 910h * 2 = 2.4ghz

----

The next bit I get a little confused with

I run rdmsr 0x1a0 and get

5364852489

I then run wrmsr 0x1a0 0x5364842489 ( I have reduced the 5 to 4)

This has made no difference to rdmsr 0x198 it is still 60b09100600910

Any ideas where or how I am going wrong?

Thanks

Stuart





On a side note, I know that the general consensous regarding using CF is that it is poor, but I will be trying it as a boot drive using a ramdisk for the temp space and the sata -> pata for data and swap files, it will be interesting to see the results.

 

Inspired by the hacked bios and other improvements in this thread and the need to replace a laptop for my kid quickly, I went out to eBay and brought a 2510p, 6510b, and a 8510p, each for less than $120. I "reused" 1 HD and 1 universal power supplier and now I have three perfectly working laptops.
However, with the no-whitelist bios, I was not able to swap out the 4965AG WLAN cards with 4965AGN (made for IBM) cards I already have. I want to use the 4965AGN because I have 5Ghz/channel bonding WLAN set up at home already.
But I keep getting code 10 error (sometimes code 31 error) no matter which version of driver I tried- old or new.
Is there a trick to install these 4965AGN cards or am I not locating the right drivers?

TIA

 

rdmsr -p0 0x198
60b091006000A10

Yes, in the article I wrote here I dual-IDA overclocked a L9400 (7x266=1.86) to 8x266=2.13. On that system the FID (0x199 bit 12:8) was already 8. In your case, you need to set that one to 0xA (10) to gain the extra multiplier. So you'd need to set it follows then toggle EIST on and off to enable dual-IDA.

Code:

## Check is msr module is loaded already
rdmsr 0x198
rdmsr: open: No such file or directory

##  Load msr module and confirm it works
modprobe msr
rdmsr -p0 0x198
60b091006000[B][COLOR="Red"]9[/COLOR][/B]10

## Set governor to performance so cpu runs at highest multiplier during queries
echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor

## Check if IDA is enabled (0x1A0 38:38=0)
rdmsr 0x1a0
[COLOR="Red"][B]5[/B][/COLOR]364852489

## Enable IDA 0x1A0 38:38=0
wrmsr 0x1a0 [COLOR="Red"][B]1[/B][/COLOR]364852489

## Confirm IDA is enabled
rdmsr 0x1a0
[COLOR="Red"][B]1[/B][/COLOR]364852489

## Check current FID/VID values on the cores
rdmsr -p0 0x199
[COLOR=RED][B]9[/B][/COLOR]10
rdmsr -p1 0x199
[COLOR=RED][B]9[/B][/COLOR]10

## Set x10 (0xA) multiplier on both cores
wrmsr -p0 0x199 [COLOR=RED][B]a[/B][/COLOR]10
wrmsr -p1 0x199 [COLOR=RED][B]a[/B][/COLOR]10

## Toggle EIST
wrmsr 0x1a0 0x53648[COLOR=RED][B]5[/B][/COLOR]2489
wrmsr 0x1a0 0x53648[COLOR=RED][B]4[/B][/COLOR]2489

## confirm you are now running x10 on both cores
rdmsr -p0 0x198
60b091006000[COLOR=RED][B]a[/B][/COLOR]10

rdmsr -p1 0x198
60b091006000[COLOR=RED][B]a[/B][/COLOR]10 

Congratulations on the purchases. It's not clear why you are seeing the error 10/31 with your 4965AG. I'd be inclined to check if it's a faulty card or the drivers are correct.

You can see on the first page of this thread that the following non-whitelistd card have been successfully used in a 2510P with the unwhitelisted modded bios: 5100AGN, 6200AGN, 6250AGN and RT2571W.

 

thanks for the help nando a little further but still no joy, i have tried and exact copy of what I am seeing / doing because it is not changing the 0x198 rdmsr result.

#########

~$ sudo -s
~# modprobe msr
~# echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
~# echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
~# rdmsr 0xCE
800b0a193b3b060b
~# rdmsr -p0 0x198
60b091006000910
~# rdmsr -p1 0x198
60b091006000910
~# rdmsr -p0 0x199
910
~# rdmsr -p1 0x199
910
#~rdmsr 0x1a0
5364852489
~# wrmsr -p0 0x199 0xa10
~# wrmsr -p1 0x199 0xa10
~# rdmsr -p0 0x199
a10
~# rdmsr -p1 0x199
a10
~# rdmsr 0x1a0
5364852489
~# wrmsr 0x1a0 5364842489
~# rdmsr 0x1a0
5364842489
~# rdmsr -p0 0x198
60b0910006000910
~# wrmsr 0x1a0 0x5364852489
~# rdmsr 0x1a0
5364852489
~# rdmsr -p0 0x198
60b0910006000910


I dont understand why the rdmsr 0x198 is not switched to 60b09910006000a10 (multiplier 10.)

I am obviously not completely knowledgable of the terms, settings and low level registers, but simply wish to safely experiment

If there is something I am missing or perhaps this simply is not possible then it would be good if it could be pointed out. in brief I am updating 0x199 to a10 from 910 and updating and returning 0x1a0 from 5364852489 to 5364842489 and back to 5364852489. those are the only changes.


Thanks Stuart

 

The reason it's not switching to x10 mode is because IDA (0x1A0 38:38) isn't enabled (=0). x10 mode on a U7600 is the IDA model. Now unlike the 2530P example, your 2510P hasn't got IDA enabled by default. Easy fix is to switch IDA on before doing all the other steps:

Code:

:: Check if IDA is enabled (0x1A0 38:38=0)
rdmsr 0x1a0
[COLOR="Red"][B]5[/B][/COLOR]364852489

:: Enable IDA 0x1A0 38:38=0
wrmsr 0x1a0 [COLOR="Red"][B]1[/B][/COLOR]364852489

:: Confirm IDA is enabled
rdmsr 0x1a0
[COLOR="Red"][B]1[/B][/COLOR]364852489

 

Wow thanks Nando that is excellent.

I ran the benchmark CPU Blowfish and this computer was 16-17 seconds average over 3 or 4 tests after booting up.

in terminal I ran

sudo -s
modprobe msr
> set performance to both cpus
wrmsr 0x1a0 1364852489
> this has enabled IDA mode
wrmsr -p0 0x199 0xa10
wrmsr -p1 0x199 0xa10
> this has upped the multiplier to 10
wrmsr 0x1a0 1364842489
> this has toggled the EIST switch notce 1364852489 to wrmsr 1364842489

rdmsr -p0 0x198
......a10

rdmsr -p1 0x198
......a10

--------------

Ran the same tests and the benchmarks are 13-14 seconds for the same tests happy smiles

------

I also did a performance test after enabling IDA and the additional multiplier but before toggling the EIST and the speed was 15.5 seconds....


now I still have a couple of queries

1. in your example you toggled EIST 0x1a0 twice - > to ....42489 then back to ....52489. I dont understand this? also it seem if I down grade it again I cannto get the speed back up without a restart.

2. I tried echo ondemand to cpufreq cpu0 and cpu1 but the rdmsr 0x198 always stated ........a10

3. is it dangerous to run in this mode all the time?

4. does it use more battery for general low stress use, eg browsing email remote desktop etc

------

I am going to try and create a script to run manually and then perhaps run as a startup script.

It is interesting that the IDA mode is not used at all on a capable machine?

Thanks again for all your help - you are an old fashioned type of genious talking to processors at such a low level, it makes me wish I stayed in my job in defence instead of getting into commercial software.

What about the FSB software wise now too?

Stuart

 

Hello all folks,
im kinda new here. i bought this little biz notebook two months ago.
everything worked fine until that crappy toshiba HDD died.
new caddy from newmodeus arrived yesterday, but i can test it 2 weeks later, maybe.
problem is that before i found this forum i flashed newest bios to that notebook (F.30).
1. will that caddy with classic sata disk work with it?
2. is there any way to flash it back (via emergency recovery?) to older version of bios?
thanks for your replies.

 

Each time, after rebooting from a freeze or crash (presumably) caused by SETFSB, the "Faster" scripts seems to have lost its place/path. It returns error msg like "WScript.Echo is not recognized as an internal or external command.."

But a Path command shows "PATH=c:\windows\system32; c:\windows\system32\Wbem;c:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\"

Both Wscript and Script exe are in the \windows\systems32 folder.

I am running Win 7 32 bit.

TIA

UPdate: Also saw error msg - " Call was unexpected at this time" in the dos windows before the Faster OC script exited and did nothing. Upon some detective works by adding "echo: I am here" lines in different parts of the bat files, I found out Faster.bat tried to call hdd_set.bat even through I have commented off the"set hdd_set=on" line from Params.bat file. I don't have second/slave drive. So I set hdd_set=off in Params.bat instead. Problem solved.

BTW, I experienced the same problem with my second 2510p just purchased from ebay for $50 (shipped). The highest stable speed on the second 2510p is only 155hz x 10.

 

you can certainly run the caddy and 2.5 hdd without the hacked bios, as I installed ubuntu on one before updating the bios The hacked bios does allow some overclocking opportunities and use of non branded wireless cards. I have noticed a massive difference in the lower temp and lack of hot electric smell this evening after not running the overclocking dual IDA EIST lock mode which I was playing with yesterday.

I dont think you can flash it back without swaping out the bios chip with another laptop whilst it is running! much too "break if it goes wrong" for my liking.

good luck

 

btw. the new BJ803AA Batteries have 93W capacity, too.

 

hi I impulse bought a cheap express-card, after remembering seeing that it was an on/off option in the bios for the HP 2510p.

Obviously, the laptop has a pcmcia slot instead, although I am sure I saw somewhere that it is an option instead of the type 1/11 pcmcia. Is this possible or is the bios "generic" accross other laptops which is why the option is visible?

thanks

I really love this little laptop, I wouldn't mind a backlit keyboard though.

 

sorry forget that last post I have found an adaptor for £5, I hope it doesn't simply downgrade the usb 3.0 express card speed to pcmcia speeds, as I thought express card was quicker. I am still not sure whether a new device can be attached directly to the inside. as I noted someone else on here swapping out a smart to pcmcia.

 

I know what you mean. The 2510P is still my favorite chassis from the whole 25x0P series. Appears HP have made the Elitebook 2170P to lure those who love nimbleness of the 2510P/2530P. Technologically, the 2170P still falls short of a 2530P. It has no optical drive, no SSD+HDD option, no 9-cell battery with a paltry 48Whr 6-cell, no expresscard slot and continues HP's WWAN/wifi whitelisting policy. What you do however get is new Ivy Bridge technology and a backlit keyboard, not worth upgrade for imho.

INFO: 2530P nightlight retrofit[/URL]

Way to get a backlit keyboard would be to either retrofit the whole 2530P LCD cover/bezel or just the nighlight component. Only issue is 2510P and 2530P latch mechanism is completely different with the 2530P's nightlight where the 2510P's latch is. Also the 2510P doesn't have wiring for the nightlight so it would to wire up the 3.3V or 5V from a systemboard point.

The 2530P LCD cover is the only 2530P chassis component I wish was on the 2510P due to the extra nighlight/webcam and strengthened aluminium plating. If you did try to retrofit the nightlight then consider doing the http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-business-class-notebooks/670633-elitebook-nightlight-mod.html to get better lighting over the keyboard.

HP EliteBook 2530p LCD BACK COVER AM045000300 495020-00</center>

 

Hi first off, thanks for the great resource this thread is.

Now I have a questions after spending about 8 hours beating my head trying to get my ssd working with a caddy and windows 7 install

specs
-only caddy with ssd is present, no master/slave issue
-clean install on win7 on usb stick
-BIOS is the recommended one in this thread

Here is the caddy I bought

New Slim 9.5mm SATA 2nd HDD Hard Drive Caddy for HP Compaq MultiBay 2510p nc2400 | eBay


bootup to windows7 install works and i get as far as portioning this drive, it fails with 0x80300025 "Windows in unable to install to the selected location"

I tried a million scenarios with the same results. I've read so may forums its getting confusing.

I narrowed it down to TRIM support between the PATA post and the SATA drive. Apparently the the caddy cant handle TRIM? but im confused because people in this thread have been using ssds without this problem, am I the only one that has TRIM on their ssd? is so i there a different caddy i need, no one really advertises it as such.

any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

 

once again I am breaking the suggested route by trying to use a CF as a boot disk in the zif HD slot, ti takes about 20 seconds to boot rather than 40 seconds from sata in caddy. my problem I have is that I set up the sata in the caddy a while bac k now and it works as a boot.

When both drives are installed I get stuck as theyhave some are both published as master, is there anything I can do regarding grub etc, or do I need to somehow set the drive to slave on the caddy drive? I have some pins on the drive to check out, but from some of the historical threads I am sure the caddy needed to be set to slave rather than the drive?

I will try some more experiments, obviously I dont want to spend hours writing data to the CF if it ends poorly and I need to replace the caddy and use this instead.

thanks for any advice.

 

as an update I have now found form this clever forum (nando) that the newmodus caddy has a jumper option, the caddy I have was 30% of the price but without a jumper on the little circuit. now all of these things are far too small for my aging eyes but...... there is some comments about putting some tape over pin 47 to force it to be slave? or does that make it cable select?
I am not too happy with the idea of sticking tiny bits of tape over the pin, as even if I manage to put it on the pin, the first time I withdrawl the caddy from the slot the tape is bound to fall off and then block off something else.

so....


As the tape is to stop the 45 - 47 pin connection from being detected could I cut through pin 47 from the rear of the connector instead?

Any ideas? it doesn't really matter if it breaks the caddy I will simply buy a newmodus one as that was the correct thing to do in the first place but as I only spent £70 on the notebook + 35 sata disk + 10 caddy + 3 lid catch + 6 charger --- it will become more expensive than buying a perfect one from the start.

 

INFO: Setting the ebay caddy to run as slave

Isolating CSEL pin47 didn't help the ebay caddy I had. Instead need to do a slave_mod &, where 3.3V is routed to pin33 to get an ebay caddy running as slave. Mod works with the topda branded ebay caddy. Just be aware that running it as slave will also require the INFO: Undo the slave PATA 30MB/s sequential write speed capping to get full write performance.

 

Crazy chinese ebay user answered my query regarding how to possibly run it in Slave mode with "We are sorry you are disappointed with your purchase, how about you pay £5 and we will send you another one."

I will take it apart and see how it matches up with your example for the Slave MOD, the pictures look much bigger than the actual circuits - I think maybe I will get a newer soldering iron and use my sons magnifying thingy-me-bob for painting his games workshop stuff.

Thanks for the reply

 

Hi there,

Thanks for a forum like this!!

I am in South Africa and have a very neat 2510p that is getting rather tired and slow. I would like suggestions as far as current replcement harddrives are concerned, I would like to stick to Toshiba (Currently a 60GB) but up the size 100GB or 120GB... can anyone tell me what to look for or direct links on Amazon or other sites for me to order a plug and play item...

Also, what are the issues with trying to get more RAM into the 2510p? I currently have 2GB.

Thanks

Callum

 

If you are running windows you may benefit more by reinstalling that.

Once you have forked out for a 120 gb zif disk and 4 gb of memory you are a third of the way to a new laptop with an i3 and 4gb of mem and 500gb disk already installed.

the caddy and 7200rpm sata setup I have is pretty brisk.

with ubuntu installed I rarely get to 1gb of memory used, although the laptop is only really used for email / internet / vpn to office machine.

 

+1 to stuartdb's comments. 4GB DDR2 is very expensive and ZIF SSDs are pricey compared to SATA SSDs.

I'd suggest do the math on a Dell E4300 (DDR3), Lenovo X200 (DDR3) or HP 2530P (DDR2) system upgrade to see if it's worth it. Any of those systems offer similar portability but more performance and battery life than a 2510P while offering 2 RAM slots and a SATA drive subsystem.

Only storage upgrade for a 2510P that's futureproof is a ebay sata-to-pata caddy + 2.5" SSD/HDD. Could sell the 2510P's ZIF HDD + optical drive to recoup costs. Suggest a s/h Indilinx Barefoot equipped OCZ Vertex 2 or G-Skill Falcon II SSD as giving the best price/performance point that's not going to see any decreases in your current battery life.

Other 'free' performance upgrade is jumpering pin1+2 of the debug port in the ZIF drive bay area and overclocking the CPU. A U7600 can easily run at 1.5-1.7Ghz dual-IDA. Then a 2510P is a perfectly capable system for portable admin tasks and websurfing.

 

looks like you tried to have both zip/IDE hard drive and the 2nd hard drive in the bay. I have the same problem but when remove the main zip/ide hard drive, the drive in the bay could be recognized and allow you to install windows. I also wonder how to set as main and slave in 2510p like in desktop.

 

There are two configurations possible with both the 1.8" ZIF HDD and ebay caddy defaulting to master. So you pick which one you want to be master and then hardware the 'other' drive to be slave. I prefer to have fastest boot drive as master.

1) 1.8" ZIF (master-default) + 2.5" SSD/HDD caddy (slave). To make the caddy slave requires setting the slave jumper (newmodeus caddy) or see INFO: Setting the ebay caddy to run as slave

2) 1.8" ZIF (slave) + 2.5" SSD/HDD caddy (master-default). See Jumpering the Toshiba MK8009GAH ZIF HDD as slave for details.

 

Would this be the right thing to upgrade to if I wanted to leave the RAM at 2GB:

Amazon.com: 120GB SATA Fujitsu Mobile 5400RPM 8MB 9.5mm MHW2120BH: Electronics

or

Amazon.com: Toshiba MK1214GAH - Hard drive - 120 GB - internal - 1.8" - ATA-100 - 4200 rpm - buffer: 8 MB: Computers & Accessories

 

The 120GB ZIF SSD is poor value when you can get a 240GB for $104-shipped off ebay, confirmed to work by rangeroverhse8 here. There you'd have a lot of storage, keep your optical drive and that ZIF SSD has quite high recording density so is better performer than your current 80GB ZIF HDD. It scores 4.6 in Win7 disk WEI whereas the stock 80GB scores 3.9.

If you don't mind swapping out the optical drive then I'd suggest grab a 120GB SSD. They can be had for as low as $90AR these days. See Slickdeals: 120GB SSD Search. It would see a Win7 disk WEI score of ~6.3. A massive difference compared to the stock drive or the 2.5" SATA HDD you've shortlisted. A SSD like that makes a huge difference in the 2510P's performance.

 

Thanks Nando,

I need to chat to rangeroverhse coz that seems to be my better option right now. Please excuse my lack of knowledge but trying to figure this out for myself. My only concern is his mention of Windows Vista with "hotfix"...I am running Vista but not sure about the hotfix bit, whats that??

I have also tried to contact rangeroverhse but as far as I can see he has no email or pM facility...

 

maybe your bottle neck is vista

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@nando I have revisited the dual-ida switching and appear to have more luck running it manually, I have created a script and it only works some of the time, I have output after each EIST toggle but cannot locate whether there is a pattern to it. Sometimes it works if it is in /etc/rc.local and sometimes it doesn't ??? It is almost as if it will work with a wait inbetween the toggles. to recap this is my script.

modprobe msr
echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
wrmsr 0x1a0 0x1364852489
wrmsr -p0 0x199 0xa10
wrmsr -p1 0x199 0xa10
wrmsr 0x1a0 0x1364852489
wrmsr 0x1a0 0x1364842489

I am trying out some more experiments surrounding the possible 0x1a0 setting as a single switch rather than the multiple toggles I cannot see a pattern to this at all? apart from the process seems to work if I set it in terminal rather than script execute.

 

Thanks Nando4, I will appreciate your great jobs and try to set zif as main, 2nd hdd caddy bay as slave.

 

Hi Nando,

I have decided the only option I have, or want, without buying new is to go for a 240GB drive as seen on ebay. My concern is that it may not work, how sure are we that rangeroverhse8 had a successful install. I have read other forums and they say the drive is only for Ipod or similar devices and cannot work in a PC or notebook.... read here:

MK2431GAH - 240gb ZIF HDD - Ipod only? - Micro PC Talk Forums

My reson for not going new is that to replace the portability I now have will cost me at least 8 times the cost of the 240Gb drive. Even if the drive only gives me one year of use before something else fails right now it makes sense. PC and Notebooks are expensive in South Africa as we pay huge duties and retial increases.

 

I see why the CF in the ZIF is dissed compared to a 7200 rpm sata disk in a sata->pata caddy.

The benchmarks state that a 200X CF seek time is 0.5ms and read average 50MBs, whereas the hard disk is 1.5ms seek but a massive 90MBs average read rate.

I will see what offers are on perhaps 8GB 400X or 500X CF, The machine runs quickly from startup and I use tmpfs for tmp. The noise is no difference as the HDD in the caddy doesn't make a peep.

If I manage to get the caddy running as slave I expect I will keep the two boot ups entirely different 1 perhaps for OC / Performace and the HDD version for work.

Thanks for all your help.

 

So I bit the bullet some time ago and upgraded my 2510p to a 2560p because I was just fed up with the slowness of the machine. The 2560p is a beast with an ssd, faster than my desktop and just incredible in terms of raw performance.

BUT.....

I really miss the size, battery life, weight, feel, keyboard and screen size of my 2510p.

I dusted it off last night and figure I'll try to get it going a little faster, so i can use it around the house.

I've already got dual ida set up and tweeked it the best I can but all that is left is the Hdd bottleneck now. I did buy a caddy from ebay, and tried it with a 2.5 SSD as master which worked but I fear i bought a cheep caddy which had compatibility problems. The machine would freeze, or perhaps a better explanation would be the Hdd would have significant latency at times. I would do something and would have to wait several seconds for the machine to respond. SO the mouse moved, I would click and icon, and then have to wait.... when the machine decided to execute the click, everything moved fast, but the random multiple second latency with just about any action that required the HDD was unbearable so I scrapped the caddy idea, and am unwilling to buy a second one.

So now I think I want a 1.8 zif ssd as a solution as I really would prefer not to give up the optical drive. I don't need a 240gb drive, although it would be nice, what I want is faster performance from the machine.

The best 1.8" zif ssd Bang for the buck that I have found is the KIngSpec 64GB 1.8″ ZIF (KSD-ZF18.6-064MS) SSD. This can currently be bought for $78.59 on ebay here while not as good value at the 240 gb Toshiba listed above for $104, i think it should offer better performance? right?

Could somebody confirm if this KingSpec drive is a worthwhile drive for 2510p? I know it doesn't have trim support, but I don't think the 2510p bios even supports the setting to get trim working in Win7 (could somebody chime in on this) are there any issues with the controller on this drive? I guess I simply don't want a repeat of the caddy experience of buying the cheapest option out there to fill the requirement only to find out that it may not do all that I want it to do. (also, I am assuming that the KingSpec SSD will significantly outperform the likes of the new 240gb Toshiba conventional drive discussed above in making this machine faster? please correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption)

Thank in advance guys and gals!!

Matthew

 

rangehse8 has several posts about the 240GB Toshiba working and performing well. Only minor issue was a bootup message that flashes by quickly. That same message occurs if using a caddy and is nothing at all to worry about. You'd be the second 2510P owner with one if you decide to go for it.

dual-IDA can only activate when the CPU has some idle time. This is probably 'why it works some of the time'. You'll notice that Throttlestop takes a few seconds to lock in and engage dual-IDA. The author PMed that it has some special code timed to get it right.

Yes.. the 2510P is the best feeling of the lot I've used (2510P, 2530P, 2540P, 2560P, X200, Dell E4300/E4310), however you may well find the changeover costs to a 2530P to be similar to the Kingspec SSD price. A 2530P is technically *a lot better* (faster AHCI sata drive, 2xRAM slots, webcam/nightlight, noticebly longer battery life). Only thing is the metal palmrest/touchpad of which I prefer the 2510P especially in the cold. I do not suggest a 2540P as it's heavier, gets worse battery life, has the silly wifi/WWAN whitelist and the keyboard is a major step backwards. I consider the HP 2530P to be HP's best ultraportable to date. If only someone could retrofit native SATA to a 2510P it would improve performance and battery life.

So you could even replace both your 2510P and 2560P with a 2530P. Sure, it doesn't have the performance of the 2560P but it gets very impressive battery life from a 62Whr/93Whr 6/9-cell and is a lot nicer to carry and use than a 2560P imhp. Seems HP have finally figured out we want something in 2510P/2530P dimensions that isn't a Lenovo X220/X230 hence their new 2170P that still misses the mark (no dual-drive, low capacity battery, no expresscard slot)

If you did want to go for the Kingspec SSD then it's unmatched for bang-per-buck. I've highlighted that in http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...orage/531052-1-8-zif-pata-ssds-available.html . With the ZIF SSD there really are only four options:

1. A Runcore ProIV (Indilinx BF+sata-to-pata bridge), +fastest, +trim, -high power/hot.

2. EWS720-based SSD: +2nd fastest, +low power/cool, -trim.

3. Kingspec (SM2233G): +great value, -no comprehensive performance details, -there were some Jmicron models (avoid!!)

4. A mSATA/microsata SSD + $20 sata-to-pata bridge: +futureproof-use as SATA SSD in newer machines, -requires soldering.

REF: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...1-8-pata-drives-wanting-sata.html#post4559886

 

Looking at mrudenko's postings, maybe an SDD would be a better option. I currently have a 60GB drive and it is still almost enough capacity, 80 or 120 would be better....would going SSD not be far better?

 

I would like to also hear what the performance difference would be. I'm guessing that an ssd will be much faster than a 7200 rpm conventional 1.8 drive, but I believe that the bottleneck would likely be the ZIF controller which I thought I read somewhere an SSD would max out? not sure what the #'s are exactly, but according to THIS post, any new HHD seams to double the performance of the standard issue 80GB drive (actually quite substandard if you ask me ) and it seams that an SSD will increase performance over the new style 7200 rpm HHD but not double it like going from 4200 to 7200 RPM drive.

I have been removed from high tech for too many years to start understanding all the interfaces and transfer rates, but the question should be asked:

All things equal would a 2510p run faster with and ssd in the HDD bay or the Optical bay in a caddy, or otherwise stated as which offers higher transfer rates the PATA controller in the optical bay or the ZIF controller in the HDD bay (or are they one and the same?)

As for size: a 64 GB drive is absolutely adequate to run a laptop with OS, Office and all the regular programs you would need for daily operation just not enough to use as storage for non daily used files/movies/musicdatabase etc.

However Nando (thank you so much for your replies to our questions Mate!!) has offered an interesting proposition with his 4th SSD option for the 2510p:

Because ZIF SSD's are rare and expensive, Option #4 above seams like a cool way to buy a 1.8" SATA SSD and install it into the 2510p hard drive bay using the sata-to-pata bridge. This way you have a better chance at getting a better deal on a large capacity sata SSD and have to pay a $20 premium for the bridge, but have a drive that will be usefull after the 2510p itself dies.

Has anyone fit the $20 sata-to-pata bridge together with a 1.8" sata SSD drive in the 2510p drive bay successfully? I imaging it would be a tight fit but the optimal solution for anyone needing a large capacity ssd drive that doesn't want to spend the $$ on outdated ZIF technology.

For me I will be happy with 64 gb in my 2510p, heck I've used it with 80GB for close to three years now with no issues.

Nando, as for trying your performance pack, I'd be game as long as its reversible, I spent far too long trying to use throttle stop with the failed caddy install on my 2510p (which lead to me purchasing the 2560p out of frustration), however it might take me some time to get to the attempt as I need to order the SSD then find time to install the OS etc. etc. So if you don't mind waiting likely until sometime in late Aug/early Sept I'm game.

Thanks again!

Matthew

 

Cheapest way to get speed and capacity is to swap out the optical drive for a caddy + HDD/SSD. If you want to keep the optical drive then it's a question of whether you want capacity or performance or a balance. The $104 240GB ZIF HDD is great value, as is a $79/$142 64GB/128GB Kingspec ZIF SSD. You'll have to decide.

The PATA interface in a 2510P tops out at 100Mb/s read and 88MB/s writes. A fast ZIF SSD like a Runcore ProIV will decrease your bootup by 2-3 times given it's much faster 4kb IOPs, making it perfectly adequate for basic admin/office work. Where PATA falls short is (1) large bulk transfers. SATA-II/III can offer 250/500MBs transfers where the ZIF SSD will ge around 80MB/s, (2) no AHCI's NCQ for multi-threaded read/writes and (3) no AHCI link power management so it consumes more power.

@matthew, I find your result with the ebay caddy + SSD a little baffling. Certainly the newmodeus caddy had issues with TRIM requiring it to be disabled with 'fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1' or else it would introduce huge write lags. Perhaps give that a go?

Having a SSD in the optical bay or ZIF drive bay makes no difference to performance. Only difference is if it's jumpered as master (default) or slave. Slave defaults to slow < 30MB/s writes, though there is a workaround on the first page.

I'm pleased to see some interested in option #4 (the $20 sata-to-pata bridge). Our friends over at 51bn.cn have succeeded in adapting the exact same board to host a microSATA SSD in a ZIF-equipped HP 2710P tablet. See snippet + full links with a at-a-glance summary below:

 

Thanks for the explanation regarding the EIST dual-ida lock - requiring the processor to be in idle in order to set it.

I did notice that the top FID setting is A19 (I have seen this in the 0x198 - about 5 chars in) it sometimes appears then changes around to different values. And have seen some other scripts which you basically run in the background to try and remove the thrrottling by constantly writing the highest FID value back to the processor using wrmsr - I did see it on a wiki if I can find it again I will post it - so that you can peruse to see whether it


I have to be honest the more I look at making the changes to various things with this little notebook the less I want to do them - the caddy + 7200 sata is ample ther battery lasts for 4-5 hours easily - the display is clear.

I am not keen on losing the speed of the sata by forcing it to be slave (although I see there are other work arounds)

I have checked my caddy and it is different to the example of powering the pin 33 of the ide interface

 

Nando, here are pictures of the caddy I purchased, if it make any difference the chip has the following on it " EMP EMP5523 OSJN" or the last bit might be "05JN" which can't be read in the picture





I installed a 60 GB OSZ Vertex 2 which I bought new in the box for $40 and installed 32 bit Win7 ultimate on it. Updated all the drivers and in fact did set the dos window command fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1 and also installed the moded bios with quite fan, and completely removed the 1.8 hhd to get the caddy drive to be recognized.

In the end I had the latency issue where the mouse would move, but a desktop icon would not highlight if hovered over or clicked for a couple of seconds. this behavior was present also with keyboard entry, so I'd type something and only the first character would appear and I would have to wait for the rest. I must say this was incredibly frustrating, having spend many hours upgrading this pc to get it to go faster and the end result was a slower PC. I gave up concluding that the caddy I bought is worthless, as its innerds where different than the pictures I found in this forum, the electronics seamed very minimalistic in comparison, hence the photos above (Also, it didn't come with a face plate and the holes didn't even match up with stock face plate to add the bad experience)

Here is the ebay listing for the caddy I bought.

Thank you again for your input and the great pictures on the bridge install above, great solution!

Edit: BTW the above Vertex 2 SSD is in my 2560p now and works fine, with the exception that I'm getting a low windows experience # for the HHD ( I think 5.9 ), need to tweak a couple of things I guess to fix this, just haven't got around to it, so I believe having the SSD working in the 2560p should eliminates possible faulty SSD issues from the caddy install problems I had.

 

The good news is that forcing the caddy to slave has no performance impact in Linux. It's only the Windows driver that dowgrades the performance as it uses 33Mhz (40-pin) rather than 66Mhz (80-pin) timing data based on reading the cabling data from the drive/IDE controller.

I did try to see if there was a Windows registry hack to override this Win driver issue but found none, so resorted to a quick workaround of just manually changing the IDE pci-e config registers for 66Mhz operation.

The EMP5523 is a voltage regulator. That's not the sata-to-pata bridge.

Can you remove the caddy's bottom cover and look for a large chip labelled Marvell, Sunplus or Jmicron? That's the sata-to-pata bridge chip. I know that the Sunplus ones are terrible and cause all sorts of issues. The Jmicron one too has issues where TRIM must be disabled (it's used by newmodeus). The best one is the Marvell which Lenovo have used for years in the sata-to-pata caddies. Your OCZ Vertex 2 is a SF1222 based SSD and I did briefly test a Renice X3 using the same controller in a newmodeus caddy with a Jmicron bridge and it worked.. just needed to disable TRIM and put up with a 30s bootup delay. I tested it in a ebay caddy with the Marvell chip and it worked brilliantly.

Oh.. and the 5.9 score when using the Vertex 2 in the 2560P is likely due to you running many benchmarks on it and the controller has pulled back performance to ensure NAND performance. The fix is to secure erase the Vertex 2 and not do so much writing in a short time interval. Then you'll get a ~7.5 WEI disk score in the 2560P and ~6.3 in a sata-to-pata caddy.

 

OK CHINA IS ON SALE!!! the crazy guys just added another 10% discount so I just hit the BUY button on The KingSpec 64GB ZIF SSD for.... get this.... $70.73 USD shipped on ebay. I think I can't go wrong here.

As for the caddy, Nando is the man again. My caddy has the Sunplus SPIF223A-HLO22 MQ4T373.1 1134-006000 chip on the back as well as a nice Pass QC sticker LOL

So I would ask that someone in the appropriate spot here in this forum black list these Sunplus bridge chips to avoid someone else going through what I went through trying to get an the wrong ebay caddy going.

Thanks again for all the input !!

 

That's a hot price for a 64GB ZIF SSD. Though at the same time it's about where it should be since the superior 64GB EWS720/RuncoreProIV unit can be had for ~$115. REF: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...-1-8-zif-pata-ssds-available.html#post6861746 .

Not sure if you still want to but the Marvell ebay caddy + your $40 2.5" Vertex 2 SSD would perform noticably better, especially the writes, at what works out to be a lower total price. There you would however be sacrificing your optical drive.

If you can consolidate all your details about you caddy experience (the Sunplus sata-to-pata chip, the SSD stuttering issue unresolved by disable TRIM, pics, etc), in a new post or added to an existing one then I'll link along with a blacklisting intro so others aren't caught out with a dud caddy. You may well find that Sunplus caddy is fine for 2.5" SATA HDDs only.

 

Please send the link for the ebay SSD... I think it may be worth me looking into this.

My biggest issue is I have no IT experience and need to get help with what to buy in order to make this work and speed up my 2510p. You speak about primary and slave drive etc...confused now!

If I was willing to lose my optical drive what would I need to do to change to SSD?

 

So for the HHD bay ssd solution simply do a search on ebay for "1.8 zif ssd 64" and the listing for the kingspec ssd will come up. I paid $70.73 shipped for this yesterday.

The issue here is that you are paying the same $$$ for old technology as you would for faster new technology, so this drive will only be useful in the 2510p or other 1.8" ZIF applications.

If you want to use the optical drive bay then you need to buy a sata-to-pata HHD caddy for a HP2510p from ebay. But please take care that you inquire with the vendor before hand and make sure it is using a Marvell and NOT a Sunplus or Jmicron computer chip/bridge. (the Jmicron works but may introduce a 30 second lag on boot up)

Next buy any 2.5 Sata II/III SSD that you like and use it with the caddy in the optical bay. This will require that you configure the slave/ master drive issue between the optical drive bay and the HHD bay. The simplest solution is to simply remove the HDD bay drive altogether and the 2510p will then see the optical bay as the master and your good to go. if you want to use both drives, please read though this entire thread for master slave solutions.

Now this is all for SSD drive replacement, you can also simply do a regular drive replacement as well to and go from 80 gb 4200 rmp drive (most common in the 2510p) to a 240 gb 7200 rpm drive for about $105 (best value right now $ per GB) and still see a performance increase, just not as good as a SSD.

Good luck

 

Thank you for the reply.

I have been thinking a lot about what to do... I am no IT fundi and am leaning towards the 240GB HDD replacement as per rangeroverhse8's posts... I just don"t know enough to fix an issue is one arrises with the SSD options... My 60GB PATA 1.8" HDD was more than quick enough when new for me so it can only be better than that right? May also upgrade to Windows 7 and ditch Vista, that may help...