Hp 8510 P - upgrade from hd2600 to firegl v 5600

Schoko,

could I also have the latest XP64 driver? or just the files needed?

And going back to discussion about XP vs Win7 and 32bit vs 64bit... From what I have seen Win7 is at least as good as XP and for me Solid Works is the main app to be used and latest version (2010) works nicely on Win7 so I can upgrade both
I could live with the lower performance in CAD if the driver was unavailable but since Schoko has done great work here I can enjoy it in it's best

Win7 for has a couple of nice features especially since I have the Ultimate version paid 10quid for it LOL been very lucky though

And for any intensive work you need more RAM and since 32bit is limited to only 3GB the solution is simple... and so far, I either moved to slightly different software for certain tasks to have it in native 64bit or use 32bit software that works fine. Haven't had any problems really so dunno what some people were complaining about

 

sent you a pm with the xp64 driver. when you are benching the driver could you please post the number here for comparison?

btw. where do you get such a cheap win 7 ultimate version. i´m curious...
rightnow i have just the enterprise trial version installed, but now i´m thinking of migrating to win 7 completely....

 

There was a deal for employees of certain retailers in UK and I was eligible had to do a MS brainwashing session (pass 10 or so tests, fairly simple though) and just pay for postage
As I said, have been VERY lucky otherwise wouldn't even thing about going for Win7 as I am not a student anymore. UK also have a few great deals for Pro version for students as well.

Thanks for the driver. Have to get SpecViewPerf 10 first but with their slow FTP server it is going to take at least 2 hours..

 

Ok, got the SVPerf 10 but got a question... what settings I am suppose to test at? Native resolution 1680x1050? or the lower for all tests as per the selectable setting from the menu?

Also, Schoko, is the standard uninstalation through CPanel enough or should I be getting rid of it in a more sophisticated way ?

 

1280x1024 is the standard (and what we have been using).

 

As JohnnyT already posted 1280x1024 is the standard.

about uninstalling , well the driver will be updated via the have disk method. but sometimes the stupid, stupid,stupid ( can´t say it often enough : stupid) Catalyst Control Panel makes a lot of trouble.
make sure you uninstall the ati software properly, or it could happen that you can´t start your CCC after a fresh install - i´ve seen that happen way too often !!

 

Hi, Schoko thanks for your new link, i just tried here and same problem than yesterday, black screen with just mouse cursor on the screen!

Is this normal that the file patched has bigger size than the original? Maybe you can give me your way to patch the file, with riva tuner so i could try by myself!

Do i have to uninstall Catalyst CC driver before updating my Ati driver? Something wrong in my process?

 

well, the file is bigger.
thats because the ati2mtag.sy_ is compressed. to disassemble and patch it you need to uncompress the file to ati2mtag.sys ( thats the actual file ) for the installation it does not matter if the file ( atim2tag.sy) is already uncompressed but simply renamed from ati2mtag.sys to ati2mtag.sy_

before installing the new driver you should definitly uninstall the ccc and all other ati software.

well, about the installation method , how do you install the driver ?
do you use setup, or do you install the driver manually ?

// edit
please make sure that you use the "have disk"-method for installation under win xp. you will find a guide here : http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/33-have-disk-method-for-windows-xp/

 

Disk method, that's why i don't understand! Which what soft can i uncompress the file?

 

just to get this straight :
i only explained it to you why the file is bigger than the original. it´s because of i already uncompressed it. that´s about it.

but what i was asking was did you use the have disk method to install the driver, or did you use setup ? because the setup does not work in this case.

you have to install the driver with the "have disk" method.
the have disk method for installing a driver in win xp is explained here :

http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/33-have-disk-method-for-windows-xp/

skip the first few steps, since it is about extracting an nvidia graphics driver.. follow the steps from step to the end



i hope you have replaced the driver´s *.inf with the file i uploaded.
make sure to delete all copies of the ati2mtag.sy or ati2mtag.sys and only have the one i uploaded this morning in the correct folder.

so please check are the files i uploaded in the correct folders ?

once you did that all you need to do is use the have disk method to point to the driver´s *inf.

after that you see a window where the drivers info on compatible hardware is shown, at this point there should be fireglv5600 as an option. just choose it and proceed.

after your are done with installing the driver reboot.

 

I've used the disk method, i used your .inf that you gave me first. Then you said me it was a bug in the ati2mtag.sy. Is the .inf could be wrong? Cause when i tell you my problem, you regave me the right ati2mtag.sy but not the .inf

And i used the disk method of course. Im' retrying, uninstalling the ati stuffs first.

 

the *.inf file is ok. if this combination does not work, it might still be a problem on my side. maybe i haven´t updated this patchscript ( for 8.634) properly from the last version.

you can try once again, but if it does not work i suggest you patch the files yourself. i will provide you a working patchscript for driver version 8.634

i´ll upload the definitely working patchscript for 8.634 and sent you the link via pm.

you will need the corresponding driver 8.634 and that one you will find here:
http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/2...ed-driver-8.634-windows-xp-free-download.html

 

Tried and tried again and patched myself, still doesn't work!!! So i don't see my problem... I followed the steps.

 

Guys, Schoko,

Managed to test the XP64 driver you PM'ed me. Even with the troubles I got installing it, seems like it is actually working. I've done the test and seems like there is a bit of an improvement over older drivers except for Maya.

x64 Main test - OLD driver


x64 Main test - NEW driver



x64 Multi-thread (2) test - OLD driver


x64 Multi-thread (2) test - NEW driver



The only problem is... CAN'T OVERCLOCK ANYMORE!!!!
And dunno why really...

At the moment I am not really bothered since the old driver was ok for O/C and I am moving to Win7.
I would love to have somebody test and report for same issues as I had with this XP64 driver and O/C and MAINLY how does it look like with o/c in Win7

 

hi destiny.

well, i have read your pm concerning your installation problems. is it possible that the path depth is too long ? if there are more than 255 characters of path depth xp or some programs running in xp still have trouble nowadays. othewise i could not explain, why certain files can´t be copied by the installation procedure. the driver installation on my notebook was flawless. and since the crc of the rar files seems to be ok, i can only think of something like the path depth as a problem.

concerning the overclocking behaviour, i have not tested that yet, but now that you mention it i guess i´ll have a look.

btw. the images you linked are not displayed in my browser.

 

Might be the path depth as I had a problem with that when installing CCC. If it was OK on yours it must be this... It could also be a problem for o/c?
Looking forward to your outcome.

I'll update the links in a minute. Stupid image hosting website...

 

i guess i´ll just post my ocing results without linking pictures.
well, just tested ocing in win 7 x64. it seems like it is working here. i used the amd gpu clock tool version 0.9.26 for overclocking the card.

ran a test of the solidworks bench in specviewperf10(x64), one in cinebench r10 x64, and at last i have benched furmark 1.7.

the tests were run once with stock clocks of 500mhz / 600mhz, and once with a setting of 614.25mhz/693mhz for core and ram.

so at least in win 7 oncing looks like it is working. though i thought there might be a bigger improvement in cinebench and specviewperf i am pleased to see that at least in furmark the performance scaled better compared to the actual speed increase.
note: i have just run the tests once, with a load of other tasks and programms opened, so the results could even be a tad better

and here are the results for xp 64 firegl diver 8.634 ( hd2600 mobility@firegl)

both drivers for win xp64 and win7 x64 do show good results in ocing the hd 2600 in firegl mode. whats interesting is that the older software like solidworks benchmark from specviewperf10 and the opengl benchmark from cinebench do show better results in xp64, while the newer furmark 1.7 seems to be better optimized in win7.

 

Sorry for the delay, but due to the extremely slow downloading speed of the Specview files, I haven't been able to download it yet. (No internet at home, and I am constantly on the move for work with my notebook.)

With some luck I'll manage to get the files in the near future.

In the meantime, I you want, I could host the drivers on my own server.

 

Hello! I have been researching the mod for a while and after at least 6 different forums jumps came to the conclusion that this was the best thread for getting this mod going on my laptop.

I have an Gateway M6862 w/ an HD2600 so I'm assuming this mod should work for it as well. I understand that it is for workstations, but what kind of gaming performance increases could I expect? Also as I read through the thread I could get a kind of rough idea, but does this have complete compatibility with Windows 7 64-bit?

Thank you


EDIT: My ATI drivers have already been mobility modded to the latest Desktop driver 8.690.0

 

i) Gaming performance increase? Zero. This weren't made for games.

ii) W7 64bit? Yes I believe so.

Lastly, you will have to PM schoko for the drivers.

 

because I'm not able to write PMs:

could someone please send me the latest x64 driver by schoko.
I would like to test the performance in win7, too.

Or do I need at least 5 post even to receive PMs?

 

Yes you will need 5 (useful) posts to enable the PM facility. The user group changes at 11pm (EST I believe) every evening meaning the PM options willnot be enabled right away.

 

thanks for your fast answer.
... then I need some more posts and wait till it is 5am in my place. that's bad.

 

If I had the x64 drivers I'd send it to you. But I only have x86 (32bit) ones.

 

hmm ... no good news.
I want to do a big step forward. At the moment I have XP 32bit with the firegl mod and want to test dual boot with win 7 64bit, i just did receive from my university.
Anyway, I need to clean at least on partition on my hdd, and read the whole thread again to know how to do the mod.

 

just a question regarding the reverse modification - is it possible to use a firegl/firepro gpu as a radeon when modifying the upcoming official ATI mobility drivers (from 10.3 on)?

this would be very interesting as then i would get an elitebook 8540w with the firepro M5800 and use it as a radeon 5800 it is based on for gaming.

 

The o/c thread for HD2600 and HP8510p is closed so I guess I will update my findings here since you are potential interested people anyway

While waiting for the Win7 x64 modded driver I tried some o/c on my fresh Win 7 Ultimate and came across some problems. Well, AMD GPU Clock Tool 0.9.7 (2008 release) is no good I tell you!!!
Have no idea why tho...

After some googling I found version 0.9.26 (2009 release) dedicated for some higher end HD58xx something with VOLTAGE CONTROL!!!

Tried it... and this AMAZING!!! not only I beat my previous o/c results without any problem, but also tried the overvolting with it and it seemed to work (well, at least as reported by the Clock Tool).

A I am typing it, my HD2600 is running no problems at 660MHz Core, and 800Mhz Memory (500/600 stock) which is ~33% improvement!

Did some nechmarking with FurMark and stability test and is a charm Never been happier with this card ever Will more combinations as I am at work at the moment (lol).




Oh... and BTW. haven't done my undervolting of the CPU yet so the temps should be well under control

Ps. That is with 9.9 ATi drivers modded with DH Modder.
Ps2. You might wonder why I put the screen with lower clock speed than I said I achieved. Well, this combination gave the best FurMark score

 

Do you have a link for the 0.9.2.6 (2009 release) version?

EDIT: Ahhhh! It's 0.9.26.0
http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-GPU-Clock-Tool-v0.9.26.0-For-HD-5870-download-2383.html

 

Yep. That's the one Johnny T

Edit: driver is Mobility Radeon HD2000 series beta 9.9 from ATi modded with DH Modder
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx

 

I think through the test I have pretty much confirmed that the real GPU temp is TZ_5 on HWmonitor. At 650/750 it hit 100C, whilst that might still be a false reading just like the "GPU temp" which topped out at "59C". I have never seen the "fake" temp at over 47C myself.

Perhaps it is TZ_2. All I know is that the 8510p fan went full pelt near the end of the test. D: Time to push it harder.

I am running W7 32 bit and schoko's 32 bit V5600 drivers by the way, and version 0.926.0 works just fine.



Update1: Actually yeah, probably TZ_2, that hit a max of 93C during the test. And here is the result...


Time for more.

 

Good news then
Have you tried the voltage adjustment yet?

 

Yeah, the voltage is at 1.100V, I am sure it would have BSOD'd if it was on the default voltage what ever that might be.

Annnnnd 3, 2, 1, crash... 695/792 clocks didn't work out too well. haha

With 695/783...

 

How come you have GPU temp shown there...?

Ahhh... just noticed. Your score was better gotta work on mine when I finish with my RMClock adjustments

 

It's not accurate anyway. The 8510p'd GPU temp is stupid. TZ_2 on HWmonitor seems to reflect a somewhat reasonable temperature. I kinda hit 101C on my 695/792 run, I should have let it cool down first.

I ran a couple of tests on the source engine (Half life 2) stress test.

595/695 - avg. 109.7fps
695/783 - avg. 125.91fps

Thats a 14.8% improvement with a avg. ~14% increase in clock speed (averaged between core/mem clock). GPU temp (aka TZ_2) hovered at around 60C after the two runs.

I here by declare this a HD2600XT!!!

 

If it was 100C you would feel it radiating through the plastic!
I had a long argument with Aceron loong time ago on this and at the end he agreed with me
I checked with my lab thermocouple and although the reading was off it was in a range of 30C (showing ~22-25C) when idle and going up to ~40-45C when working hard.
I believe the problem is becouse of the heatsink connecting CPU and GPU hence heat from CPU raises the GPU temps.
I have 2 days ago cleand mine, put new AS5 on both, new thermal pads on memory (GPU) and bridge (one next to CPU).

Currently running Orthos, SW2010 installation, Opera etc. @1.8GHz (9x200) 0.9125 and getting 55C max on CPU GPU Clock Tool reports 23C.



15FPS MORE niiice run it at stock clocks and let us know the REAL improvement

 

Yeah at fresh boot, the GPU temp is usually around the low 20s. I think it got way too hot because I ran 5 consecutive tests. I can't see it got much higher than 70C even with these super clocks.

With my T8300 undervolted, it doesn't usually go above 55C for me either.

I should probably move these posts to the 8510p owner's lounge. The forum has an auto thread close feature for threads that have been idle for 12+ months. I will do that later, then I will PM you the link.

EDIT: I will run it on stock clocks later, need some food first. And I don't know, does the HD2600 really run that cool at <30C idle? I'd think it should be in the 35 ~ 45 range?


EDIT2: Stock clock, source engine test - 93.71fps. meaning our new super clock yields a 34.4% increase. I am going to try a stable core speed of 650 and an even higher mem speed of 800+. See what effects that might have.

648/810 - 120.24fps
675/810 - 124.77fps

 

This card is purely amazing for o/c...
Will update you soon but I got higher with my clocks than you johnny T...

Shame I don't have any games to test at the moment.
What will you say for HL2 Lost coast benchmark?

 

It is indeed! We almost sound like the gaming bunch in here. haha

Why not use 3Dmark 06? I was too lazy to download it last night. I suppose I shouldn't use the source engine bench mark as the source engine is actually quite CPU dependent.

 

Well, apart from using it for CAD work I do game a little on it
Was in heaven when could play The Witcher at native res full details with AA
Shame I didn't have my 22" LCD monitor at the time... seems like I will have to play again

 

does anyone of you guys know whether this is possible? i would be very interested since i also own a 8510p gb967ea now, but i really need some fresh power for the latest games and i want to stick with the amazing quality of the elitebooks (8540p/w) since i am not satisfied with the build, look and some other points of the envy 15 (mainly the ports on the right side only which are terribly placed if i want to have a mouse pad and a mouse on the right side, which probably most people want while gaming, and the missing i7 620 cpu for people who want usb 3.0 but rather need dual cores for gaming than quads).

 

If you, or someone mods the drivers for the GPU then yes it is technically possible. But the drivers for the HD2600 will not work for anything else.

 

i used to mod the official desktop drivers manually in order to make them work for the hd2600 and it worked perfectly. although it probably doesnt matter in real-life usage, my synthetic benchmark scores (3dmark & pcmark) went up to 3550 and 5500 in comparison to the scores with hp's official drivers and those modded using mobility modder.

so is that required driver modification comparable to that modding the desktop drivers in order to support mobility cards? if yes, thats extremely easy... then i only would have to insert the firepro's hardware id into the list of the c#_#### files and mod the setup files accordingly to make the setup.exe file work and thats it!

that would be great, then i would have a high-end firepro gpu working as a radeon 5800 it is based on! that probably would equal or even beat an envy 15's gaming performance if i took the 8540w with my desired i7-620 cpu!

 

Ok then...

That is my best result so far for FurMark



Funny enough, it is done on currently available HP driver for our card
Same clocks on Win7 default driver (Catalyst 9.7) gave 1131 points.

This makes it a stunning 48% gain!!! lol

Next on the list - Schoko's V5600 driver

 

Holy cow! Those clocks!

 

Yep... I had to pick my teeth from the floor when I saw it finish
It is not fully stable on HP drivers though, 3D Mark 06 crashes. Funny enough, on the Catal 9.7 GPU temps were lower and all test went flawless...
Have to revert back to it to test 3D Mark as I didn't have it then.

Johnny T, please bear in mind that this score is actually at full res 1680x1050 as it was more realistic that way

 

D: Yeah I saw that, I don't think I can handle doing it at full screen 1920x1200.

 

crazy good score ! Did you get the 7-64 drivers ? Let me know if you get them to work , I could not

 

Right...
couple of announcements
1. Those clocks are unstable mainly because of the temperatures. Shame I don't have a nice 120mm fan to blow on my CPU/GPU 3D Mark fails on the 3rd test :/
2. Temps shown by GPU Clock are rubbish. I said it... yeah - THEY ARE INCORRECT!
3. I will try to get my thermocouple on it tmrw to test and see which ones seem the most realistic one. So far I believe it is Remote 1 or TZ2 from HW Monitor.
4. The stable clocks I get through 3D Mark are 695/792 which give 1590 and 1954 points in gfx test. Improvement of ~37% from stock clocks score Still to run a proper one including CPU but I think I should break 4500 barrier.


Jerry66, this is my 4th Win7 installation and I tried the driver but didn't get far (see point no 5. - I messed up to much ).
I will give it a 2nd go tomorrow as I have a fresh system now.

5! Don't ever use Driver Cleaner in Windows 7! it doesnt work corretcly!

 

Heheh, TZ_5 is a possibility too. Besure to run 3Dmark @ 1280x1024.

 

Wooohoo 3d Mark 06 score - 4647 Fully stable at my max clocks of 743/846



Improvement of 45% overall compared to the stock clocks result Temps hit a 72C mark on GPU (I know which ones are which now) but that is it I guess it's my cooling mods that do the job, as when I had the keyboard lifted (and thermocouple connected it was crashing because of temps).

Now... temperatures I used HW monitor and a Multimeter which has a temperature TC, with 1C resolution, and 1%+3 C accuracy. So, within this range (100C max), max error is +/-4C which isn't bad. Lower temps have about +/-3C max error.
When I had my keyboard off I was using FurMark at 1024x768 (not full screen) to monitor the temps. With the keyboard back, I only used HW Monitor and tested with 3D Mark.



TC (thermocouple) was attached to the space between copper heatpipe and alu plate in the center of GPU.
when there is no reading for it, it means that I had put my keyboard back in place.
Where I missed some temps I had crashes because of temps Tz2 and Rmt1 (Remote1) hitting 100C limit.
All this lead me to following conclusion:
Tz5 temp is really a FAN speed in %. It never goes above 100, and it switches in big jumps, ie. 50-60-75-95-100. And it happend when I could listen to the fan kicking in to higher speed. Also, during final 3DMark tests the fan never went to max speed which is reflected in 75 reported in Tz5.
Tz0/1 report almost identical temps to Core1/2 so I believe they are most likely extra sensors.

Now... Remote1 and Tz2 give same results... so guess it is detected twice by HWM and I believe this is the GPU core temp really.
Local temp behaves a bit odd, and I think it's used to switch the fan speed or it could be an external sensor for GPU as the temps come very close to what I had with my TC.

I would love to be able to modify the fan settings and I think I saw a post on it... maybe someone could direct me to the right topic?
Next I will try to test Schoko's driver I got from Jerry66 and maybe go higher with the clocks and 3D Mark them

Edit:
Schoko's driver work perfectly