Hp 8510 P - upgrade from hd2600 to firegl v 5600

just checked it with mozilla, and it is working fine for me.
http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=dseo

um concerning the 32 bit driver, i have not done 32 bit vista / win7 for now. i concentrated on x64.

will have a look into that matter and probabaly send you a modded driver later on. first i need to download and disassemble it.

but now i am confident that it´ll work in vista / win 7

 

Thanks.

Strange it isn't working in FF or Chrome for me, I will try it again later.

 

Hey JonnyT,

i am currently uploading a patched display driver(ver 8.634), in this case it is only the device driver, nothing else. you would need to install the driver via the have disk method.for installation under win 7 / vista 32 bit i am thinking that you would only need to switch off the driver signing, thats all you need to do. the 32 bit os is not as tricky when it comes to using your own drivers.


if you need the rest of the driver( ccc, hydra, maxtreme driver, hdmi..) you´ll find it here :

http://support.amd.com/de/gpudownload/fire/Pages/fire_win7-32.aspx


please be so kind to check whether the driver is working normally or not. It would be great if you also could check if the opengl acceleration is working fine . some numbers from the specviewperf 10 would be sweet.

sending you the dl-link via pm as soon as it is uploaded.

 

Thanks schoko. That site is still not working for me for some strange reason, not just the thread, it won't even load on to the site. I should be able to find abit of time early next week to try the drivers out.

The download link isn't working, "download is currently unavailable".

 

try refreshing a few times. experienced that problem with megaupload a few times already. sometimes their servers don´t work as well as they should.

 

Still getting "The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable.", I will try again later today.

 

Alright, got the drivers (finaly) installed. ( This guide is a bit more easier to understand the "have disk" method.)

Once Specview is downloaded, I'll try to post some results.

 

thanks for the link. this should explain the "have disk" method for everyone.

the specviewperf will show us if the opengl acceleration is working properly, and if the driver modification has worked out.
so far it sounds good already.

you have the driver installed. is everything ok so far ? display resolution ? responsiveness of the system ?... if thats the case then the 2d part of the driver is working well.

i am curious about the benchmarks results. the final verdict will be spoken afterwards ....

 

@ matias

btw. you can find the rest of the driver ver 8.634 for windows 7 and vista x64 at ati here :
http://support.amd.com
you can install the hdmi, ccc, hydra(multimonitor) and maxtreme(3dsmaxdriver) manually after you have installed the graphics driver.


when you run specviewperf there are quite a few options to start the program:

the run all tests will run the all the tests for the different programs(catia,maya,3dsmax...) and when it is done it will start another series with 2x multisampling, after that 4x multisampling and finally 8x multisampling. if you choose that option you will need more than 2 hours for the whole test. it may be a good benchmark for stability, but it is more than we need.

the command run viewperf 1280x1024 under specviewperf10 x64 should only do one benchmark , not 4. after the benchmark is done you´ll see a browserwindow with your results. it would be great if you could post those numbers here.


@ JohnnyT

if you want to disable the driver signing in win 7 32 bit you have several options :

1. use the group policies http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/...gning-in-windows-7-using-group-policy-editor/

2. do it manually from the command line http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/disable-driver-signing-windows-7/

 

Shoko,

Sorry, haven't installed my Win7 yet, still trying to clean up before I do it... hot 300GB data to backup/copy/save/burn etc. so it is taking a while

I didn't notice any troubles with the XP64 driver you did that you described in a previous post.
Give me a week and I should test the Win7 x64 drivers for you maybe Matias will update us before than?

Anyway, keep up good work!!!

 

Unfortunately the have disk method does not work for me, as it never did, and didn't this time. "Windows determines that you already have the best driver for this device." It frustrates the crap out of me every time I try different drivers. And when I uninstall drivers, windows auto installs it back for me. Arghh.

EDIT: even better, windows has determined that generic VGA drivers are the latest drivers for my HD2600.

EDIT2: Finally, I realised I missed a step somewhere. The "let me pick my own drivers" part in the have disk method, how did I manage that?

EDIT3: Nope, CCC, etc wont install.

EDIT4: Downloading Specviewperf 10 now. Here is a screen show from SiS sandra, V5600 installed! (thumbnail)

 

Good to see the installation is working.

i could not wait for some results for win 7 x64, so i downloaded and installed a test version of win 7. installation was ok, but it seems the opengl acceleration for the x64 driver is not yet working. will have a look into that.

 

yay... it is working now... wohoo

have just had a short testrun of the 8.663.0 driver for win7 x64, and it is working. gonna try and see what was wrong with 8.663.3.
will post more later on

 

I just ran dthe 1280x1024 test twice and at the end no results showed up. No idea what is going on. Last time I did this was over a year ago. It looked like it was working though, I will try with single tests to see if results shows up then.

 

yay...

so the first results for the 8.634 driver for win7 x64 are in:

specviewperf 10 x64 run all tests

Run All Summary

Code:

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   36.40

---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
catia-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   31.40

---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
ensight-03 Weighted Geometric Mean =   20.56


---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
maya-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   89.42

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   27.38

---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   65.67

---------- SUM_RESULTS\TCVIS\SUMMARY.TXT
tcvis-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   18.55

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGNX\SUMMARY.TXT
ugnx-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   22.18

looks like the x64 driver is done concerning performance. a next step would be to sign the drivers, unless you guys really like to press f8 during every startup.

@JohnnyT
how about the performance of the win7 32 bit driver ? is the driver i sent you working as it should ?

 

I got most of it, missing the last one because I mis-clicked at one of those "run as admin prompts". Currently running it (yet) again. But here are what I got the first time round.

Code:

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   35.50

---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
catia-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   31.23

---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
ensight-03 Weighted Geometric Mean =   17.89


---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
maya-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   83.87

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   26.40

---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   56.94 <-might not be correct.

---------- SUM_RESULTS\TCVIS\SUMMARY.TXT
tcvis-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   15.01

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGNX\SUMMARY.TXT
ugnx-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   N/A

Config:
T8300 - 2.4GHz
3GB ram
500GB 5400rpm
Win7 Pro x86
V5600 (stock 500/600)

 

well that looks really good actually. the mod has worked out and there seems to be no problem with updating to windows 7 and having the firegl mod working.

i´m just considering to switch to Windows 7 before i´ll start my phd studies.

concerning the lower values that we have here compared to xp64 that might be of the opengl implementation of windows 7 and vista. soome people reported numbers of nearly 20% when it comes to a direct comparison of opengl in xp and vista/7.

// edit...

hmm... the implementation might not be the only reason. just in this moment i finished a testrun for the maya benchmark. i had adjusted the visual candy in win 7 to "adjust for best performance" and voila i have a result for the maya-benchmark that is close to the xp results. the result was 104.33.

guess i´ll do another run for the whole benchmark just to be sure...

//
another edit ... i guess i just have broken the 1000 posts barrier. Niceee.

so i guess i won´t start another post tonight, but to keep the magic 1000 for a while i´ll be updating this post for the rest of the night.

//
edit no.3
after disabling the visual candy the results look very promising

win 7 x64 driver version 8.634 with windows performance setting " adjust for best performance"
specviewper10 x64

Code:

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   37.71

---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
catia-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   32.87

---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
ensight-03 Weighted Geometric Mean =   24.76


---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
maya-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   104.32

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   31.47

---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   66.65

---------- SUM_RESULTS\TCVIS\SUMMARY.TXT
tcvis-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   20.63

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGNX\SUMMARY.TXT
ugnx-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   24.22

that really looks good now !!

 

I am probably running too much back ground stuff (and dual screening). haha

Code:

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   34.47

---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
catia-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   30.21

---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
ensight-03 Weighted Geometric Mean =   17.81


---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
maya-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   84.42

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   26.27

---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   60.14

---------- SUM_RESULTS\TCVIS\SUMMARY.TXT
tcvis-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   15.27

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGNX\SUMMARY.TXT
ugnx-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   19.43

I will probably play around with some settings tomorrow and see if there are any changes. And congrats on 1000 post. I haven't really post much this year compared to my first two years here, quite busy with studies myself. Too bad I haven't had much of a chance to put the GPU into use. At most I have been doing alot of 2D autoCAD this year. Thats about it really.

 

and so i give the 1000 away... but 1001 ain´t that bad either..

well, maybe... the windows 7 installation i have done is just out of the box, nothing installed. but i guess if you should turn off all the eye-candy your results will jump up around 20%.

i have never read a lot about the resource hog vista, and how much graphics power it actually consumes, but from what i see with the opengl benchmark it´s like 20% of my hd2600´s overall performance that is just gone for the nice look of the os...

 

Do you mean Aero thingy? Have you turned it off or switched to the most basic visual settings for Win?

Well done for getting this working!!!

 

dunno if aero is switched off now, but under performance settings i choose the setting " adjust for best performance". basicly my win7 does look like xp or even win2000, but it is nearly as fast as my old xp 64.

btw. uploading the driver now , will send you the link later on. now that the performance is there we should concentrate on getting the win7 x64 driver signed, so we don´t have to press f8 during every startup.
if someone else could have a look at that i´d be grateful, since i have other work to do now.

 

Well, it looks like the DSEO 1.3b is really working. Driver signing won´t be a problem anymore.

to have the 8.634 driver working without pressing f8 during every startup in win7 x64 or vista x64 you just have to download the nifty little tool(dseo 1.3b) from here :

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=dseo


before you start installing the driver you need to disable the driver signing in win 7. you have several options :

once you have disabled the driver signing you just need a few steps to get this driver working forever :

note that this procedure is necessary for vista / win 7 x64 bit only. the 32 bit drivers install and work after you have disabled the driversigning.

 

LOL

Great news and I just have found the way to get rid of the stupid watermark

http://deepxw.blogspot.com/2008/12/remove-watermark-v03-build-20081210.html

Hope it actually works

 

aye, it does.

i used method 1 , since they warned about using method 2 on windows 7 build7.600 or above.

simply started the tool, confirmed and waited till the patch was done ( about 1 minute) and after the restart the watermark was gone.

 

Looks like cool, you guys have any reasons to update from XP to 7? I don't know if all my softs are running on 7 so, i'm not sure to do that. Do HD2600 perfs on 7 equals or beat them on XP?

 

hi alexkid,

well, the reason for me not to upgrade from winxp64 was loosing performance nad not having the firegl modification for my notebook. i do a lot of 3d modelling and architectural viz, so maybe i could break it down to this simple formula -> the faster my system works, the more spare time i have

and after having installed my current os ( xp64) for about 2 years now i somehow felt the urge to test if the new win7 could be worth to replace my old xp64. and from what i have seen for now, (at least for the graphics card) speedwise it is an eligible candidate now.

well the performance of opengl might be around the same in win 7 x64 as it was in xp 64.

the first test i made indicated that opengl in win7 was a tad slower, but after turning off all the eyecandy ( basicly win7 now looks a bit like winxp) the results of both xp64 and win 7 x64 were very close. am still waiting for other people to test this so we can back this statement up.

For now it is only my fresh install of win7 x64 ( and JohnnyT´s win7 32bit) that was ( were) tested.

if you´d like to join in you are welcome.

 

I upgraded to Win7 because it was free (via university), if I had to pay full price I wouldn't have upgraded. It's nice too use but not crucial really.

As for performance the W7/Vista drivers for the HD2600 is actually better than XP drivers, for the V5600 it appears that it has similar performance in W7 as XP with some visual features disabled.

 

Why not, but i'm running on 32 bit for softs compatiblity... Why are you using x64, really much better than x32? or other... I would like to test your modified drivers on XP before trying 7... I've installed a modified like you explained with script and riva tuner but i'm don't think it's working. Specperfview results confirmed me that so!

 

because i definitly need more than 3 GB of ram...

hmm, haven´t done the xp32 bit for quite a while. made those scripts like 2 years ago for guru3d.
since then i mainly check if i can still do this trick to newer drivers. mostly like the ones i could need.

the latest drivers i have modded were
xp64 8.634
win7 32bit 8.634
win7 x64 8.634

you see i have missed to work on the xp 32 bit. i could do that for xp 32 also, but i guess i will not upload the whole driver for you then. i could upload you the files that i altered and you would have to download the whole driver from ati and replace the files.

 

Oh yeah I forgot to ask this before. Does this mean it will be possible to mod drivers for new ATI GPUs such as the HD3650 (V5700)?

 

Definitely !

this trick is possible for older cards and newer cards , you name it.
the 3xxx series is possible now, and so is the 4xxx series. it should basicly be possible to do this for the 5xxx series also as soon as it is available.

for the 5xxx series it is a bit tricky, since there is no firegl equivalent yet, and there are only installation routines ( in the drivers *.inf) for the firegl cards available now. but with some "force" even that will be possible without a firegl equivalent.

 

Yeah, thank you Schoko im' currently with 8.634 on xp!
Johnny, which differences between V5600 and V5700? Real progress or rename of ATI?
My university doesn't offer windows 7! lucky you...

 

Interesting. Considering there are more and more ATI cards on the market now this will be pretty good if others will take up the modding duty for their respective notebooks. Like Thinkpad T series for example and many other consumer notebooks.

The V5600 is HD2600 based where as the V5700 is HD3650 based. And the HD3650 is a die shrink of the HD2600, with a higher clock speed. Really it's not all that much faster. The HD4650 is much faster but the notebook FireGL counterpart have not been realised yet. That should be fairly soon, I can see the Thinkpad W510 having one of those.

 

@ JohhnyT
you did just beat me by a minute...

my answer would be the same
firegl v5700 is based on hd 36x0and that one is basicly just a die-shrink of the hd2600 ( firegl v5600), so it´s not that much faster.

 

so you are already on 8.634 ? you already have had a look into this kind of driver patching ?

do you suggest some kind of modding training for users with notebooks of different vendors ?
might be interesting if it would work. this might not only include the radeon to firegl mod.

if those users could include a vendor specific mobility mod for the drivers that would probably help a lot of people here trying to get the latest driver for their notebooks. most of the users here don´t know how to make a desktop driver usable for a specific mobility card, and thus they have to wait till someone helps them out, or amd ( or the notebookvendors) decide to release a mobility driver.

 

I've used the patchscript and followed the process you said on GURU 3D long time ago. After i don't think if it works... I'm newb in all this stuffs! Downloading last driver on AMD website 8.663.3 ...

Thanks you guys for answering and sorry for my eng, i hope you understand me.

 

once you are done with downloading the driver could you upload the ati2mtag.sy_ and the drivers *.inf ?

( i think the inf file should be named something like cx_ thensomenumbers.inf)

once you did send me the download-link and i will have a look into that. it could take an hour or somthing like that, since i´ll have to update the patchscript with the numbers i find in the driver. thus i can use the patch if other would want it too.

btw. was your guru3d name virtualex or something like that ??

 

Possibly, perhaps you can copy your guide from Guru 3D to NBR? The gaming/graphics section would be a good place to put that. Don't know about the demand of users though.

Neither myself or schoko are native English speakers either I believe. And about W7, I got it via my university's "MSDNAA" program, you university might have it to, but it is department specific. It is an international thing.

 

i could do that. probably not right now, but once i am done with my diploma about 2 weeks i can make a guide for patching the drivers for xp, vista and win7 along with the driver enforcement procedures for vista x64 and win 7 x64.

That is so true !!

to say it with some other guys words : isch bin ein berliner ... ( not really a berliner, but who cares )

btw. where are your roots Johnny ? i think i can remember your sig said Hong Kong once ?

 

By the way how can i send you my files by PM i don't find the way to... ( I'm not a blond hair girl) So here's the files' links

Ati2mtag.sy : http://www.mediafire.com/?zzznzdnznzk

CX.Inf : http://www.mediafire.com/?qyztzymm2nv

 

don´t think there is an option for sending files in pm´s, but i might be wrong...

so how about your graphics card ? is it a hd2600 mobility in a hp8510p, or do you have another card, maybe even desktop ?

if it is another card, please post the device id of the card here. you can find it at by right clicking to your desktop ->settings->advanced-> adapter there should be the name of your graphics card an the device id starting with 0x( and the four digits)

the graphics cards name and that device id i would need to know.

 

No it's for my old but strong 8510p... so HD2600 mobility

PS : i don't even see how to send PM. Not a story of 5 replies post, or like this?

 

this should do it. replace the old files with these:

http://www.mediafire.com/?noyyz2n2yjz

use the have disk method to install the driver first, after that you can install the rest( ccc,hydra,hdmi).
the card will install as firegl v5600.
if i made a mistake with updating the patchscript ( performance is not as it should be...) please let me know, i would take another look at this.

btw. pm´s work once you have more than 5 posts. usually it take up to a few hours for the system to update your new user rights. once your profile has new user rights you will have to log in again and pm´s are working.

 

@Guide part, that would be great! No rush of course.

And yeah I am from Hong Kong. "isch bin ein berliner" hahaha...Tony Blair said it wasn't it?

 

not exactly....

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/berliner.htm

 

Waouh, just tested your modified driver and doesn't work!!!
I made it, rebooted my pc, then bootscreen is OK and when i'm on my login session black screen, i only show my mouse cursor! So i thought to a bug, then retried twice, always same thing!

What's could be wrong? Curious, i'll try again later, i need my computer to work in this time so...

 

hmm, dunno what might be the problem, i thought i did it right. well obviously i have not. haven´t looked into the xp 32 bit drivers for a while. since i don´t have a system to test here i´m flying blind so to speak.

it´s as late here as it is in france (00:40) , and i guess i´ll take another look at that driver tomorrow.

 

Schoco , do I un install all the ati drivers cc panel then install drivers the old way , have disk method , then install cc panel ?
Ill give it a try tomorrow. win 7 ult 64

thanks .

 

you will have to uninstall the ati software(ccc..) the driver simply can be updated via the "have disk" method.
after you have installed the driver and "signed" your driver as i described you can install the ati software like the control panel, hydra and hdmi again.

for the driver installation procedure and driver enforcement please follow the steps described here : http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5696771&postcount=422

 

@ alexkid

i had another look into the driver, and of course i could not work. i had 2 bugs in the patched ati2mtag.sys i sent you yesterday. guess my brain already had gone to bed when i tried to mod the driver.

here is a new one that should work for xp32 :

http://www.mediafire.com/?iyznzmjz2et

delete all other instances of the ati2mtag.sys or ati2mtag.sy_ and copy this one to the correct location. afterwards you can install the driver via "have disk"